EDH/COMMANDER GENERAL

What's the most fun you've had building around a commander, edhg?

Why?

Pic related, he's my baby.

Kamigawa had some gems in it.

Ha sounds neat. Got a list?

Naw, my decks are set to private, I've got an autistic tendency to avoid netdecking, I like to feel like a special snowflake with my decks (hence kami)

Think nekusar without the damage, but with hard stasis effects like winter orb, or, well, stasis. wins through windfalling for 50, then doing it again, through combo mind over matter and temple bell/otherworld atlas, or through Lab man+ leveler.

The fun comes through the political side of fueling all decks, watching them kill each other, and then when I get targeted, dropping meekstone, winter orb, Static orb, etc.

Easily my favorite deck.

Thinking of building this bad boy next

Daretti

The art is some of my favorite

Fair enough. Sounds fun though. I use Kami in my Nekusar build and he does good work from time to time.

What are you thinking with that guy? I take it you are a fan of blue? lol

So my dad, who played Magic back in the 80's, gave me what remains of his collection. So far, going through it I've found some great additions to my collection - at near mint I've got Blood Moon, Wasteland, three Strip Mines, Ensnaring Bridge, a few Swords, Path, and more that I haven't seen yet. Found a City of Brass from Arabian Nights but it's in really terrible condition for selling, fine for playing sleeved - at least I don't need to buy one now!

To clarify, he played on and off from the 80's to about two years ago. Pretty excited to see what else I can find for my EDH decks!

>80's

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>special snowflake with my decks (hence kami)
>hard stasis effects like winter orb, or, well, stasis. wins through windfalling for 50, then doing it again, through combo mind over matter and temple bell/otherworld atlas, or through Lab man+ leveler.
That's like. Kami 1.0.

I mostly play duels with my roommate, but I play multiplayer games once or twice a month. I'm sure it'll get absolutely crushed in multiplayer games.

The end goal will probably be either to convert it over to a Kresh deck or a Krenko goblins deck once I get the cards for it.

What you heard me tell you of is kami 1.0

Magic was created in the 90's, not the 80's.
Doubt you were baiting, your dad probably BS'ed you with talk of playing in the 80's.

Why would I go through the trouble of explaining why I set my decks to private if I was to explain immediately after what makes them special snowflakes? That defeats the purpose, so I explained the basic idea of what kami decks try to accomplish

I thought I kinda liked blue, then as I built kami, I realized it's my favorite.

They don't say "anything you can do, blue can do better" for nothing

Why have I never heard of this for colorless draw? Seems like a solid include for karn/ulamog (kozilek) decks

Bizzare art too, kinda reminds me of the janky old Pokémon card 3D-model art

For most recent commander

youtube.com/watch?v=K1b8AhIsSYQ

>stealing everyone's Sol Rings and Thran Dynamos with Thada Adel
>ramping into fuckhuge artifact creatures stolen from the resident Muzzio deck
>using Quicksilver Fountain to turn stuff into Islands
>dealing damage to non-blue players and exiling their wincons and threats

Thada Adel fucking rules oh my God

Because you're paying 6 mana to draw 1 card unless you happen to draw one of those charge counter support cards

It requires an entire deck built around it to draw 1 extra card per turn (ignoring untaps) for 3 extra mana

Jokes on you I don't run sol ring

notice me Veeky Forums ;_;

tappedout.net/mtg-decks/green-blue-alury-recycle-3cmc-creature-nly-deck/

I need a bit of feedback for how this deck fleshes out, it stalls out around turn 5-7, but then hits hard again once i draw naturally into my bigger stuff. Any tips or advice on more utility creatures to put in? preferably blue and green to combo off momir

So i had this idea for a deck and am currently brewing but i need some help. Think of it as a Zedruu deck but in grixis.
I run things like Phyrexian negator with red boardwipes, bronze bombshell, steel golem, demonic taskmaster and even lord of the pit and lots of ways to give them to my opponents.

It's going to be terribly awesome.

But i need more thing to give to my opponents. What are some bad things I can donate away?

I ran Thada once. Then everyone got sick of my shit and killed her all the time. Bummed me out

If only it was just remove three counters to draw...

There's like two cards in Grixis colors that can repeatedly donate things, so it seems like the deck might be pretty inconsistent.

not saying it would be good, i wnat it to be fun

Would it make me a dick to proxy Ulamog in a deck that runs big creatures? What is the threshold for foul play?

>Proxy
If you don't own the card, you don't get to play with it.

Proxying a fucking 10 dollar card makes you a broke moron or a lazy one, but not a dick.

Shit, she looks fun. Too bad my group is almost devoid of artifacts, I'm the only person who runs them

It's up to your playgroup

I could understand proxying something crazy expensive, but Newlamog? He's like fifteen bucks.

Inconsistency is a problem for both power and fun

Nothing fun about drawing a bunch of shit cards but not drawing any way to give them to your opponents

I have the right colors for card draw and tutors and instant sorcery recursion so i can reuse the donate spells.
I should be fine, i at least wanna try.

not him, but fuck paying more than 8 dollars on a single card. only exception being cabal coffers

(elesh norn i bought for 20 because the guy sold me two for that price. i couldn't pass that up)

If 8 dollars is your upper limit on buying singles, here are your options if you want to play with a 15 dollar card

1) Open packs until you get one
2) Trade for it
3) Go without

You forgot one option

>fuck paying more than 8 dollars on a single card
>elesh norn i bought for 20 because the guy sold me two for that price

i just go without or see if my friends arent using a copy. otherwise it isn't that important.

ie: craterhoof, i use overwhelming, garruk wildspeaker, or triumph.

they were 22 bucks a pop at the time, and they were both christmas presents. problem?

You kind of contradicted yourself

for a cabal coffers that i can't get back from ex that i bought norn for? sure, ill make that one exception in the future, for a used torment edition only. would i ever spend over 8 for something else? no.

understood?

Then you don't get to use cards over $8.

Oh, right.

4) Get a job

This is what you want to believe, because it would ease your buyer's remorse

but unfortunately the facts disagree

Saw a card here a few days ago. White sorc I think. Had something like, "At the next endstep, return permanents that were put into gy this turn into battlefield."
Anyone know what it was called?

>Fuck spending more than eight dollars on a card in an eternal format.

>he thinks he can tell me what i can't make an exception to my own rule of purchasing cards

*insertjerkingoffmotion.gifhere*

Faith's reward?

You sure it's a sorcery? Faith's Reward and Second Sunrise both fit that description, but both are instants.

>HURRRRRR I REFUSE TO ACTUALLY BUY CARDS
>HURRRRRR BUT I FEEL ENTITLED TO THEM
>HURRRRRR YOU'RE A MORON FOR ACTUALLY SUPPORTING THE GAME

No, we're just mocking your inconsistent logic.

Had it been "I prefer not buying cards that cost more than 8 dollars, unless I'll get a ton of use out of them or they're a really good deal" nobody would've batted an eye.

"I don't pay more than $8 for a card, except these several times that I did" makes you sound like a wishy-washy dipshit.

Thank you!

Mulling over a mardu control deck with Zurgo. Bullet points are:
- world slayer
- chandras ignition
- tainted strike
- armageddon

I want to bleed opponents and just slug the game until I get a decent mana base and can cast a fatty like Zurgo, or Anya and just wipe everything. Faiths Reward would be great for that I think.

Lol so defensive, never said any of that

but the facts do not satisfy you so you add that narrative to make it more to your liking

It's simply a fact that people can play magic without buying cards

Sorry that you're butt hurt about that

Saying "hurr" in front of things is not an argument. That fellow might as well reply to you
>HURR I MUST PAY THE CARDS IN ORDER TO LOOK AT THEM
>HURR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T PLAY DON'T DESERVE TO PLAY
>HURR I MUST CAST MYSELF AT WIZARDS' FEET TO ENJOY THEIR PLAYTIME
and then look at that, neither of you have gone anywhere and you've both made yourself look like fools

I think you need a new hobby. This one does not seem to be for you.

>People who can't play don't deserve to play
But that's right.

Whining that you actually have to spend money to play with the cards you want makes you sound like an entitled fucking 10 year old. Do you bitch that you don't get a free PS4 delivered to your house when you want to play games? Do you think you should just be allowed to play them on your cell phone because that's what you have handy?

Do you go "WOOOOOW fucking McDonald's $hill over here" when you get told you have to pay for your fucking meal?

This is a hobby. It's a luxury. You are not entitled to shit. If you don't want to spend money on it, that's fine. If you have a budget, that's fine. But that means you only have access to what's in your budget. If my food budget for the month is 200 dollars total I'm not going to feel entitled to have access to a 500 dollar restaurant just because I want it.

So I traded for a Marton Stromgald the other day and my friends keep telling me about how bad of a card it is. I tried to put it in my R/W tokens deck but I guess it just doesn't go wide enough to be very effective there. I wish he buffed himself.

I feel a little cheesed off, but I can't shake the thought that this guy could be really good. It doesn't really look like it, but does anybody have any thoughts on this?

>It's simply a fact that people can play magic without buying cards
No, they can't. They can play with little pieces of paper or counterfeits instead of supporting the game they like. And if someone played a 'proxy' that wasn't either a card they own that's in another deck, or a card they're testing, I would promptly pick their deck up and throw it across the room.

If you don't want to put the money into the hobby, then you don't get to enjoy the hobby. WotCaHS and the world at large don't owe you shit.

>It's simply a fact that people can play magic without buying cards

By mooching off of other people? You need to stop being a fucking NEET or kill yourself.

Get a job.
Do you go to movies or spend more than $8 on drinks and billiards at a bar? I justify the money spent because dropping a fatty or competing with my friends who also have good cards is well worth the money when compared to other forms of entertainment.

No, he probably just tries to sneak in the back and then makes fun of the people who paid to get in when the ushers throw him out.

Or he tries to steal other people's unattended glasses and mocks them for paying money for beer when they can just steal it for free.

now i feel you are just projecting at this point. sure im saying i would break my own rule once, if the opportunity arises, but ive never done it after i made up the rule after i bought the norns. you want to chastize me for that, go fuck yourself, quite frankly.

what makes you come to that conclusion? that seems silly, considering the cards i have, i have acquired over years since before high school, that my friends and i have pooled over the years collectively. we value each other's company more than whos got the bigger epeen deck

i go to the discout theater, if i do go, and we usually go during the day, so its about 6 bucks a ticket. also, going to the bar is a waste of money, friend has a billiards table

But that's just you

If somebody did that with me, they would get to play the game

So *as a matter of fact* you're simply wrong

I'm sorry

It may not be morally right in your eyes but the world is not always morally right, it is what it is

Way to totally miss the point.

If you have a budget that you need to stick to, that's fine. You go to the budget theater and you don't get snacks, alright. You get drunk with friends instead of going to the bar, also alright. Those are the equivalent of you not going over your 8 dollar price tag for Magic, which is fine.

But when you decide you're just gonna proxy whatever's over your price tag, that's not the same thing as respecting your budget. That's you deciding that you're entitled to whatever you want, even if you can't afford it on your budget. That's you sneaking into the movie theater instead of going to the discount. That's you sneaking into a bar to avoid the cover and stealing drinks or putting them on a tab you're gonna skip out on. That's you deciding to just shoplift a Fat Pack from Walmart because you feel fucking ENTITLED to whatever you want even if you can't (or won't) pay for it.

If 8 dollars is your budget, that's fine. But if you have an 8 dollar budget you -do not get to play with 9+ dollar cards-.

Usual strat is make him indestructible or unblockable in a token spam deck and swing for the fences. He's a worse craterhoof but in red and should be played as such.

You're not playing Magic. You aren't using Magic cards, you aren't supporting the game, you're sitting around with black and white printout pretending to play Magic in your retard helmet because your mommy taught you that you're the specialist snowflake in the world and you're entitled to anything you want.

That's not reality, jack. You aren't special and the world doesn't owe you shit.

>pay to win is the only way to play
Fuck that nonsense.

>tfw no one uses mana rocks or huge artifact creatures in my group so nothing good to steal

Life is suffering

You're living in a fantasy land

People can and do play magic with cards that are outside your budget

You can scream and wail and stamp your feet but that won't change anything

I think you have serious mental problems, man, worrying about things you cannot change is guaranteed to make you miserable

Guys I have a Krond deck but it seems like it sucks. I have good cards but it seems like G/W enchantments just isn't strong enough. I run it mostly out of nostalgia for a deck I had as a child.
My question is this, do I break it apart to make a Boros deck and strengthen my Karlov deck? I bought the R/W precon (I know the shittiest but Target had it on clearance) so I have a base for that. Or is there a way to save G/W with something like Sigarda and running all hexproof creatures. I really dont want to let my foil rancor rot in my binder.

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You keep going on and on with this "entitlement" thing but you're the only one here who feels entitled to something

You paid for cards and you feel entitled to be part of a special group for doing so

Whereas people who proxy aren't doing so because they feel "entitled" to anything, they are doing it because then can, and they want to

Well yeah auras are shit without hexproof

It's unfortunate but that's life

G/W enchantments is very powerful though, regardless of whether you use the aura hexproof strat, it's enough to simply draw a million cards and set up a bunch of oppressive enchantments and recur them if they are destroyed

Unless you play Kurkesh, but even then its pretty mediocre.

Right yeah I'm not saying it's a worthless card I was just explaining why it doesn't get a lot of attention, it's part of a pretty specific deck and the rewards for building around it aren't that great

>go to an LGS to trade about 6 years ago
>EDH is pretty new and there really aren't any netdecks
>some nerd asks to play
>friend and I agree
>he is running a progenitus lands deck, basically just wants to durddle around with lands of every color
>runs full proxies of every fetch and shock, and other stuff like maze of ith (his progenitus had a major crease right through the middle, but that is irrelevant)
>friend and I are running jank, basically whatever cards we had thrown together to make decentstuff.dec
>he is wrecking us, beating face with manlands and control
>friend drops cataclysm
>random nerd scoops
>worst game, felt robbed
I thought the whole point of the format was to play cards in your collection that would never see 60-card play. The whole proxy thing seems silly when it is meant to be fun and many cards have a lower power lower priced alternative.

>Glimpse the Unthinkable is $30
What the fuck

>mind funeral only $4

And they said modern masters printings didn't help prices

I own a foil one, the prices are obscene for what is essentially pure jank.

Where were you when you realized your group were shitters?

>playing new ezuri against old ezuri elfball, karametra, and keranos
>manage to get out an ichorclaw myr, kaseto, hardened scales, with about 8 experience counters
>stack all counters from the combat phase on ichorclaw making him 11/11
>use kaseto to make it unblockable and swing at ezuri
>salt streams from ezuri guy calling bullshit on it, keranos bounces it before attack goes off cause that's not fair
>keep ichorclaw i hand sensing the hate, get out invisible stalker destroy ezuri anyways and pull politics to get karametra to destroy keranos, then beat karametra with invisible stalker
>next game switch to a more crappy deck to calm down everyone
>Ezuri player still playing his deck wants vengeance and gets out viridian corrupter and swings at me with it getting a buff to make it 13/13
>in response I bounce his viridian corrupter
>entire table flips out saying I'm an asshole for not taking the infect

I guess I'm supposed to let butthurt people kill me cause I killed them in the previous game?

A mill win is every jank deck playing nerd's dream. Hell I made sure I got a playset of hedron crabs, mind grinds, etc when they came out. The dream is real. When a mill deck wins a modern GP or PT I will be so happy.

so lets refer to my original post, sally. pay attention to the first sentence there.

>not him, but fuck paying
>not him

tell me how to show which posts are mine and ill be glad to prove it. no way would i proxy a newlamog, i'd rather go without. only one who proxys in my group is for the legacy cube that is my friend's (the two people most into the game buy cards beyond my budget, i supplied some i had in my kit) pet project. even then, they are alter arts and are obvious.

all in all though, just because im willing to make one exception to acquire a card that i have had since high school, gave to my ex for her mirri the cursed deck, and she absconded with, doesnt mean you can tell me i can't use cards over 9 dollars. you have no right to tell others how to interact and play with their playgroup. i will continue to use the maelstrom pulse, sheoldreds, liliana heretical healer ,mikaeus the unhallowed, and all the other ones i can't think of right now. you want to cry about it more? cry to your playgroup instead.

It's not pay to win, it's "you're not entitled to the fucking game for free".

You gonna call any video game on the planet "pay to win" because you have to actually fucking buy it?

I don't believe your story man

Give me a reason to believe it, give me the details that make your friends seem like humans rather than caricatures

I don't give a fuck about people's budgets. Mine is higher than his or lower than hers, and I don't care.

I don't expect everyone to have my budget. I don't demand that the guy with russian foil shocklands limit himself to 50 dollars per card, nor do I demand that the guy who can only afford to spend 20 dollars a month on the game get full Alpha duals. I'm happy for people to play with.

What rustles my jimmies, you reading-comprehension-addled mongoloid, is when people set a budget and then decide they feel ENTITLED to cards outside that budget. If you only want to spend 10 dollars max on a card, that's fine, but it means you do not get to play with 30 dollar cards.

The point of the game rules-wise is to defeat your opponents. To do this, players will design the most effective decks to accomplish that goal. Some people enjoy this play style in a casual multiplayer format, others do not. To this end, some cards are outside of the price range of the player but would be necessary to create that player's vision of the best possible deck.

Proxies are, in my opinion, a reflection of an unhealthy secondary market due to the inability of the majority of players to play whatever they want in a simple hobby. I would not fault the person in your example for his proxying because he most likely just wanted to play his ideal deck without dropping several hundred dollars or more just to create it. I will, however, fault him for being a man-baby and scooping to a cataclysm and having no way to recover, apparently, built in to his deck.

If you play with counterfeits (not proxies, fucking counterfeits) it's the same as shoplifting a pack from Walmart, or pirating a game.

You're saying "I feel ENTITLED to enjoy this product for free. I don't think that the people who created this product I enjoy deserve any money for their efforts. I want it, so I should get it, and if I don't wanna pay for it then I'm not going to, but I should still get to enjoy it."

I'd like to bang a 2000 dollar a night hooker, but I can't afford that. Do you see me whining about how I should get to fuck her for free just because I want to? No, because I'm not 5 fucking years old.

When they tried to cheat me out of a win

Felt good blowing up their lands and creatures to lock them out and then beating them to death with my single creature