Why do fa/tg/uys hate elves?

because they do some or all of the following:

>Hog the spotlight

>Mary Sue backstory

>hit on an NPC when the game is being played by nothing but strait men

>lootwhore

>act arrogant

>unwillingness to compromise with other players

>play the brooding loner, to the detriment of advancing the plot

all of this can be umbrella'd under "values personal enjoyment over that of the group", every guy (or girl) i've played with that has elf as their go-to race is a selfish prick in what should be collaborative enjoyment

You're just playing with assholes.

It would be more in character for the dwarf to be a loot whore.

Also, can we stop with the whole "elves are arrogant" thing. It's stupid and baseless. I honestly don't know where it comes from. Tolkien's elves weren't arrogant.

I usually play my elves as either mercenary types or protectors of nature. They're no more arrogant than the paladin or the wizard or any other character.

That's because 90% of the time they're smug arrogant Mary Sues. The very fact that they're flawless means they're the worst race and attract the worst kind of players.

>Elves are honorable.
lol okay

>Also, can we stop with the whole "elves are arrogant" thing. It's stupid and baseless. I honestly don't know where it comes from. Tolkien's elves weren't arrogant.
Can people stop making elves arrogant, then? Tolkien isn't the only source of inspiration for D&D games.

>that a lot of it has to with elves being portrayed as arrogant assholes that are better than everyone else.
That's a result of fa/tg/uy dislike of elves more than the cause. People who don't like them try to portray them as shitty to make others dislike them too.

I actually like elves, but I can't help but groan when I see another high elf looking down upon all the other races as lesser or become boring ass Legolas clones.

My favorite approach to elves in general is probably just super patient people with a slight advantage in dexterity and/or magic. In lots of settings, elves live for hundreds of years, so it makes sense that they'd almost always take the long view from the humans' perspective, even if they just think they're at a normal level of patience.

My current Wood Elf PC basically believes she's got all the time in the world so she's let herself get lazy and her swordplay rusty. Even though she used to be horrifyingly talented, she couldn't summon that talent if her life depended on it.

Tolkien's elves weren't, but a lot of the derivatives add the trait in.

Prove me wrong then. In what setting are elves dishonorable? Drow excluded of course.

True. But Tolkien created elves, dwarves and halflings as well as many of the other fantasy tropes as we know them today. Like him or not, he's the gold standard of fantasy.

Which authors or settings have arrogant elves?

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>It would be more in character for the dwarf to be a loot whore.

doesnt matter whats 'in character' i've played with elf-players, and if theres a shiny sword or a weird trinket, they want it, and they'll steal to get it

>Also, can we stop with the whole "elves are arrogant" thing. It's stupid and baseless

and yet it happens in games, CONSTANTLY

>They're no more arrogant than the paladin or the wizard or any other character.

most guys i know that play paladins just want to discourage in-fighting, and every wizard player i know is a stone cold psychopath waiting to mind-rape said paladin

>In what setting are elves dishonorable?
Dwarf Fortress. Warhammer 40k. Every D&D game I've played.
>Which authors or settings have arrogant elves?
Dwarf Fortress. Warhammer 40k. Every D&D game I've played.

>It would be more in character for the dwarf to be a loot whore.
Why does OP hate dwarves?

Is it because they're strong, brave and liked like the popular kids at school that you resented?

Is it because the men are all bears which makes OP uncomfortable with his sexuality so he pretends to "hate" them so nobody suspects that you're bi-curious?

Is it because drunk hairy rich men remind OP of his time pretending to be a 12-year-old Mexican prostitute named Carlita?

Come on, be honest, OP

>Dwarf Fortress
Propaganda by dwarf supremacists

>Warhammer 40k
I assume you're referring to the Eldar. How are they more arrogant than the HFY Imperium who believes that all non-humans need to be exterminated?

>D&D
That's probably your DM's fault. The only setting I can think of where elves are dicks is Dark Sun. But then, everyone is a dick in that setting.

I don't.
They're a character race like any other.

I don't mind dwarves at all. I don't hate any particular race although I don't particularly like Tieflings or Dragonborn (aka the meme races).

Reading LotR for only the second time in my life and am gonna do the Silmarillion next, which I have picked at here and there but have never done cover to cover.

Elves are fucking great, whachutalkinbout. They're the demigods with a splash of the fair folk. They have utter mastery over the physical, created cosmos because their place in the divine order is to exist only in that created world and thus exist as fully as possible therein. They are mythological philosopher kings who sire cultures and establish entire systems of language and are the recorded founders of nearly every form of trade and craft. They go toe to toe with Maiar and sometimes fucking win.

Seriously, whachutalkinbout.

I've mostly only seen the arrogant asshole portrayal of elves on Veeky Forums itself.

I'm assuming that people who hate elves have never read Tolkien.

Unless there is an entire story going on about how exactly they achieved their greatness, they are deemed to be Mary Sues.

Also, never read any of Tolkien's book myself.

>Also, never read any of Tolkien's book myself.
You should. Might change your perspective on elves.

They're not the two dimensional beings they're portrayed as in modern media.

>Which authors or settings have arrogant elves?
There was a book series that came out not too long ago that featured elves as this conquering empire, that subjugated all other races via magic brainwashing that needed to be re-applied to keep their slaves complacent. Because the slaves never remembered anything, many would use that as an excuse to heap abuses on their slaves(humans, dwarves, etc) and then subject them to the enchantment so they have no idea where their injuries came from.

Dragon's Legacy or something like that.

>How are they more arrogant than the HFY Imperium-

Well now you're just moving the goal post. You wanted arrogant elves, he gave arrogant elves.

Sounds like some magical realm tier fanfiction.

In most literature, elves are not arrogant.

>Well now you're just moving the goal post. You wanted arrogant elves, he gave arrogant elves.
Yes, but most races are arrogant and supremacist in that setting. Humans most of all.

>Why do fa/tg/uys hate elves?
Veeky Forums is actually entirely populated by dwarves. Frankly I'm surprised you didn't know.

Partly because Veeky Forums is elves, to the small extent elves have consistent aesthetic: old intellectual non-muscular perfectionist theorywankers engaged in endless arguments about minutiae that the outer world can't see the point of.

And partly because COPYPASTA ELVES, in two ways: one is copy of copy of copy of copy shit tier shit elves that get called "tolkien" despite having sweet fuck all to do with the Quendi, the other is the proliferation of gray elf, high elf, wood elf, dark elf, winged elf, moon elf, sun elf, star elf, shadow elf, strawberry shortcake elf, and a billion other "elf, but with chili" elftypes created when the author evidently needed to fill space and couldn't think of anything other than add moar elf.

>Veeky Forums is elves
Huh, I hadn't considered that.

But a lot of the time, in rpgs at least, they aren't. They get brought down to near human level for balance purposes, and so go from rightly condescending to baselessly smug

Because 90% of the time people who play elves are more imaginative and thoughtful about their characters and their backgrounds than other people are.

Unless they're playing drow, in which case they are the least imaginative and most hopelessly mediocre in their backgrounds.

All Veeky Forums knows how to play is dwarves, which is gold, beer, axes, and Scottish accents.

Okay, OP.

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2e d&d complete book of elves. One of the flavor stories involves an elf who was slighted by a dwarf in a minor way who waited a few hundred years for the dwarf to get old, kidnapped him, gave him the yodeling potato, then alternated between torturing and healing him for the rest of his life. Always chaotic good my ass.

Because at the end of the day elves have no reason to exist in most fantasy settings.

I dislike them as I'm yet to really see an example of them that stands out from the stereotypical crowd.

But that's just my issue for every race that isn't human honestly.

honestly I don't see the point of elves outside of lewd purposes. Most settings describe them as "beautiful humans with pointy ears that live forever".
I simply can't see how that is especially interesting. In fact the "lives forever" part just complicates things if we are talking about a D&D style RPG, if you've lived for 200 years you are probably not at level one.

Anyway, how do you make your elves interesting?

Well all intelligent races are ultimately based on humans. They all represent different aspects of human nature.

Elves would represent our love for art, music and nature while dwarves represent our love of wealth and craftsmanship. That's why they seem one dimensional.

That's how I interpret it anyway.

In my shitty homebrew, elves are only moderately longer lived than humans (150 years or so of functional life, then a different kind of "natural cause" death). They are decedents of fey which immigrated into the world after their own was destroyed, and while the true fey were actually ageless, their children were mortal, and subsequent generations became more and more like the other humanoid races of this world, both in terms of physiology and lifespan. Most current elves live among humans and aren't really seen as being fundamentally different, even though their origins are technically extraterrestrial. A few groups still live secluded and isolated away from the great cities of men, where they are led by the surviving first generation fey who were not picked off by disease or war or all the other ravages of time. And those elves are kinda buttmad about not being immortal like their ancestors. In terms of gameplay, elves have a bit extra magical attunement

It's not just elves, I hate all non-human races

GAS THE KNIFE EARS
RACE WAR NOW!

I hate them because they look nothing like my country man do, and I get a feeling they look a lot like british or american people do.

They don't live forever.

D&D elves live for roughly 750-800 years.

How can anyone NOT love elves? Especially brown elves? Especially the uncivilized, noble savage kind of brown elf? Especially the noble savage brown elf that's Veeky Forums as fuck and has powerful arms, thick thighs and toned abs? Especially the noble savage Veeky Forums brown elf that also goes on explicit manhunts to find a human husband because her species has a chronical shortage of men? Especially the noble savage Veeky Forums brown elf manhunter that's also a christmas cake and a tomboy that constantly wears sundresses and has a genki smile?

I want delicious brown elves to prove that Rousseau was right.

Thank you for your input Hadir al Saddam al Rasheed al Farook al Mohammed al Muhammad al Mahamood al Rakeem now fuck off

But rousseau was a hack

Wrong country dude. We hate muslims too, and unlike you americans we are efficient at removing the kebab.

I honestly believe that weeb elf fetishists are the reason that so many people hate elves.

Tolkien's elves were a noble race.

They are almost always mary sue garbage, I have no problem with them when they are decently written and have their own shortcomings, but most writers are garbage and they are happy with their "humans but better" elves

What country?

Also, as a britbong, I can assure you that we look nothing like elves. Most of us are overweight and unattractive.

He sounds like a rooskie

>Elves are fucking great
>Proceeds to list reasons why elves are irritating mary sues

That's the point, if you want a group of superpowerful influential beings they have no business being a mortal race, they should be actual fey or gods

>Tolkien's elves were a noble race.
Despite being pretty famous, popular and influential they're neither the first nor the only elves. In a Veeky Forums context, where "depends on the setting" is such a common responce, all elves are equally valid.

They are the first. Unless you count Santa's elves or elves from Irish folklore which are basically mischieveous fairies.

We hate elves because everyone after Tolkien focused on the wrong aspects of them, and because they are the go-to race for everyone from unoriginal retards that want to play something smug and superior to hamplanets that always play the pretty race.

We're sick of how nobody ever plays them as anything but humans with pointy ears.

And we're tired of how nerds like you get so defensive about never playing anything bur effeminate men with long hair, pointy ears and twitch reflexes.

You know that these kinds of elf-bait threads make it only worse? I love elves but I hate Veeky Forums's tendency of making 90% of threads about them a cesspool of shitposting.

If you really like elves make an elf apprecitaion thread, or a thread about elves you really like, or a thread that really is about elves in roleplaying and various systems.

Russia. Elfs do not look like us, there for they are ugly, americans do not look like us too, so they have to look ugly too. Brits are just an uglier version of americans, there for they look like elfs too.

>They are the first. Unless you count Santa's elves or elves from Irish folklore which are basically mischieveous fairies.
>not counting folklore elves
Literally everything wrong with fantasy RPGs

Don't blame them, that's how elves were designed to be, in D&D at least. It's retarded but it's true.

>Russians
>Calling anyone ugly

You already have folklore elves in the form of fairies, oophes, pixies, sprites, leprechauns, etc...

True. Everyone knows elfs are evil. Females drown women and children that go near streams or lakes. They switch children for elfs children at birth, which explains why some children do not look like their parent or are bad. They also carry plague and set fire hay stakcs. Root of all evil.

What has happened to you Veeky Forums?
Back in the day these questions would have a;already been answered by 10 Copypastas explaining in-depth why elves deserve all the shit they get.

Fëanor is the sole reason the world is so fucked, is arrogance and greed over the silmarils(to do things like make new allegory Suns even) is the reason the old gods began to withdraw
Elves call men the sickly race.
Elf king wouldn't let bëor tap his daughter cuz filthy human savages and jokingly gave him a suicide quest as his only hope of tapping day elf pucci.
Elves have always looked down on dwarves(pun intended) too, labeling them wrong for not appreciating nature, while dwarves were made bwern angel and blessed by god
Elves are arrogant in Tolkien and nobody can deny it

Please go back to /a/ where you can argue with the other faggots if marrying or raping elves is better. On Veeky Forums I want to talk about elves I can take serious.

Stop it Melkor, your old tricks don't work anymore.

prime escorts around the world are russian, also they are most seeked out to be bought for sesion in middle east. No one wants to buy ugly brits, and only americans that sell well look like russians.

And if you want to have a prime example of man, look at Putin. more then 100% of population finds him sexy, which western ruler can claim that.

Silence, snaga!
Back to the mutation pits with you!

Yes Russian women are attractive but your men are hideous. Probably due to fetal alcohol syndrome or radiation poisoning or some shit. Seriously most Russian men look like they have a mild form of down syndrome.

Putin is a balding faggot. He's ugly but he's an outdoorsman so props to him for that.

Nothing gets my homosexual blood pumping to my loins like balding old man with a flabby front torso.
Mmmmbaby

Don't forget that he's a 5'3 manlet.

Ugly? Then how come more then 100% of the population finds him sexy? And yes you twink looking elf britoamericans, will always claim that a Russian looks ugly, I get that, few non Russians can look good. And those that do probably have Russian blood in them.

Here's a non-Russian's perspective on things: the reason their women are beautiful and their men ugly are one and the same. Russia is an old-fashioned, patriarchal society. The kind you'd only see in Western Europe if you took a time machine to the 1940s. Their men still dominate, and are therefore allowed to be men. A negative effect of this is that men taking care of themselves is considered metrosexual faggotry (and let's be honest, the modern West has no shortage of metrosexual faggots). On the other hand, this also means their women are kept on a very tight leash. They're expected to work hard to remain pretty and expected to please and serve their men almost straight from birth. If you see a Russian man treating a beautiful woman like shit, it's because to his culture that woman is plain as fuck.

No wonder Eastern European women are pounced upon like an unattended cow in a lion's den once they enter the West. Having been raised with the expectation to please men and be demure, they're a fresh of breath air from the strong independent womyn who dun need no men unless they pay taxes for women-only projects. This is also why, almost without exception, Eastern European women who come to the West become massive sluts. They suddenly get a shitload of attention and men who are willing to throw money at them just because they exist.

tl;dr: Russians know how to deal with their women, that's why they're pleasant and pretty.

A Russian ruler is always the size of the country, there is no man bigger on earth then President Putin.

It seems like the radiation from Chernobyl has fried your brains ruskie.

Slavs are probably the ugliest race on the planet. You guys seriously look subhuman compared to germanic or anglo-saxon men.

Okay but they're still ugly.

LOL germanic. How many non Russian germans do you have east of Elba after 1945?
And one just has to look at your british ruyal family or prime ministers to see how good looking you are. All Russian rulers were loved by man and women inside and outside of the country, they have power and strenght. And you guys have what, some pig fuckers and a black dude . Sure sometimes you do get a great man, but most of the time it is someone like Trump, from a family of Russian jews, so practicly a Russian. A "pure" anglo saxon looks as if someone crossed an a-hole with a dental prosthetics

>bëor

Sure thing Pavel.

It's either bëor or beren, the book is so dense it's easy to mix names after 3 years since your last read through.
So fuck off

Because I play a naga who loves to eat elves.

But I like elves though. I play half-elves more than any other race.

>more then 100% of population finds him sexy
That's not mathematically possible. You got propaganda'd, Sergei.

He's trolling, hard.
Homosexuality's a huge taboo In Russia, no man, closeted or otherwise would admit to being aroused by puddin' tits putin there.

>Is it because every girl at your school had a crush on Orlando Bloom
I seem to recall one of my teachers having an Orlando Bloom poster.
On the back of the door of a storage cupboard big enough to walk into.
A long time ago now, but that's a fun thought

Nope. it is 100% population aka Russians. Then you get all the non people, chechens, chukchs, tatars aka muslims/non white people who aren't asians/those who didn't or don't work for military or goverment. This gives you 100%+ approval rate. It is normal for Putin to get 104-5% votes in Moscov for example. As he gets 100% off the people that can legaly vote, and then all the special delegats who can vote where ever they are at the time, plus the military who are not counted as part of the local population.

You can never tell with slavs. It's a combination of vodka, radiation and the negative effects of squatting on the nervous system. It leaves them incapable of saying anything apart from "Rush B cyka blyat idi nahui P90."

>you see vladimir, when you count non-voters as voters, your population become of mathematically impossible, so you can be of summon elder gods of squatting and vodka.

>shitty elfwank thread
>turned into A NU CHEEKI BREEKI IV DAMKE
Thank you, Veeky Forums.

>implying it wasn't an elf shitposting thread to begin with
Nice combination of doubles and trips, though.

looking at the royal family? what?

you do realize that they're the product of hundreds of years of inbreeding, right? as in, they've only just now began to not fuck their relatives.

i'm not saying that your average brit is beautiful, but your average british man is a hell of a lot better looking than your average russian man.

I had a good look at brits last week in france, and I find us looking much better and stronger too. brits are pussies, and if their hooligans look like pussies then their "normals" must look even worse.

I guess when you're a Russian man you develop different standards.

This is what Russians consider attractive.