What's your opinion?

It does make sense, Hindu mythology is pretty metal.

India was a huge fucking deal though and probably the most important colony.

>just slap some gears on it
Remove yourself

At that point steampunk is just an aesthetic.

Rub some bacon on it.

Well no shit, mate.

He's right you know. It's by far the laziest aesthetic.

MaRo really seems to do all he can to make the game as vanilla and shit as possible.

It always was.

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Well I guess it's time to drop out of standard forever and only buy shit for commander/legacy.
I could take mythic rarity.
I could take mythic rares becoming 4x staples despite they claiming they wouldn't go that way
I could take commons becoming filler and skill-testers while every good effect went to rare
I could even take the 2 set shit and the lower ammount of cards sporting mechanics I liked
But all of that AND having 20% of every block's design space, flavor and art taken over by at least one of the worst 5 characters they have?

Fuck you MaRo, fuck you WotC, fuck you Hasbro.

You can never trust a man that hates Storm.

gears, brass, pipes, top hats and corsets.

That's all it is.

Well, yeah, but only because America did the tea thing.

It's a sound marketing decision.
Kids will eat it.
Competitive players don't give fuck about flavor either way, so nothing of the value lost for them.
And the old nerds are in so deep the sunken cost alone will keep them from quitting.

Also back in the day Urza was one of the worst oldwalkers and I don't recall anybody complain about sets designed around him. Oh wait, maybe that's because back then I didn't visit Veeky Forums.

>more "oh" elf
>more "muh fire solves everything" aka not!jaya
>more "i'm indestructible just when the plot wants to"
>more FUCKING JACE

Just kill me already.

Oh.

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>Gothic Horror in a japan-based culture

They've got experience with Gothic horror. I think they can do it justice.

If you're drawing art for a company that's this fucking important, why the fuck are you tracing?

I've always thought this was cool as fuck, but it rustles peoples jimmies for some reason

Besides Steampunk settings often veer into orient.

Also there is a book by a bit less known French author Jules Verne called Tribulations of Chinaman in China and bunch of others stuff involving Asian and Orient settings without too many actual western characters.

It doesn't take much to twist something fromnactual 19th century into steampunk setting. Knowing the fanbase it would probably be impossible to get around the casual rascism of orientalism or heaven forbid use it as a flavor.

Which part? The existence of white (albino) niggers? Rap music? Tracing?

Is albino nigger a reference to mtg lore or her in real life? I don't mind either way

I really like rap music.

The tracing thing is a bit of a stretch. The artist incorporated a face into his art. No drama with that. I'm sure you could find other examples. Interesting face is interesting.

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It's not a troll just because you disagree with it. I'm not even trying to change peoples opinion. I just like the image and art direction.

I thought tracing was pretty common among artists?

Is that Gérard Depardieu on the right ?

Jean Reno, if that's who you mean.
youtube.com/watch?v=K8L34rvLOxY

The only one of the five who isn't utter cancer is Liliana and that's because she's too much of an egocentric bitch to insert herself in whatever the plane's bullshit is, she just comes fucks things up, has a laugh and leaves.

Gérard Depardieu is more rotund. Not Steven Seagal -tier rotund, but still.

>Japan has ghosts who look like mutilated, emaciated ghosts
No, not ghosts that look like ghosts!

Bloodborne is more cosmic than gothic.
So is Innistrad right now, which sucks.

ISD was awesome because it had a lot of people living in absolute panic of things they had never experienced first hand, they could see the consequences of geists, ghouls, vampires and werewolves all around, and in DKA the darkness got a bit too close. But it was still at bay enough for paranoia to be the main feeling rather than the outright survival instinct kill everthing angry mobs everywhere inquisition nao shit of ISD.

Liliana is not part of Jacetice League (not yet anyway). It is up to debate whether she becomes Black Ranger or Sorin does. The strong argument for her is that she was always consistently monoblack, he wasn't.

Steampunk is defined as "the world but with steam instead of other fueled sources." What the poster is bitching about is how they didn't do Victorian Steampunk. That they think Victorian Steampunk is the be all end all of steampunk makes about as much sense as saying revolvers are only used in Wild West settings.

The bigger issue for me is that the artist is being lazy and just tracing a picture instead of actually drawing shit (and probably got paid the same as someone who had to go through the process of creating art from scratch).

IIRC this is actual technique practed by a number of artists. Typically for concept art, but obviously not always just that. I forget the name (something bashing?) but you basically google a bunch of shit, then draw over it until you have something original.

As a concept, it's fine. Taking from so many things that it becomes original is fine too. That means you're going through a thought process of what works or doesn't work. Effort is applied. Tracing is just blatant theft of pictures.

photobashing is disjointed as fuck, but digital tools mean people rarely care anymore with proper studies and shit

>Bloodborne is more cosmic than gothic.

Only post Rom. For most of the game it's legit gothic beast hunting. The ayys don't even show up until forest, halfway through, and you don't know they're ayys until much later.

Well Rom if the 4/5th bosss of 22 and I started suspecting cthulhushit ass soon as the shadows of yharnam sprouted face tentacles.

Cosmic horror is a brand of Gothic horror. Lovecraft and Poe are birds of a feather.

American's were just a bunch of tobacconiggers at the time.

Steampunk used to be a far more tightly defined genre, but these days it's become more of an aesthetic than anything else. It would make more sense these days to differentiate between "traditional/classic steampunk" and "the steampunk aesthetic" rather than continuing to try to use the term "steampunk" to apply to both.

Yolandi visser is fucking gross and that makes me hate Nissa even more

Genres can be defined by ascetics, or time periods, or character tropes, or whatever, and there are no rules for how broad or narrow a genre can be.

If it has awesome machines that never existed but could have and it also has victorian-tier class disparity (India DEFINITELY counts) then you can call it steampunk. That's the genre. Or if it just looks steampunkey you can call it steampunk as an ascetic and that's fine too.

In either case if you are pedantic or exclusive in defining genres then you are being nonsensical. All any genre REALLY is is a collection of tropes, we invent definitions after the fact to try to tie the tropes together but it's just a pastime.

>nongenre

Shut up you twat,

Ascetic=living with the bare minimum, usually for religious reasons, think Tibetan monk

Aesthetic=a specific style or more generally art appreciation

Oh, I understand the mistake but that doesn't stop me from making it, thanks for catching me.

At least I've never ever mixed up rogue and rouge.

>WAAAAH MY FICTIONAL THING CAN ONLY BE ONE THING FOREVER AND IF YOU CHANGE IT IT'S BAD WAAAAAH!

Shut up. The term Steampunk doesn't even describe the actual genre nowadays since it's drifted so far from its roots. It's this kind of attitude that's killing fantasy too.

Steampunk is fine for that.

Just don't mistake it for Victorian Science-Fiction.

You know? I think his actual concern is that he wants a steampunk setting that is THE STEAMPUNK SETTING, 100% steampunk with all the tropes and trimmings, but given the same love and creativity as all the other (main block) MTG settings.

Instead they're more prone to use steampunk as a spice and adding it to many of their settings, so that some worlds are more steampunkey and some are less. I think Kaladesh sounds like a good meat-and-potatoes steampunk setting, but it IS a spin on steampunk, it at least makes token efforts at feeling new and different. Which I love as a fan of worldbuilding but if I were just a big fan of classic steampunk I would probably hate it.

That's not quite right, what am I trying to say. . .

Mirrodin is a "robot world" setting. There are a lot of campy ways they could have done this, and instead they poured a lot of imagination into it and made something that's alien and cool and uniquely MTG.

Now think of Zendikar as a D&D/adventureworld setting. It could have been afraid of being campy and tried hard to feel fresh, instead they poured a lot of imagination into the idea of Adventurers Getting Into Trouble and turned it up to 11 and made something that's been done before but is done so awesomely that you don't care.

Some people want Mirrodin treatment of Steampunk, this guy wants Zendikar treatment of steampunk. Does that make any sense or am I babbling?

The only good thing steam punk brings is corsets.
and fuck Gothic horror too

>"""""real""""" steampunk
Uh huh.

Agreed, I'd like a setting where Lady Mechanica or Howl's Moving Castle don't seem out of place. Instead we get designated shitting streed with airships.

Kinda like how SOI is Bloodborne with an Innistrad paintover and a hysteric chalky bitch ruining everything, instead of actual Innistrad.

Well said, I'll remember that one.

I hate it when people say "real X" and all they mean is "the kind of X that I like". It's inane and inarticulate.

It's "all you hear", not "all they mean".

Any statement can be boiled down to "you just like/dislike X".

Usually there's a difference between what a statement basically boils down to, and what it actually means.

Steampunk was a mistake

SOI went full-on Domains of Dread, though, with Avacyn becoming a Darklord. The Eldrazi are only tangentially related through Nahiri.

Paranoia now exists EVEN MORE exactly because of SOI. If you can't even trust an archangel, how the fuck can you deal with what's happening?

I'd argue it's not paranoia when the danger is real and in your face ready to burn your shit.

I said what I meant to say. I hate it when people say "real X" and all they mean is "the kind of X that I like". It is inane and inarticulate when people do that.

Sometimes the word "real" has some potential literal meaning that isn't bullshit in this context, and those aren't the times I'm talking about. "Real sugar" means it isn't a 0-calory sweetener and depending on the context it usually means cane sugar. "Real money" doesn't mean a specific sum but it means "lots of money".

"Real steampunk" only makes sense as a semantic argument- the "realness" is semantic correctness. Except that he didn't actually MAKE a semantic argument, they never do, they use the "real" qualifier in PLACE of making a semantic argument, and in doing so they tell the reader nothing.

From the context, I infer that his "real steampunk" includes Victorian western steampunk with those particular trappings, and more broadly I think he means steampunk without a spin on it, steampunk turned up to 11, etc. But only from context. Without context, if someone spits some dumb shit like "real steampunk", it could mean anything. It could mean steampunk that emphasizes retrofuturism, it could mean steampunk that emphasizes commentaries on wealth, it could mean dark steampunk or heroic steampunk, it could mean that the "steampunk" comes from the themes and not the aesthetic, it could be talking specifically about the aesthetic but with strong opinions about which aesthetics are REALLY steampunk, it could mean steampunk that isn't about gears, it could mean steampunk that has sufficient gears, it could mean anything. All he has told me with that word alone is that there is some steampunk he regards higher than others, and the only reason I know THAT is because I've seen so many people misuse the word in the same way.

nix the tophats and youve got steampunk.

I take it that they never heard of Sakura Wars.
Take out the demons and magic and you have a perfect steampunk setting.
Hell, the movie even has the all-powerful evil omni-corp trying to run everything.

>I said what I meant to say.
Then you meant to lie. You hate it when people say "real X" because all you hear is "the kind of X I like". The fact that your willingness to understand their point of view ends there doesn't mean their actual claims end there.

Not every statement can be boiled down to "you like/dislike X". That was bologna. But, every judgment of a third party's statements CAN be boiled down to "You didn't understand them!", and that's all you're doing.

This is a semantic argument, about the word "real" and its proper use. I might have implied it already, but I enjoy semantic arguments when someone has an actual argument, and have no patience for when people challenge my semantics and have no argument. You didn't have an argument the first time, I gave a lengthy explanation of my claims so you would have better grounds for one, and now you still have no argument. So, congratulations, you win, goodnight.

youtube.com/watch?v=TFCuE5rHbPA

>Yolandi visser is fucking gross
That's her whole point. It's not about being pretty but going to the extreme and push boundaries. That's what makes her hot to me.

When she does "normal" she looks pretty decent.

>and fuck gothic horror too

REEEEEEEEEEEE

The creature side of flip Nissa is my waifu.

Took you people long enough. This needs to be posted as soon as steampunk discussion comes up.

He's talking progressive shit. Indian steampunk and Japanese horror (especially) are both cool, but they're not the same as classical steampunk or gothic horror.

If they were simply better, there would be no Innistrad. "Putting our spin" on horror didn't totally change it.

Japanese horror isn't the same, like how The Ring and The Grudge aren't the same setting as Dracula and Frankenstein's Monster.

That said, I don't like steampunk so I'm happy it's skipped. I'd rather see a Japanese horror setting (Return to Kamigawa?) and a non-steampunk Victorian plane as well as Innistrad than a true steampunk world.

fucking excellent series, just replayed em all and finished 4

Gothic horror corsets > steampunk corsets

Yeah, among Andrew Dobson tier hacks

oh abaddon-chan

I bet you're one of those faggots that actually likes eldrazi

>At least I've never ever mixed up rogue and rouge.

>He can't even write "rouge and rogue" correctly

People don't really go with the class disparity thing though. Everyone's a scientist or noble adventurer or whatever. Nobody talks about the child laborers collecting the coal for all the steam powered machinery. There's no punk in steampunk when everyone is The Man

>Part of inventing worlds is putting our spin on them.

He's not wrong.

>not wrong

1. If worlds are plagiarised, then "spun," they're not "invented," and that invites precisely OP's sort of question.

2. If your plagiarism is subtle, but your "spin" still sucks, it invites precisely OP's sort of question.

3. It's wrong to publish solicited questions without answering them.