Warhammer 40k General

Is mathhammer worth doing? it seems to be completely off base of simulations that i do with the actual dice

anyone seen how the new bases were made in china?

>"X is a Y army" is a meme
>only posted once per general

"Mathhammer"-ing your force isn't a bad idea, as long as you understand that it shows the general trend of your army rather than how it will actually play.

For example, despite the fact that mathematically my Plasma Cannon/Power Scourge Helbrute is not efficient, it consistently earns back more than twice its points in every game I play because of how I use it, terrain placement, and dumb luck.

It's good to know the relative chance of something happening and to see what the average result will be over time (by assuming rolls of 3-4).

For example, you wouldn't bet much on a 12 inch charge because mathhammer says it'll average 6-8. But mathhammer also shows you that if you want to be absolutely safe, you should do a 2" charge.

It's a meme, you dip.

Sister of battle models when?
I can't believe that it takes 60 multi-meltas in the game to fucking shoot down a damn plane. At least 1 in every 5 sister would be able to land a hit in real battles. Same thing with riptides, why can it be wounded by infantry flashlights? It should get +2 to BS and Toughness.

Tau players are reasonable people who r not bad!

How is it not a meme once it's been posted 89% of all generals?

That's old news and got a lot of anger on forums.

At least the cargo boxes aren't made in china. I'd avoid the chinese products from now on. The lowered price isn't worth the quality drop.

thank you i was using it to see the reliability of my friends ravengaurd fucking me in the ass with its DS charge without scatter formation

>they don't realize that post was just the same meme applied to memes instead of armies

X and Y are used to describe [insert X] memes, guys...

Working on a shitty stormtrooper army. What none-blue color schemes look good on them? I have been thinking of red/black/gold or red/white/green.

>I have been thinking of CRAWLING IN MY RED AND BLACK or Christmas

Just go full edge and stick it to the filthy knife ears.

Burt Reynolds.

Black Red.

Oh I'm sure they're a delightful bunch when they're off duty.

They probably cover puddles with their jackets so Eldar females can walk over them.

It's shit, user, you just stuck a KMB on a stick.

>Inverted version of pic related

I never knew I needed a start collecting box for Scions till today. Thanks, user. This will go great with my Phantoms

I bet it's akward when it's time to punch the clock and start killing each other.

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That's exactly the point user. It's just the Nob big choppa with the choppa removed and replaced with the KMB from a Deff Dread.

I'm painting some Stormtroopers right now. Went with brown/tan with a red faceplate. Looks pretty good I guess, supposed to be a desert theme.

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Question, can I take a Daemon Lord formation from the decurion, without taking the decurion to slot in another Greater Daemon?

no, they are in a command slot but not a dataslate like the 4 deamon prince formation

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING RULES

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Nope. If you're running mono god, Daemonic Incursion is the best way though. Except maybe Tzeentch if you're trying to run 4 Heralds, Fateweaver, and a Prince.

Darn. Is there a way to add in another Greater Daemon, or do I just have to ally with myself? I have Karios and Heralds right now.

double cad or drop fateweaver or drop the heralds

it drops this week so maybe we'll get leaks friday/thursday

Sorry for the dumb questions, I'm pretty new. How do I double CAD? Do I just like, make 2 lists?

Bleedin' cogheads.

>Onager
>Fusion Blades
>Farsight
>not running blank/flamer/fusion blaster crisis suits so you can CHARGE THE ENEMY IN HONORABLE SAMURAI DUELS
>not running kroot to shoot people and then slice them into salami

Take a minimum of two HQs and four troops in separate detachments. Boom, two CADs.

It's one list, but yeah. 2 HQ's and 4 Troops. CAD is how real men play.

Ah, okay, thank you very much! I'll post my list in a second.

Are tau fun?

only if you do

We have a local player who runs a Crisis Suits Commander with Fusion Blades. Works tons better than you'd expect on anything that doesn't punch like a truck.

i the remegades and heretics list why is a medusa tabk cheaper than the basalisk. but the Medusa artillery carriage is significantly more expensive than the earthshaker one?
is it a typo or are the IG ones like that too.

shorter range, direct fire only, and on a hilariously vulnerable chassis, mainly

I just watched independence day and I cant help but imagine
"We come in pea-"
"Filthy Xenos!"

Daemon CAD

Karios Fateweaver (300)

Daemonic Heralds

Herald of Tzeentch (150) ML3, The Occular Dias, 1 Exalted Reward

Herald of Khorne (145) 2 Lesser Rewards, Exalted Loci of Wrath, Juggernaut

Nurglings (45) 3 Bases

Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (95) 10, 1 Iridesent Horror

Flesh Hounds of Khorne (240) 15 Hounds

Screamers of Tzeentch (125) 5 Screamers

Blood Slaughterer of Khorne (135) Impaler

DAY 2

Secondary CAD

HQ: Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury (330) Lash of Khorne, Warp Forged Armor, Skullreaver, 2 Greater Rewards

Nurglings (45) 3 Nurglings

Pink Horrors (90) 10 Pink Horrors

Flamers of Tzeentch (69) 3 Flamers

Flamers of Tzeentch (69) 3 Flamers

This is for a tournament, 1250 Day 1, add 600 points day 2. What do you guys think?

I really like the red faceplate, but I think I will go with a black body and silver outlines.

drop a gift on the khorne herald 1 ap2 weapon is good enough, pink horrors don't need champs, bloodthrister can't take warp forge armor unless you mean armor of scorn but then you can't also take the skullreaver

looks alright but you lack ranged attacks or anti flyers

Gave him 2, because I thought 1 axe replaced his hellblade for CC, just learned it doesn't. I have a pink champ for the 4 result, so Fateweaver, or the Blood Thirster doesn't Daemonic Instability test on a 3d6, and the Bloodthirster comes with that armor stock. Karios is my anti-air with BS6, and all the Tzeentch spells.

Independent characters can join units from other detachments, right? So I could stick Coteaz with a bunch of super shooty dudes from a non-Inquisition codex and use his special intercept rule?

For Sanguinius!

What's everyone's idea of a fair Tau or Necron list that you would want to fight?

Star Phantoms 1850
Librarian: Level 2, Stave
Techmarine, bike, combi-grav

Elites
2 X Sternguard, 7 w/ combi-plas, Drop Pod
Command Squad, bikes, 3 grav guns, apothecary

Troops
4 X 5 Man Tactical Squads, combi melta, melta gun, drop pod

Heavy Support
Fire Raptor
Relic Whirlwind Scorpius
Relic Whirlwind Scorpius
current idea is sticking the librarian in one sternguard squad, and rolling on librarius for null zone and murderizing deathstars on the hail of destruction turn

Melee tau as described above could be fun for both sides.

I run ark wing, it has been nerfed into the fucking ground. CAD with 2-3 ghost arks, 2 catacomb command barges, some annihilation barges and some doomsday arks.

surely being direct fire only on an immobile model is a big disadvantage too.

it just seems odd that i can pretty much get earthshakers for the price of 2 medusas. But mounted on a chinera and the Medusa is the cheaper option.

i wouldn't worry about the 3d6 result, you're more likely to get 7 or nothing happens. also you got fateweaver so you can reroll the warpstorm result.

for the herald that's true also the hellblade isn't a specialist weapon but i usually just give mine a greater aetherblade for +1 strength and mastercrafted. instant death on 6s is alright but not worth it unless you know you're fighting enemies with multiple wounds.

only if they're battle brothers.

av 13 wall is still bull against certain lists though

breachers in d fishes :^)

1850 Dark Eldar

Realspace Raiders
Lhamean (10)

3x 5 Trueborn (205)
3 Blaster / 2 Dark Lance
Venom + Splinter Cannon

3x 10 Kabalite (170)
9 Rifle / 1 Splinter Cannon
Raider + Aethersails / Splinter Racks

3x 5 Scourge (120-140)
4 Haywire Blaster
4 Heat Lance
4 Blaster

2x 6 Reaver (146)
2 Caltrop / 2 Heat Lance
2 Caltrop / 2 Blaster

I have about 1797 points used, I wasn't sure if I should throw more upgrades on the Raiders or not. Or if I should take anything off them.

I would use Webway Portals, but I don't know how to get them to work properly. Can you still have units embark on transports pe-game? My LGS claims the new FAQ destroyed this, especially with Allies.

Decided to try and go with as much firepower as possible, covering as many bases as possible.

heat lances are alright but i think you need to get within 9" to get the full effects, might be better off with just haywire blasters since they have the best range

I struggle getting black to 'pop'.

how should i kit out a scout sentinel for heralds of ruin?

I do dark grey with black washes, it looks better than when I paint black by itself

[Decimation Intensifies]

You better reserve your heat lances for reavers. Only they have needed mobility to use them.

>special weapons on reavers
how about no
when they're jinking nearly every turn, what the fuck is the point

I wouldn't know much about them in terms of jinking. I've only played about 6 games, ever.

I only like the Heat Lances for being a decent mixture of anti-vehicle and anti-personnel, being S6 and AP2, but yeah, 9" Melta is risky business from what I recall.

>I wouldn't know much about them in terms of jinking
they get +1 to jink, and considering they have a 5+ save they're gonna be jinking every turn

The point is that life as Dark Eldar is pain and you work with the best you have. Sometimes the best you have is... not much.

Pop is created by contrast, so you'd have to do some highlighting or blending with lighter colors like grey or white. If you just do black and leave it at that it won't pop unless you paint some silver or gold details on it or add hazard stripes or some other kind of contrast, like highlights.

If I take the blasters and lances off the Reavers, I'll have ~93 points to use. Anything I should use it on? I could upgrade the extra Scourges into Solarite or make a 4th unit of them with only Shardcarbines.

I feel you, bro, that thing is a nightmare.

I'll paint mine on my own, but I'm not new to commission painting.
If you don't want to paint it yourself, then do it. Give it to a pro.

Plastic Rough Riders, when?

after chaos marines get a decent upgrade but before sisters get plastic

I'm running mine with a heavy flamer. I figure scout deploy and ignores cover template is good for small tables with lots of terrain.

I do add highlights. Usually a medium grey and a blue-grey. Just doesnt ever seem to look as fun as colors.

Tier 1 grot codex when?

Newb question but I want to be clear, to enter melee combat you must charge? You can't just move in to base contact? I mean that makes perfect sense since it's not like you'd just walk up and say "I SHALL FIGHT THEE!" during a bloody war.. but I want to be sure.
Also do Sweeping Advances only apply to melee combat?

you are correct, in other wargames you can do that. in malifaux for example you have range on weapons like 2" so you can walk up and smack someone without declaring a charge

Believe it or not, it is possible to get into close combat without either involved unit charging.

hot damn.

So my local GW has a dude doing a HoR event thinger, It's using the legacy lists because the current round of lists is still playtesting and whatnot. I'm thinking of doing an Ig+Inq list and wondering what to shove into it.

Things i have to work with/have ordered (these can be converted or used to count as something else)
1 Canonness (possible inquisitor)
1 Sister superior (possible inquisitor)
1 steel legion squad (1 sarge, 1 missile hwt, 7 lasgun dudes)
1 steel legion commander with bolt pistol/power sword
1 steel legion plasmaman
1 box of scions(and i'm likely to get the start collecting tempestus box in a bit depending on it's rules)
1 box cadian squad+1 box cadian command (trying to not do standard cadians but i do have these bits for resources)
4 of the 5dude chaos cultman box (20 dudes with 5 poses, three autogun poses, two autopistol/ccw poses)
1 box shadow warriors/sisters of the watch from fantasy (probably conversion fodder, the lead sister of the watch is a possible inquisitor conversion)
1 box black ark corsairs (conversion fodder as well, probably make decent carapace pistol/ccw dudes)
2 enginseers (one metal, one the new plastic)
1 sentinel box

I also have a box of space marine scouts and sniper scouts which can maybe be useful for something somewhere at some point?

And finally i have the contents of a deathwatch overkill box

that's not all the bits and kits i have but i just listed stuff that i think could be potentially helpful/useful for the list.

whoops, forgot steel legion squad also had a grenade launcher fella, so instead of 7 lasguns it's 6 and a grenade launcher

You can't move into base contact through moving anyway you have to stay a minimum distance away. You can only get into base contact by charging.

first time trying to paint yellow...and on a black spray primer...how the hell do I do this without it looking like a THIN YOUR PAINTS public service announcement? should I put something like celestra grey on top of the black first as a base?

why would you use a black primer if you want to do a bright color? using celestra grey then averland sunset should help but you'll probably still end up with a pale yellow

Complete newbie here, is something like this a good buy to get started?

I'm interested most in Chaos Space Marines.

ebay.com/itm/6-chosen-lord-CHAOS-SPACE-MARINES-EB1-PLASTIC-unpainted-dark-vengeance-40k-/322140638116?hash=item4b01140ba4:g:4lUAAOSwQYZWyO-g&autorefresh=true

or

ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-40k-Dark-Vengeance-Chaos-Bundle-Lord-Champion-Chosens-and-Hellbrute-/291792677465?hash=item43f032ea59:g:GUwAAOSwnDZT3ry5

trying to do imperial fists with yellow shoulders and heads and black armor...im thinking this might have been a bad idea

Just buy the whole Dark Vengeace set.

You get all that, a ton more, and a copy of the main rulebook.

anyone have any good alternative models for libbies? want something slightly more interesting than the current plastic ones

DV Librarian with the left armor or shoulder replaced

or covert any model into a librarian with guitar wire, some green stuff, and a bunch of bits

Are the other models useful? I could do that if the Dark Vengeance set is useful.