Infinity General: PH14 Edition

>I just hope they create a EI controll sectorial which accompanies the alien species as counterweight and threat to assure everything runs smoothly and as planned.
I think at that point it's just Combined Army as a whole.

Well, Yu Jing also has this..don't they?

They have the disliked japanese...and then they are bringing out that imperial guard/Immortal sectorial.

Or PanO with the Neo Terrans.

Would just like to have an equivalent sectorial that puts the EI more into focus in comparison to the big structure that is standard Combined Army.

You do have a point though.

Avatar doesn't fit in onyx fist contact at all. It's the vanguard, the first wave, the testing force.

Avatar is brought in as a symbol of absolution. It is the end all be all. Once the EI itself has to actually LOOK at a battle, that battle is destined to be the shit of legends.

A comparison would be... You don't send main battle tanks on a scouting mission, or James Bond to see if a town is full of nice people or cockney shitters. You send James bond to blow up death lasers and bone the hottest bitches.

But I too hope for an EI themed army, with unique and high end models. No choads, all elite, 6 order lists. Fuck steel phalanx, I wanna see the ultimate in alien booty hunters.

Exactly, wouldnt mind some robottic chaff.

Probably Alephs is going that route soon too.

All about post humans and other fun stuff.

I would love to keep all of them, but it doesn't make sense to when no one within 30 miles plays it in addition to playing two different wargames because of my friends/family.

That's not bad. I get 3 different play styles. Just sucks because I enjoyed playing my Nomads (was undefeated among the 5 peeps I played against with them). Nomads really are the rule of cool.

At least with Haqq I get the dirty tricks AND biotech!

>New Djanbazan when?

What do we know about the Earth Bastion Army?

I think I've heard of that before. Is it a PanO thing or a new faction thing?

They weren't able to defeat the fire kingdom, thats for sure.

I reckon keeping Mnemonica out of Onyx was a good call. Otherwise you'd just see an overwatched link team sitting pretty while the big guy kamikazis everything.

Can you get your family and friends to play it with you?

That's the thing. They used too. Then one friend decided it would be fun to convert my cousin to 40k.

The problem with having a Aspect sectorial is what would you make the link team?

If the answer is nothing, then just play vanilla.

I also never think there should be multiple avatars in a game. It just doesn't make sense for the EI to waste that many resources in one area.

Sounds like the end of a friendship to me lol.

40k is awful.

Only the table top

I still enjoy the Lore and vidya

I will be playing it if it gets models. Anything to play as Earth in any game where Earth hasn't been destroyed.

I found a solution to my empty bike problem.
The solution was Dat Ass.
(I got a Lizard pilot and will pose her on the bike)

I will show pics when I manage to make this work.

What is the deal with earth anyway? Neoterra is the capital right? Earth is just mostly abandoned now?

So they say. That doesn't make too much sense though, if it hasn't been toasted.

People don't just up and abandon their ancestral home. Ask the people living at the base of Mount Vesuvius what they'll do if it erupts, and you'll get an idea of why Infinity's lack of a populated Earth doesn't work.

It's kind of a backwater now. It's not an industrial nor technological powerhouse, it's kind of just there. PanOceania controls most of it. Yu Jing still controls all of Asia. I think Haqqislam has parts of the middle east. It's considered rather unimportant though.

Neoterra is just the seat of Pan O power.

Earth is treated more like a shared heritage site. Pan O and Yu Jing still claim territory there and there still are individual nation states. It's just the assets important on an interstellar scale have since moved on.

Of course they do. People move to cities from backwater towns and villages all the time. Old people stay behind and thus communities become ghost towns.
There probably is some data about the number of people left in Europe after the Colonies were established.

Its kinda like humanity started in Africa, but that's not the center of global politics and commerce anymore.

There is large portions of Earth that are not in the control of Pan-O, YJ or Haqq.

Whatever the North America, Russia, Africa, areas became, and Haqq does not control the middle east, that is still dominated by traditional Islam, thus the necessity of finding a new home.

Sounds like a great idea.

Magarhiba pilot might work too, and she's hotter IMO.

I don't dislike the lore, but I think I outgrew it at some point.

It just takes itself too seriously. Tried reading the most recent HH anthology and couldn't get through most of the short stories.

Weren't the US and Russia bought by Pan-O like Europe?

Order of the Sepulcher is based on Earth.

Would be rad to get a link team of them (Achilles and Patroclus shows HP links can be done).

NASA was bought by Haqq, but I don't remember reading anything about the country.

Europe definitely joined, but I don't see American's or Russians being cool taking orders from Indian/Chilean/Australians.

Yeah it's been done with a Kum Bike. I'm sure she'll fit on the aleph one.

I put the Maghariba Pilot on an Aragoto bike which fits prett well

At least North America is a ruined wasteland. It was destroyed during the Nanotech Wars, and is ravaged by storms of uncontrollable nanomachines.

I thought about her, but there was none at the store. If she was I'd probably either take her or flip a coin.

Where did you find that lore?

>all of asia
I think you mean East Asia. PanO has India and parts of Southeast Asia, while Haqq managed to get some muslim countries.

We don't really know the specifics. I doubt South Americans would be fine with a horde of all-consuming deathbots hanging out a stone's throw away from them, and they'd have decades to find a solution.

Things change, especially when your economy is dying. It wasn't too long ago that Europeans would balk at the idea of taking orders from each other.

I've been thinking of getting into this... but....

they really should think about trying to make it a bit more accessible for new starters. Army books might help a bit... but their web-page really sucks and the print rulebooks are engaged in a battle with GW to see who can make us pay more.

Rulebook's pretty shit. Anyone near you who plays? It's far easier to learn during a game.

Yeah... but I'd like to have a book. It's just a shame that to get the main book and the extra army lists I'd have to drop over $130 (local equiv).

Just get the PDFs

I am a new player as well. There do seem to be a lot of rules to absorb, but the core mechanics are actually pretty simple. Its just the rules are different from most standard games of the type. So on the surface the game looks completely alien.

I watched a few videos and did a quick demo of 1 turn and I actually feel pretty confident about 95% of the rules now to play without difficulty.

I agree with the other user, get a practice game in an watch a few batreps and you should get the hang of it quickly.

The rules are free, the starter kits are great, you can play with very few figures, and they've got fantastic online support, including an official army builder and very up to date wiki.

Ever considered just using a tablet or smartphone were you play?
>get the extra army lists
Remember you can get all the PDF's for free online. Worse case scenario, print off the important pages yourself, or borrow the store copy.

It's probably in the basic rulebook, printed version. It was also briefly mentioned in RPG intro chapter.

I guess the RPG will give us more detail about Earth. The samples we've got go down to climatology and individual populations on planet.

What we know is that Earth has huge symbolic value and controlled by religious institutions and EU and also has smaller banana states as far as I understand it.

Well, until CA wreck it in Campaign: Earth.

>until CA wreck it
That sounds like quitter talk

Even if they didn't like it, it would be hard to compete with bigger empires like PanO. I would also find it hard to believe they didn't just get conquered/annexed at some point. I imagine that if the countries like the US or Russia are incorporated by one of the bigger powers, the populace would have immigrated to Dawn.

Stop being right....

Its pretty different from GW because once you get the main books you don't need any army specific books.

Not to mention all the rules are free.

Also, I recommend watching these.
youtube.com/watch?v=Ogtjm7UspSQ

Its really nice that 90% of the rules are shared by all factions. People don't have a special rule for every unit like WM or 40k.

The book is $60 on MM. It is optional. So if its not worth the price don't get it? GW main book plus dex are wayyyy worse.

miniaturemarket.com/cvb289503.html

That's the original plan of Infinity metaplot with its three phases. Current HS, CA triumphant, humanity kicks back. It's unclear whether they fill follow it, as if, say, PanO folded, many models would become invalidated.

But that's what I do with my Sphinx...

It would be way worse with an Avatar though.

I feel like they need to bring the CA WAY down in power.

My theory is that they will capture the Tzechi, but it will fuck up the EIs programming destroying the empire. So the Paradiso EI is now isolated and on an even footing with the other factions.

I am a beginner anyway, I would just like a big buff avatar as my LT and as he also has the strategos trait...

He would not get killed that easily.

Is all the fluff in the current book? I would you have to buy all of them.

From Mayacast:

June Releases
- Wu Ming box of 4
- Foxtrot Ranger
- Stingrays
- Kaauri Sentinels Blister with 2 miniatures
- Achilles v2 regular release single blister (sword/multirifle)

Bostria is currently filming the next BoW Infinity vids for Gencon

Doesn't matter if models are invalidated. Because the CA is invading Neoterra and Earth for example, doesn't mean all those units can't be fielded as a resistance, or as units constantly on the back foot but fighting.

Or then again, you can just XCOM2 this.

>Stingrays
Wait, the SOTA O-12 TAG? Goddamn.

Huh, nothing for either PanO, Nomads or Haqqislam? It's been a while.
Curious about Stingrays.

>nothing for either PanO
The Stingrays (Uhlan and Tikbalangs) are PanO TAGs

Huh, is that why they're selling them together?
Gotta say I am still not happy about having to get both if I only want one. They're not Geckos, you wouldn't be able to run both; they're not even in the same sectoral.

Is the Anaconda bootywaifu to modern scale?

Geckos were a test to see how people would react to a 2-TAG box for the Stingrays. They were always intended to be sold together. If you only want one I suggest splitting the box with someone.

I only wanted to Uhlan, but the Tikbalang looks really good, so I'm not upset at all.

Do we have imaging on the Uhlan and Tikbalang? I must be out of the loop.

...

Unfortunately this is the only Tikbalang shot we have

Those both look pretty good. One question.

Why does the Uhlan have the Marathon symbol on the shoulder?

Man that Uhlan looks amazing

more importantly, why is the floor exploding with robot arms?

Because it'll be the 7th TAG sculpt released for PanO.

Those look fantastic.

Worth getting Vanilla Pan O for?

I just ordered the Onyx box and I am new to the game but I played a few demos. Anything I should expect? Any sort of insights?

It's got the Uhlan logo. So, either the casing of some sort of drop-pod or deployment system, or like a dynamic anime supa robot launch platform.

Either case, it's just basing. You probably can pose the Uhlan just fine on other stuff.

Expect to see a few tactics you find as surprising or powerful, then to learn how to counter and position.

The game's back-and-forth is much more nuanced than 'X can destroy Y unit best', so you may have to learn stuff like how to counter TAGs, Camo Spam, Minefields, Smoke, Reaction Drones, Sniper overwatch, Fireteams, etc... all that can be countered by tactics as well as by model selection.

Deployment is very important. You want to cover angles in such a way that you will get ARO at advantageous ranges.

Always bring some way to contest opponents advance. TO snipers, linked missiles and minelayers are best.

>Geckos were a test to see how people would react to a 2-TAG box for the Stingrays. They were always intended to be sold together.
It's still kinda dumb. Geckos are stupidly cheap and they basically invented Fireteam: Duo with them in mind, they were always meant to be played together; I'd be surprised if a Gecko pilot blister is not two models.

But Uhlan and Tikbalangs are completely different things and the amount of tactical debris is pushing out their silhouette anyway, so it's not like each isn't big enough to fill a box by itself. And each of them is almost twice the cost of a single Gecko by itself.

I'll probably won't be getting any of them. Uhlan is mediocre-looking (hate the Forge-World amount of ruins) and Tikbalang is not that impressive stat-wise. And I already have Geckos if I wanted to proxy them.

Well then, I stand corrected.
Since I'm not a fan of the Auxilia I'd probably replace the sergeant with something cheaper and go for Pathfinders. But I think 10 orders for two TAGs and no links might be a bit low.

Only logical explanation I can find for them being together is that uhlans were a cavalry unit and Tikbalang is some kind of demonic horse.

I'm determined to make a list with the Guijia, Hac Tao, Rui Shi, and a Tiger Soldier; those are my favourite things in vanilla YJ.
How's this?

GROUP 1 10
GŪIJIĂ MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / AP CCW. (2 | 88)
GŪIJIĂ PILOT Pistol, Knife. (0)
HAC TAO Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 70)
RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
ZHANSHI Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
ZHANSHI (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
ZHANSHI Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
Zhanshi YĪSHĒNG Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
MECH-ENGINEER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)

GROUP 21
TIGER SOLDIER Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)

5 SWC | 298 Points

>Uhlan and Tikbalangs are completely different things
They're the same TAG series. Also SKUs or someshit.

Also it's really not that much ruins. It's still small enough to fit a 40mm base with maybe a little extra that floats off the base. I would have liked a less dramatic pose (something like the original artwork), but I don't mind the little extra.

>Tikbalang is not that impressive stat-wise
BS15, ARM/BTS 6, HMG/HFT, Mines, Mimetism, Climbing+. The Tikbalang is really solid for 85pts. I don't know where you're getting that impression from.

>They're the same TAG series. Also SKUs or someshit.

Well, technically Jotums, Squalos and Dragoes are all on the same body and Peacemakers and Bulleteers are both Armbot series. But I don't see those sold together. That's a shitty excuse.

Tikbalang is good enough, but it still competes for a spot with better things, unless you play ASA. But I'm not really a fan of TAGs; if there's any I would play it's the Geckos, because I like them for being small and Jotum, because it's so big and blunt.

Why you even complain, if you don't play TAGs?

Because I would consider one, but not both.

Tiger Soldier is Order hungry, swap it with a Zhanshi at least, as they aren't even linked.

To me it looks like it's missing at least one more powerful specialist, like a guilang or ninja hacker, but I guess you can try with it.

I think the idea with the Tiger is to drop it on turn 2 once something has died and command token it to the main group.

Yeah, this is correct; that's 100% my intent.
What changes would you make to fit those options in?

Well, both Armbots are a box of 2 minis, and all all S7 TAGs comes in their own box kit. So far all S6 TAGs of the same type are packaged together - Geckos, Xeodron, and now the Stingray Series. Your same argument could be said for all of the vanilla starter sets.

The only official reason I can give you is that they were always intended to be sold together, because that's what they said. If you don't like one or the other, you can split a box with someone who want's the other (cho is a good source for box splits), or just dont get it

So are Adriana wolf men even good? Most Adriana armies I face employ mostly just infantry and spec ops while I get cheeki breekied by some spetnaz

Think of a size six warband smoke dodging on 19s who needs two direct hits from anything but viral to go unconscious. He can jump six inches up buildings and chain rifle two different directions at once, and also gets regular grenades. I'm legit glad I don't see more of these fucking things.

So, I might start a small one list ALEPH army since I have been sitting on this achilles v2 and have done nothing with it. any one have a list idea?

What exactly is the Evolved Intelligence? Is it an alien Artificial Intelligence or a brain in a jar on some far off world? Or something weirder?

Looking into getting a faction and the evil Ayy Lmaos look like they can get right up into people's faces and savage them, which is nice.

Is that true?

What about the Devil Dog version? Does having the extra Pup help at all?

Its an Ayy LMAO artificial intelligence. the new evil looking AyyLMAOs are good in CC, though i killed one with a Makaul. cC is only good against troops that are bad at it, or troops that are more expens

What about short range firefights? Like shotguns and such.

YES.

They are awesome. Personal favorite is Duroc, but every one is a good choice, I would take 1-2 in Vanilla or Sectorial every time.

I love running Wallace, FT of 45th and 4 wolves (with Mac).