Looking on DRPG for any good systems on the market

>gamergate loser
that could be everyone involved it that mess, though.

The author literally came to Veeky Forums to declare that it's all a joke.

He got spammed by literal Nazis and left.

ITT, autists don't realize Diversity Dungeons is satire. It's pretty clear if you read it. Look up the author if you don't believe me.

The front cover is a fucking dig at safe spaces. I refuse to believe that people take this seriously.

>James Desborough
Veeky Forums can't *possibly* actually believe that Desborough is some kind of upstanding beacon of SJWry, right?

Like, the fucking RPG.net hugbox haet Desborough.

I'm honestly surprised Veeky Forums isn't championing him and his writing as the hero that tabletop needs, though.

Poe's law is a pain, ain't it?

I've read through it and the stuff it suggests isn't very good. It bases everything on statistical averages which misses the point that adventurers are exceptional individuals.

Also this is a fantasy game we play to escape reality. Don't bring reality into it please.

What RPGs really need isn't diversity, or "safe spaces," but inclusivity.

It usually comes down to fa/tg/uys complaining about the inability to have certain themes in their campaign, but the questions I would have to ask are:
>Are these themes relevant to the gameplay?
>Are these themes relevant to the narrative?
>Is this the kind of campaign your players want to play?

Remember that role-playing is a a dialog rather than a lecture. If your players aren't having fun, you probably won't either.

>the questions I would have to ask are

And the answer is always "it depends on the group". The problem is when some person from one group looks at the way another group is playing, shouts "that's not right!" and demands they play their own personal game of make-believe in a way that suits a non-participating observer.

I get that, but from my experience and the experiences of those I've spoken to that's kind of rare. More common is people inserting torture/rape of player characters for the sake of "grittiness" or "realism"

Player characters are often avatars of the players themselves, unless the player is an experienced roleplayer or totally detached from the narrative (roll playing). Putting them through that kind of thing is naturally going to make them uncomfortable.

HAHA HE COPIED MY POEM

Protip - If you see the word 'Diversity' just walk away

*teleports behind you*
*walks away*

>Not rolling for teleportation miscast
Rocks fall, everyone dies., filthy cheater.

>I'm honestly surprised Veeky Forums isn't championing him and his writing as the hero that tabletop needs, though.

Jesus, we're not that bad, yet... Are we?

>>Finds a product called "Diversity Dungeons"
Diversity Dungeons is actually pretty good.

>Jesus, we're not that bad, yet... Are we?
You're talking about the board that shrieks about dissenting opinions, demands that anyone with a contrary idea leave the website, and spends hours trawling the web for "proof" of how bad "the other side" is and then makes threads about it to let everyone know that somewhere else online, someone had a different viewpoint?

Nah, Veeky Forums passed that point a few years ago.

I'm the one who made the original thread that lured the author in to get harassed.

I'd like to think that Veeky Forums, as much as it likes to screech about the Ghost of SJWs Present, doesn't actually think Desborough is any good.

Everyone hates whiny bluehair college kids who fabricate oppression out of everything, but second up on the list are the recent Eurotrend of "cultural libertarians" who are actually just Socialists who don't like their own medicine.

Perfectly okay with stealing 50% of my income, but as soon as a Feminist implies that your cringey behavior is unacceptable, suddenly you become an anarchist? Go slit your throat into a stormdrain, let it run out to sea with the rest of the shit. One noose fits all, I say.

>misses the point that adventurers are exceptional individuals.
What do you base this assertion on, exactly? Your feelings?

Adventurers can be anybody, from bored aristocrats to the bottom dregs of society. They aren't fucking Delta Force commandos. They fit a statistical average of society.

I would kick the shit out of that cat so hard.

Cats are horrible creatures.

>They fit a statistical average of society.
[citation needed]

Man ive been so tempted to make gendered stats for humans in my game, reason being that humans are the minority population and the only gendered race so it would be nice fluff, but its just impossible to do without coming across as some kind of wrong.

>second up on the list are the recent Eurotrend of "cultural libertarians" who are actually just Socialists who don't like their own medicine.
I understood no part of that sentence.

Ha yes, the "roads build and maintain themselves" party.

Cultural Libertarianism is basically Liberal 2.0, where you want everyone to be able to do everything regardless of anyone's moral opinion--right up until you start talking about money. Then it is a moral imperative that those big bad people who actually work for a living be taxed for 35% of their income so that the money can be used for a more constructive purpose, like covering up mass rapes or overthrowing sovereign governments, or bailing out banks. This is all for the good of the working man, mind you.

Desborough is one of these degenerates.

Vecna will help us all, for he is the one true God, and will one day take possession of Sigil. HAIL VECNA!

I think it's pretty racist of people like that to assume that minorities can only identify with minority characters

I get the feeling you're rather misrepresenting some of that. So much so that, when I replace what appears to be hyperbole with a more moderate statement, it seems rather reasonable.

So I think you might want to work on your argumentative skills, unless you were TRYING to make people like the idea.

So it's being Culturally Libertarian and Economically Socialist?

I mean, not everyone needs to perfectly fit into little containers about their politics.

Don't worry user billions of dollars will just trickle down :^)

>having opinions is stupid
>be like me and have no opinions

You're worse than both.

I mean hey, inclusivity is always good, so why not

But you shouldn't need a book to tell you to not be racist/sexist/whatever-ist. Although I guess a lot of people do need a book.

What doesn't rpg.net hate though.

>there weren't any roads before socialism!

It's more that Libertarians inflexibly believe in the power of the free market i.e. "roads will be built and maintained if there's profit in doing so".

Libertarians forget, however, that humans are significantly less rational and efficient than their idealized free market.

I've noticed that libertarians don't mind driving on roads that were funded by taxes. I assume that in their perfect future, roads will only connect one self-sufficient compound to another, with fences to keep freeloaders from crossing them.

>It's more that Libertarians inflexibly believe in the power of the free market i.e. "roads will be built and maintained if there's profit in doing so".
The hilarious thing about the example of roads is that they're entirely impossible to make into a competitive market. You can't build more than a couple of roads between a given pair of places without making horrible time-wasting things that nobody will want to drive on.

Well, yes. Libertarians essentially believe that all things exist because there is some sort of profit in them existing; or, alternatively, the only things *worth* existing are things that are profitable.

Generally speaking, social services provided by the government (e.g. guarantees of citizen rights, and the force of arms to back that guarantee up) aren't profitable ventures - hence, taxes.

"But if these things were made a service provided by a private company, then we wouldn't have to pay taxes!"

Right, but then we'd be paying the private company for their services; functionally you're still paying.

"But that's better than paying the government!"

Fucking how? The government doesn't have to answer to a quarterly fiscal report. (At least, not if your government is big enough and strong enough. Third-world, pre-Industrial Revolution shitholes need not apply.) I mean, sure, the government in my country (Stars 'n Stripes!) is kind of a shitshow, but at least it pays lip service to caring about some of the citizens' rights that its constitution says it guarantees. Do you really think a privatized institution that is capable of providing those guarantees, as well as the force of arms to back that guarantee up, is actually going to give a shit about basic human rights? Or is it going to give a shit about profits?

Reminder that guaranteeing basic human rights generally isn't a profitable venture.

wasn't there some poorly made rpg about lesbian sex posted in a pdf share thread a while back?

You really want pre-industrialized roads to drive on? What are you high or just not someone who drives?

...

Nice and hot for the reddit press.

I mean, it's obviously charisma. Men are better in most things CON and DEX, too.

>user thinks there will still be cars in our glorious Randian utopia
C'mon, friend. There's pretending you're an INT 9 Barbarian, and then there's this.

Does leddit even visit Veeky Forums? I always assumed they were more slavish devotees of /b/ and /pol/ because ~controversy~ or some shit.

>Do you really think a privatized institution that is capable of providing those guarantees, as well as the force of arms to back that guarantee up, is actually going to give a shit about basic human rights?

as you say
It's providing lip service right now.

Leddit loves all of Veeky Forums sterilized through Hilarious screen-caps.
Haven't you seen the fucking screen shots of the board they have about us?

No. I don't into leddit, because I am an upright and moral human being/elitist.

what like we don't already live in a Randian utopia

Be a little more specific, user - I got 4 of them here ...

Well it's how these things trickle down to 'normie' level or whatever people wanna fucking call it these days. We're kinda insular as a community otherwise barring 1d4chan which we hate and Reddit loves because it's just hilarious screencaps and memes and such for them. So say we take a funny screencap, it gets passed around like the common whore, someone nabs it for Reddit cred, which then goes onto something like Funnyjunk or 9Gag and then onto Facebook and so on so forth.

It's why /pol/ and /b/ are the main stars of this little shitshow because their the big names. We're trailing not far behind because we tend to produce more story content than other boards (or at least from what I see. Perhaps it's because on average story content is actually a viable thread here where it wouldn't be elsewhere.)

Absolute Socialism = Randian Utopia ...

gr8 b8 m8

Modern, American Libertarianism is basically just a mess of contradictions that boils down to "serve the corporations". It has practically nothing to do with classical libertarianism, which focuses on personal liberty and voluntaryism rather than just free trade.

People who hold these kind of ideas I find usually either aren't aware of how the profit motive can incentivise harmful behaviour or how it's value as a motivator of productivity has been debunked, or they're narcissistic sociopaths who think everyone worse off than them is in some way inferior or degnerate.

I gotta be honest, that picture's kinda hot. Good work, whichever drawfag was responsible.

>basically just a mess of contradictions that boils down to "serve the corporations"
>AverageCyberpunkSetting.txt
Also a good song lyric with some working.

>voluntaryism
>doing something for free
>doing ANYTHING for free
But user, that's socialism! We can't be having any of that red commie nonsense despoiling our pure-blooded Americana!

where's the absolute socialism tho'

none of the libertarians I've spoken to actually seem to think profit motive is somehow magically a good thing, just an inevitable one
which leads governments to act like corporations anyway while not being subjected to the rule of law

>If you read closely the point of the stat section in gender is basically illustrative as to why it\'s not a good idea - and it\'s not disprove but rather challenged that men necessarily have more autism, the proposed explanation being that women are better at hiding it.
Yeah. Dungeon World players are very bady in hiding their autism and hate for D&D.

I'm waiting for a PbtA hack called Diversity World.

It's predatory mimicry. Socialists - national and international - have for years tried to hijack libertarianism by saying that "real" libertarians are socialist. Go on an eclipse phase general and you'll get an earful.

Basically when a European says he's cultural libertarian, it means he's what Americans would call a Democrat in the 90s. Big government, but also free expression.

Shitty like Car Lesbians, or shitty like A Place to Fuck?

>I'm waiting for a PbtA hack called Diversity World.
It's called Urban Shadows. It's actually quite good and uses the AW format far better than almost any other hack aside from Monsterhearts.

cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/177750101786099712/184366084655284225/Urban_Shadows.pdf

Check it out. I hope hotlinking files from Discord works.

Under free markets, the poor do better because it's fundamentally grounded in voluntary transactions. Under socialism, the rich become poor (or dead)... and then the powerful become rich. That's to be expected because its essence is coercion.

In Venezuela, the power is out, there's no toilet paper, and the poor are starving. This despite the country having been pretty well off 20 years ago and sitting on a mountain of oil. The richest person in Venezuela is the socialist ex-president's daughter. Now the people are trying to elect a new government, and finding out that you can vote your way into socialism, but it's not so easy to vote your way out of it.

>Jina Bandia
I remember from the last thread about this that I took part in that this is basically the poo-in-loo version of 'Jane Doe'.

How can anyone not pick up on the satirical nature of this entire thing?

>How can anyone not pick up on the satirical nature of this entire thing?
Because a lot of posters on Veeky Forums are extremely eager to have their worldviews validated. Haven't you ever noticed that when you make a joke on Veeky Forums, the typical response is "Nice bait", followed by "only pretending to be retarded" when you explain that it was made in jest?

Yes. Yes, I have noticed. And it irritates me, because I remember the time before.

inb4 didn't understood the sarcasm.
As in, autist.

we even had the author of Diversity Dungeons come on here and be butthurt that we thought his work was shitty and hilarious

Maybe in some settings, but I don't think that is true of D&d or PF. Otherwise, there would be no classes made specifically for NPCs.

PC adventurers might not be Delta Force commandos, but they are supposed to be the outliers in their society.

But governments use government jobs as political pawns.

Not only that but there's no motive to improve service or fire incompetent employees with a budget that reflects central planner stupidity as opposed to signals from things like price and usage.

I used to be a communist but I've seen how egregiously government offices and powers are abused, regardless of ideology.

Addendum: People treat private property with magnitudes more respect and care than "public" property.

I really need SJWs to stop using the fist symbol, they dont even know where it comes from, i dont know of a singal revolutinery who would not punch their face in and i know a few, FFS STOP USING THE LEFTS SYMBOLS, YOU ARNT EVEN LEFT WING IM SO FUCKING TRIGGERED BY THIS. Im sorry guys, had to get this off my chest

OP confirmed for ultimate autist.

Diagnosed and all, yes.

Libertarians still think the government should exist and protect the rights of citizens, that is its most basic function under libertarianism alongside external defence.

>Not only that but there's no motive to improve service or fire incompetent employees with a budget that reflects central planner stupidity as opposed to signals from things like price and usage.

If you don't like the government, then don't vote for it.

Yeah, it sucks. But look at all the edgy tards adopting Crusader imagery, or abusing Fascist imagery 'cause they're nationalist. People will always want to link themselves to better radicals, to make them -- and others -- feel better.
Which is ironic, because probably the biggest motivation behind socialism is "LET'S TAKE OUR SHIT".

Yeah, that'll show 'em!

I know, and i know i should not it let get to me, it just bloody hurts when i see a symbol ment to represent a ideology of equality and wokring togheter for a better tomorrow used by reatards who would not ignore the most basic writing of said ideologys just to push their own personal agenda

*who would ignore