HHG (Horus Heresy General)

You're getting a book for free, no other edition has given you that.

Trying to decide if I should give my tac sergeant a power fist or a meteor hammer. He's in a 20 man squad, probably absorbing challenges. On the one hand, a power fist is a power fist. On the other, the initiative bonus could be nice in case I come up against something not using a power fist, and I'm still likely wounding on 2s.

Do you want the enemy to have an armour save or not?

Sorry for not making the new thread guys. I kind slept in late when I should have made a new bread and started packing up for my family trip.

Thanks, m8. You're a saint.

Post rare Rogals

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Pick one for you and your legion.
Come on, fellas, don't ruin the thread.

>Come on, fellas, don't ruin the thread.
Can't handle the bantz

raven guard for you

> you never see the primarch cumming

That one is actually surpringly accurate

Long time Heresy fan here, I'm going to begin purchasing the components of my 500pt army and am looking for painting resources alongside advice on strategy.

I am forgoing a Legion and am instead going to be building a Blackshield army with the following 500pt starting list. It's pretty expensive, but its my starting target, at 750pts the idea is to include dedicated transports alongside some Terminators. After that its anyones suggestion as to what else should be purchased and added to the army.

In terms of lore the spin of my Blackshields will be they are a warband from one of the two redacted Legions, warriors seeking to obtain the power of the Golden Age of technology. Toying with names, I'm considering the Auric Circle or Auric order.

Army Wide Special Rules

Legiones Astartes (Blackshields)
Wrought by War: Chymeriae Attributes: Strength +1, Toughness +1, -1 Initiative, -1"Charge and Run distance, may not make Sweeping Advances.

Total: 501pts

1x Legion Delegatus: +65pts

2x Blackshield Marauder Squads: +436pts
+10 Blackshield Marauders
+18Boltguns
+2 Plasma Guns

>Not Baby-name sub-edition

Alpha Legion. Or Raven Guard. Or Alpha Legion pretending to be Raven Guard.

>501
Well, that's exactly one point too many.

Is there anything you can afford to trim?

Lovely. I won't have access to Adobe again until next Monday, so sadly the nice pdf will have to wait until then.

The Boltguns at +2pts per model, I could cut one of the plasma guns and switch the other to a missile launcher.

Drop a marauder and give your Delegates a power axe.

Sure, getting rid of armor is nice, but the unwieldy gives them a chance to kill him first, especially if they aren't unwieldy. I'm just trying to decide if the benefits of the increased initiative are worth giving up AP2. not a guaranteed kill, but allows me to not risk not being able to make my attacks to begin with

Why a Delegatus since blackshields can't take Rites of war? Save 15 points.

Gives him a master-crafted weapon and two rolls on the warlord chart.

>two rolls on the warlord chart.
I didn't know that, huh, you learn something new every day.

Painted a chaplain today.

Based scanon, thank you.

Let me say this.

Only Word Bearers kept their chaplains during/after the heresy out of the traitor legions.

I'm sorry, I needed to let out my inner-autist.
Though, it does look wonderful though! Very nice.

He's more of a warden, keeping the Nostraman scum in check.

Not necessarily true. We see in Kharn: Eater of Worlds a chaplain who refined his oratory skills to peach the rites and rituals of the Blood God. I'm sure there are plenty of other unique roles that chaplains could find in traitor legions that make use of their skills, even roles completely unrelated to the chaos gods.

Warped finecast maces like that make it look like the marine is running around slapping people on the battlefield with a giant floppy dildo. Other than that it looks great!

It's metal.

anyone have any experience with shapeways? Wanted to get some luna wolves shoulder pads from the site. Is quality generally good?

If you remind me tomorrow (at work now and busy all evening) I'll post pictures of the IF shoulders I got off Shapeways.

I'm looking at the Praevian and robbits again after the recent changes.

So EC robots can, for a flat 15 points, all get sonic shriekers. That seems really damn good between the boosted charges of LA: EC and reducing enemy weapon skill. Like a good unit of Vorax would be pretty nice.

Holy shit I thought you died

Praised be!

>Guilliman killed a legionnaire
So Alpharius failed to prove how his more flexible doctrine was superior to Guilliman's. The whole point of Guilliman's and Alpharius' feud was that Guilliman cared about honour and had his rigid tactics while Alpharius relied on extreme flexibility and didn't give a shit about honour. Guilliman killing Alpharius means that Alpharius wins their argument in the end because Guilliman had to resort to Alpharius' tactics and as a result succeeded in killing Alpharius. If Alpharius isn't killed it not only doesn't prove the superiority of Alpharius' doctrine because even when Guilliman resorted to Alpharius' doctrine and took him by surprise Alpharius still defeated him.

Unlike Curze who is an idiot who sees no difference between assassinating a madman and flaying millions of people alive Alpharius' death actually does provide vindication for what he had been saying, tactical flexibility is needed in warfare and honour is a hindrance.

It's fine. Have some Phalanx pattern Artificer Armour.

Jokes on you, I play Iron Warrios.

though I literally just picked up RG transfers from the post office because I am an indecisive fuck Still going to do Iron Beakies

No tower shield for 5++, 6/10 needs more armour

That's Tartaros pattern fortification armour, don't overdo it.

Rogal Dorn will forever sound like TTS-Dorn in my head.

But the Ultramarines never defeated the Alpha Legion on Eskrador, Alpharius had trained his troops to operate in case of the loss of their Primarch and the Ultramarines were ultimately forced to withdraw and bombard the planet from orbit.

Guilliman still succeeded in killing Alpharius which was a major victory nonetheless. The battle illustrates the ultimate success of Alpha Legion. Alpharius is only killed when Guilliman follow's Alpharius' doctrine on warfare and Alpharius created such an efficient legion that even with his death they were able to achieve victory. Without Alpharius' death the battle becomes "look how clever Alpharius is" with Guilliman still being proven right (following Alpharius' doctrine didn't help and probably caused more harm than good) and Alpha Legion proving nothing because they were being led by their primarch for the entire battle.

Having Alpharius live would be like Ferrus actually surviving and was commanding and fighting alongside Autek Mor during his campaigns. Takes a ton away from the Iron Hands if they only achieved significant victories in the Heresy when led by their primarch. Autek Mor is no longer the badass who crashed a moon onto the World Eaters, he is just a guy ordered to crash a moon into the World Eaters. Likewise Alpha Legion isn't some super organized legion if Alpharius lives, they are just a legion that managed to win a battle when led by their primarch and their opponent invested a ton of resources into a failed decapitation strike.

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>The battle illustrates the ultimate success of Alpha Legion. Alpharius is only killed when Guilliman follow's Alpharius' doctrine on warfare
Not content with stealing other legion's units and doctrines, Alpharius decides to steal Curze's vindication-in-death shtick.

>what are dark apostles

but how do you know Girlyman killed Alpharius?

How can one be certain that it wasn't just a random Alpharius pulling a Spartakus?

user, Dark Apostles are Word Bearers.

Oh boy, my dream of becoming a little girl is becoming a reality.

Your second paragraph would be better if the AL didn't have a twin primarch. Do we have any hint of what Omegon was doing around that time?

Not anymore, Dark Apostles are most well-known with the Word Bearers, but there's nothing stopping them from appearing in other Chaos Legions or warbands.

You still usually get subtle stripes from the printing process. They can be sanded down, but that's difficult if there's detail in relief. I don't think the savings are enough to be worth the added effort, not for pieces that should be smooth like pauldrons.

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Thanks for doing the edit I asked for.
And thanks for using my edit.

>Thanks for doing the edit I asked for.
I was going to make a traitor edit but I can't be bothered right now, I may do it later.

It isn't much in terms of savings, it is more because nobody makes luna wolves bits.

What if Alpharius replaced Gillman and was the one reforming the bureaucracy

I thought Omegon might have had doubts about the whole Chaos thing? I think it was mentioned in some story in which he and Alpharius was starting to differ in their feelings.

What would traitors be? Alpha Legion, Thousand Sons, Death Guard, World Eaters, and Iron Warriors?

the actual legions didn't matter to me as long as they were different. it was the armour mks i was highlighting

That would be too much of a Shyamalan-tier twist.

The female battleship captain in Betrayer is awesome, practically a World Eater herself. I didn't care for Angron or the World Eaters before, but it's a really well-written book. Really brings them to life.

I should wait until I've finished it, but... I've read enough to recommend it.

>recommending ADB

Is that homeless bird lady

Do you want another hotpocketing?

Blessings upon your house, scanon.

>Fire the Ursus doves!
I don't know about the others, but Lotara is great.

Alpha doesn't give a shit about honor. So why should Alpharius pay with his life for some dumb argument 'tween him and a meathed brother

Would a sniper veterans squad with a heavy flamer in a drop pod, for rending template fun, be a completely idiotic thing to do? I know Mor Deythan with rending combi-flamers is said to be really deadly, but then they do have 5-10 templates with rerolls to wound to maximise those rends.

Sweet autocarrot, bro.

Can't recommend Betrayer enough. By far the best HH book I've read.

Donating geneseed for Grey Knights?

He's probably Janus, isn't he?

I'd like Omegon to be Janus and Sevatar to be Khyron, but I haven't kept up on BL to know if it's going to be true or not.

Are you retarded? I am not claiming Alpharius let or should have let Guilliman kill him. The idea behind the whole story was Guilliman stuck to doctrine meaning he was easy to predict, giving Alpharius a big advantage. When Guilliman abandoned his doctrine in order to decapitate Alpha Legion's command structure Alpharius was taken by surprise because Guilliman wasn't following his doctrines, and as a result Alpharius was killed in the battle.

If Alpharius wins the battle anyway the story just becomes "Hurr Alpha Legion so sneaky, look at my dank memes, everyone is Alpharius."

isn't that already implied in the fluff?

Talk me out of turning all my Dark Angels into salamanders /IF

I havent won a single game with them in the last six games, always due to covenant of death

Patience,

wait until the special units come out, then consider changing, but not before that...

No.

You know you must Bear the Word.
Search for the Truth.

>Only Word Bearers kept their chaplains during/after the heresy out of the traitor legions.
Lucius kills a traitor EC chaplain during Isstvan III

Yes, my son. It is time you take your place as a bearer of the Word. We will bring truth to the Imperium. We will show my father how wrong he was.

But how were you playing? What did you do?

Guy who beat him here, we do 1500 points and he goes against me being WE and my mate being IW, and it always ends up as my butchers tearing apart his lines and the IW tanks rolling over him, he just needs more anti tank for the IW and more pie plates for the WE

post list m8

>1500 points
There's his problem, as they currently stand DA cannot be an effective force at such a points level due to their mediocre legion rules and their RoWs requiring a high points investment to play effectively.

Mmmmhmmm.
Since when the DA wear robes?

Is that the one that encourages you to take more numerous, smaller units?

Not him but most recent was

HQ
Preator- Terminator Armour, Volkite Charger, Paragon Blade, Digi lasers

Elites
Terminator Squad- 1 extra Terminator x3Lightning Claws, sarg has chainfist and multi melta

Contemptor - Two Kherexs Assualt Cannons

Troops

Tac Squad-Legion Vex, Artificer Armour, Calibanite War Blades
Tac Squad- same as above

Fast Attack
Legion skyhunter jetbike squadron- Acid Shells, Sarg has Calabinte war blade

Heavy Support
Preadtor- Heavy Botler Sponsons

Heavy Support Squad- Acid Shells, Artificer Armour

may have missed a few things out but that's the jist

The B@C, it reeks.

How many Jetbikes? I'd drop the Terminators and flesh out the rest. but that's just me.

Come now, abandon your false Emperor, and accept the gifts of Chaos!

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Yeah that's becuase his is b@c because he's NEET