Warhammer Fantasy General

Cool.

Are these guys playable? They certainly look cool but I'm not sure if is worth getting more of them for play. I only have 10 for my collection.

>Karl Franz is Nick Cage
>oddly aroused

nothing odd about that, carry on soldier.

6th, 8th, or 9th?

How do you guys find a community in your areas? I'm looking at getting back into fantasy or maybe 9th Age, but my cursory search for a facebook group or forum thread have yielded nothing.

Mine is mainly KoW, some frostgrave and SoBaH, X-wing and infinity for sci fi(some people still have they 40k armies tough I don't see it played anymore).

I don't see a reason to have slaanesh different from its original description
>a handsome androgynous humanoid being with one boob
I always imagine it with white hairs, very long nails and horns that in some way imitate elven ears though.

I'd actually much prefer this than "chaos is going to win and theres nothing you can do about it lol."
Chaos cultists are hardly an afterthought when fuckhuge hordes are invading avery 3 years, leading up to a force literally called chaos uniting under one banner and smashing into the old world.

I'm imagining a setting like this
>the Empire and Bretonnia are stronger than they have ever been
>the chaos hordes are kept at bay, the beastmen are hardly a threat to anything but small villages
>the last orc WAAAGH was decades ago and the greenskins are doing something else like fighting the chaos dwarfs
>dwarfs are focused on taking back their lost holds, leaving the manliness to their own problems
>sylvannia and Mousillion have been dealt with by empire and bretonnia, vampires in hiding

With few of the obvious bad guys at large, tensions Between the human nations grow, secretly urged on by skaven, chaos cultists and Vampires. Chaos, instead of being some giant looming threat, is instead a force in the shadows manipulating the humans into destroying each other.

The brets break against the empire's walls and warmachines, I can't really imagine them winning over the cities.
It's funny to imagine the empire under the rule of the king organizing a revolution in hidden places though.

Now I can't stop imagining strigoi from the vampire coast covering themselves in war paint made from the pollen of giant corpses-smelling flowers.

>warmachines
Aren't the bret knights protected from cowardly gunpowder weapons though? The walls point still stands, but they'd probably win a siege the same way real life armies did most of the time. By surrounding the city until the inhabitants either starved, or came out to fight like men. If the knights surround a city, that gives enough time for the peasants to catch up, start building siege towers and trebuchets, and break holes in the walls for their masters to gloriously charge through. If the beastmen, orcs and goblins can pose a serious threat to an imperial city, the bretonnians definitely can as well. They also have the advantage of that magical protection negating most of the advantages the empire would normally have over them

Only grail knights are protected against bullets.

But you can't conquer a city alone if your entire army gets devastated

>whilist a bretonnian knight fights in a noble and pious manner he is rewarded by the protection of the lady of the lake. Imbued with this divine energy, he is almost invincible. His armor with deflect shot and baleful curse, his lance will pierce through steel and bone, and his charge will smash asunder the tightest pike block or most solid shield wall
>the Knights of bretonnia fight in wedge shaped lance formations....capable of breaking apart even the legendary battle lines of the dwarfs
From the rulebook description. All Knights get the blessing as long as pray before battle and don't flee or fight in anyway unmanly

Reading 3.1 of Nagash. If I had a penny for every time I read the words '..would have killed a normal man, but..' I would be in the top 1%.
My kawaii Nagash husbando will come back one day, right?

I doubt the efficacy of divine protection against careful placed cannonballs to the face honestly, in any case, they could still shoot the horses, can't they?

Even the 6th edition rulebook specifically mentioned the blessing being able to stop cannon balls, but I'm sure it isn't 100% effective. Still, it would be extremely demoralizing to be an artillery crew being charged by a Knight lance formation . You think your well placed cannon shot will tear a ragged line in their forces, but instead only 1 or 2 Knights drop and the rest keep charging undaunted, straight through the halbediers who were supposed to keep them at bay. That, or you think you're safe far behind ranks of state troops only for Pegasus Knights to pull a dynamic entry and slaughter your artillery crews. The generals who were flying around on griffons are have been defeated by Pegasus Grail Knights, and your captains have been singled out for manly combat. All while thousands of Knights are charging straight into your now disorganized forces

Does anyone have the mediafire link to all the lore books???

Propaganda and a mild magical edge. Throw enough lead at anything and it dies, faggot frenchies are no exception.

>I doubt the efficacy of divine protection against careful placed cannonballs to the face honestly
that's pretty much what everyone says until they actually face bretonnians

>magical protection
>fantastic arms and armor
>near-mythical horses
>HUGE NOBLE GUTS
And that's just your average knight of the realm. The more experienced go and hunt dragons for funsies.

There is 3 passage points between the Empire and Bretonnia, each with massive fuckhuge fortresses on every side.

Also, even if the brets can gain some lad, the sheer landmass of the empire coupled with the fact that the populace is used to live as free men rather than vassals make a lasting conquest impossible, or pointless.

>And that's just your average knight of the realm
The average bret knight still has a worse statline than the average pire knight.

I'm not sure why you're bringing up vampire knights

Empire, lad.

Gotta love dat 1+ save.

cavalry without the lance formation is not real cavalry

keep telling yourself that, peasant.

just facts of life, hans

lance is god tier
the archer formation was also really fucking good and I wish they'd kept it

Wait a sec
When Alkaziddar killed Nagash in the throne room, how come there weren't any wights guarding Nagash?

>orcs

Depends on where you are.
I see a ton of fantasy played where I am and basically nothing else aside from the hordes of 40k players.

That's because the Bretonnian army book is older than the average Bretonnian player.

>mighty dwarf battle line

Of course they can, dwarfs don't fucking use spears

They used to have spear units around 3rd edition, but they were dropped.

So how do dark elves fair in 9th age, any tins from war hammer fantasy general for a dark elf player, I am having trouble against the local empire player and would appreciate some advice.

So how frequently is merchant shipping equipped with cannon, and how many is typical?

I think the general's compendium or the old man-o-war guides would tell you.

But from what I know fluff-wise from the Black Library novels merchant ships, and even most pirate ships, rely more on bolt throwers and such.

Remember even late-history leading up to the end times cannons are very expensive, rare, and sometimes just explode on the crew.

Bolt throwers are super common though and would be super-heated red so that they'd catch sails and wood on fire when they hit the target.

Also, more orcs.

You talking about TWW with that formation stuff? Because I really wish they had kept formations, also AI reinforcements.

He's his own pope now.

Check the pastebin.

Wights are Old World undead. He was still Nehekharan. Also, for the plot to happen. Maybe because he wanted to cast spells in peace.

Female Orcs and Dwarf Spearmen.

There's something poetic about that.

He means the Brets had unique formations in the table top. For example, they could deploy their knights in a wedge, which is illegal for other armies.

In TWW you can have AI reinforcements, just start a battle near a friendly stack. Prefab formations are for scrubs.

Wud u pat a skaven?

With a hammer.

No, that'd get me super AIDS.

>Ruining a perfectly good hammer.

Aren't bolt throwers realistically pretty bad naval weapons due to their bulk?

Chinese ships had catapults and something that was essentially a ballilsta on them.

with a halberd. That way you can smash it without getting too close

WARHAMMER NEWS: Age of Sigmar is getting a shitload of merch, water bottles and iPhone cases and hoodies and such. Just stuff for us to make fun of.

GW is changing White Dwarf. Possibly for the better, but who knows. Back to monthly is all we know for sure.

GW brought back a bunch of LOTR minis.

Universal Battle for The 9th Age will let you play T9A online multiplayer as a video game.

Raging Heroes TGG2 is ending its Pay Pal buying, so last chance to get their newest minis before the prices shoot up from Kickstarter to online store. Best time to buy is now also because it finishes and ships in only a few months.

Coolmini is having a Kickstarter too, very Warhammer Fantasy models for a zombie apocalypse fantasy game.
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A lot of Chinese ships were basically river barges, though.

The Chinese aren't known for their naval prowess outside of the highly fictionalized treasure ships.

COME ON, DRENGHARAZI, ALL THAT MATTERS IS THE RAKI IS DEAD.
ONLY ELGI ARGUE ON THE HOW.

>not using the armor bearded helmet

Wew

>GW is changing White Dwarf. Possibly for the better, but who knows. Back to monthly is all we know for sure.
I got a newsletter email from warhammer digital about this. But for some reason all the emails I get from them are blank, since the images can't be displayed and as far as I can tell they don't have an online version of their newsletter either.
Care to elaborate on what they said was gonna happen?

The problem is that most pre-black powder naval combat is based on (in three historical cases) flamethrowers, ramming, boarding, and in some cases just having a deck full of archers.

The Greeks and Romans had the most notorious pre-Medieval naval battles, and that was just basically bumper cars and ground combat on an uneven wet surface.

Aren't most naval powers in WHF around the 14th or 15th century?

Preorder for $80 for a discount, going back to monthly, and Donald Trump style promises of greatness, believe me.

The famous naval battle of red cliff was literally just floating fire ships into a bunch of troop transports that had been tied together and were floating leisurely down a river. A great strategic victory, of course, but not much of a naval clash.

Only the Empire.

High Elves have basically the modern American navy via magic, magic animals, and magic wood.
Empire is 14th, Brets are closer to 12th, Dwarfs and Chaos Dwarfs are in Steampunk, Skaven have WIERD SCIENCE shit like undead fishmonsters and robots as ships, everyone else is closer to bronze age through fall of Rome.

HUGE barges sometimes though until the Junk,

The Junk would also have crossbow like weapons until they were introduced to cannons.

The Junk was centuries ahead of its time.
They just kinda... stagnated after that invention though.
Which makes a certain kind of sense, they had no naval foes, no real interests across the sea, and no pressure to expand that way.

>no naval foes

The Japanese. They just preferred to fight them when they landed, rather than chase them around at sea, where they were less skilled.

Well, no.
The Japanese were barely a blip on the radar of the Chinese establishment for centuries, Wokou were not considered a real threat of any kind, naval or otherwise.
In fact the Chinese bureaucracy used them as indirect taxation.

It wasn't until the Yuan that the Chinese had any real interest in Japan as a thing, and that was never as a naval threat.

When the Chinese actually gave a shit, the Japanese pirates were usually super murdered.
That's what happens when you're fighting fishermen-turned-pirates.

Also, Korea. Best navy, shittiest decisions.

Don't the dork elves have a weird mix of floating rocks, towed ships, and those hybrid oar/sail ships used by the Barbary pirates?

I know at least one Arabyan ship had a djinn for propulsion.

Bretonnia is the early editions was greatly different than it is today. Take revolutionary France and then put it in plate mail and you pretty much got it. King Charles de Tete d'Or ruled over a crumbling kingdom that was once the center of modernity, fashion, and had the power to rival and potentially conquer the Empire.

But Chaos affected Bretonnia as it did everywhere. While the Empire dealt with the Enemy Within and Without, Chaos seeped into the Bretonnians themselves in such a way as to put a malaise on the whole country. The people didn't CARE that their country was a shithole, and the few that did could only makes things decent in a small area. The court of the king was foppish and sycophantic, and callous disregard for the common people was how the nobility felt on a GOOD day. In the old editions, the nobles of Quenelles were known to torture peasants just for giving them a funny look.

this is the lore period I love. Warhammer lore was pretty interesting before it got too huge and unwieldy for its own good.

Goryeo was a Chinese vassal state, conquered by land.

Joseon never fought China, they fought Manchurians (Before they became the Qing) who invaded by land.

Writing out a tournament pack for a WHFB tournament at my FLGS. Need some suitably awesome art for the title page. Anyone got anything suitable?

>Dwarf shield walls defy real world military logic, as does just about everything in Warhammer. News at 10
The elf knights, the ones who pretty much invented knights, broke repeatedly on Those dwarf battle lines during the war of the beard.
All of this. Empire Knights may have slightly better mundane armor, but that's about it. Magical protection from cannons> slightly better steel armor that will still get priced by Bret lances. Plus there are way more bretonnian Knights than empire knights. In the empire, Knights support the peasants of the army. In bretonnia, the peasants are just cannon fodder meant to soak up damage and keep the enemy pinned in place long enough for the Knights to charge. That is, if the Knights even decide to bring peasants in the first place

Well, Warhammer Cathay would be roughly analogous to Ming China. And while the irregular pirates were eventually wrecked, it did take concentrated effort. They were aware of them, and din't consider their attacks nothing. They were strong enough to defeat local garrisons of poor morale troops.

>Plus there are way more bretonnian Knights than empire knights.

Most of whom are knights-errant, so a bunch of nut job 17 year olds with a mail coat.

>Plus there are way more bretonnian Knights than empire knights
There is absolutely no reason for that. There is even a lot of reasons pointing that empire knights are way more numerous compared to the population than bretonnians.

>In the empire, Knights support the peasants of the army. In bretonnia, the peasants are just cannon fodder
Because the armies of the Empire are way more vast than the shitty war hosts of that backwater nation that is bretonnia.

There is plenty of examples where this magical protection didn't do shit against good old gunpowder trough.

Thanks, much appreciated.

Old school WDs like in the 90s did play a major part in keeping me invested in the 'hobby' even when I didn't actively do anything.

It's happening too late for me though since I'm not really interested in 40k or AoS these days anymore.

8th.

iktf. Noone plays these games in poor post commie shitholes

9th.

1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer/Tactics/8th_Edition/Empire

Best edition coming through

Bretonnia in Total Warhammer is pretty great (do glad CA gave them attention compared to GW), but man, there pretty overpowered. Tried using them in multiplayer, and got dominated by an Empire player. While there Calvary is good, I think it should be better.

Empire is very good. All around army that can counter any threat. Greenskins are also all around great, but they have that oh shit when they realize that wyvern rider is their only counter to gyrobombers.

>empire has more Knights than bretonnia
Nigga what? You imperialfags actually believe this? It's one thing to say the empire has the better military, but saying they outknight a nation who centers everything on its Knights is just plain wrong

Standard knights of the realm do get blessings, but they are minor compared to the Grail knights who even then are far from completely bulletproof.

What would make you think that the Brets have more nobles (aka knights) than the Empire ? If anything, it's the other way around since simple soldiers can earn nobility trough the battleground in the Empire.

Every fluff source with them describing vast hosts of Knights? Most Knights will be vassals to a higher ranking one and never own land. Not only this, ALL bretonnian noble males are Knights, unlike the empire where many of them are ponces and knighthood is not mandatory. Stop trying to apply real world logic to fantasy

>Every fluff source with them describing vast hosts of Knights?
Yeah maybe they just don't enlist as much as infantry as the Empire does, resulting in smaller armies, mostly composed of knights.

Also, Bretonnia is feudal, wich means that EVERY knight has some land (in the fluff errantry wars are even declared for that reason : finding fiefs for young knights). On the other hand, the Empire actually has confirmed landless knights.

Bretonia has "House Knights" landless knights who have completed errantry but signed on with a greater noble's court instead of getting a fief. (It's mentioned in Knights of the Grail for wfrp2e)

And the empire has more "wastrel" (by Bretonian standards) nobility that don't pursue knighthood.

I just read the last paragraph of the End Times. It says the Chaos Gods got bored left the destruction of the world on autopilot and left to invade other worlds and creations.

The keyword is creation. I looked in past whfb sources and there are numerous examples of referring to the mortal universe as "creation".

A creation requires a creator. I guess this confirms the existence of "G*d" in the whfb universe?

>And the empire has more "wastrel" (by Bretonian standards) nobility that don't pursue knighthood.
Where did you got that from ?

I guess the fact that there are numerous actual gods hasn't been a clear enough evidence for you.

You mean demons and beings posing as gods while there is a omnipotent and omniscience creator looming above all.

Except we know in Warhammer no god identified was a creator god.
They just appeared later, all gods came after the Old Ones.
Well, there is the hinted cycle of the Elf gods that Be'lakor shattered. The previous Lileath, mother of Warhammer Lileath, created the world.