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>Advanced Squad Leader
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Desired scans :
Black Powder supplements
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Hail Caesar! Late Antiquity to Early Medieval Army List
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest
Germany Strikes!
Bolt Action: Empire in Flames

20th of June in military history:

451 – Battle of Chalons: Flavius Aetius' battles Attila the Hun. After the battle, which was inconclusive, Attila retreats, causing the Romans to interpret it as a victory.
1620 – The Battle of Höchst in the Thirty Years' War.
1631 – The Sack of Baltimore: The Irish village of Baltimore is attacked by Algerian pirates.
1685 – Monmouth Rebellion: James Scott, 1st Duke of Monmouth declares himself King of England at Bridgwater.
1862 – Barbu Catargiu, the Prime Minister of Romania, is assassinated.
1900 – Boxer Rebellion: The Imperial Chinese Army begins a 55-day siege of the Legation Quarter in Beijing, China.
1940 – World War II: Italy begins an unsuccessful invasion of France.
1941 – The United States Army Air Corps is deprecated to being the American training and logistics section of what is known until 1947 as the United States Army Air Forces.
1944 – World War II: The Battle of the Philippine Sea concludes with a decisive U.S. naval victory. The lopsided naval air battle is also known as the "Great Marianas Turkey Shoot".
1944 – Continuation War: The Soviet Union demands an unconditional surrender from Finland during the beginning of partially successful Vyborg–Petrozavodsk Offensive. The Finnish government refuses.
1963 – The so-called "red telephone" link is established between the Soviet Union and the United States following the Cuban Missile Crisis.
1979 – ABC News correspondent Bill Stewart is shot dead by a Nicaraguan soldier under the regime of Anastasio Somoza Debayle. The murder is caught on tape and sparks an international outcry against the regime.

It is 1,565 years since the Battle of the Catalaunian Plains (or Fields), also called the Battle of Châlons or the Battle of Maurica. It was fought between a coalition led by the Roman general Flavius Aetius and the Visigothic king Theodoric I, against the Huns and their vassals commanded by their king Attila. It was one of the last major military operations of the Western Roman Empire, although Germanic federates composed the majority of the coalition army. The battle was strategically inconclusive: the Romans stopped the Huns' attempt to establish vassals in Roman Gaul, and installed Merovech as king of the Franks. However, the Huns successfully looted and pillaged much of Gaul and crippled the military capacity of the Romans and Visigoths.

In the years preceding 450, Roman control over Gaul and its other outlying provinces had grown weak. That year, Honoria, the sister of Emperor Valentinian III, offered her hand in marriage to Attila with the promise that she would deliver half the Western Roman Empire as her dowry. Long a thorn in her brother's side, Honoria had earlier been married to Senator Herculanus in an effort to minimize her scheming.

Accepting Honoria's offer, Attila demanded that Valentinian deliver her to him. This was promptly refused and Attila began preparing for war. His planning was also encouraged by the Vandal king Gaiseric who wished to wage war on the Visigoths. Marching across the Rhine in early 451, Attila was joined by the Gepids and Ostrogoths. Through the first parts of the campaign, Attila's men sacked town after town including Strasbourg, Metz, Cologne, Amiens, and Reims. As they approached Aurelianum (Orleans), the city's inhabitants closed the gates forcing Attila to lay siege. In northern Italy, Magister militum Flavius Aetius began mustering forces to resist Attila's advance.

Moving into southern Gaul, Aetius found himself with a small force consisting primarily of auxiliaries. Seeking aid from Theodoric I, king of the Visigoths, he was initially rebuffed. Turning to Avitus, a powerful local magnate, Aetius finally was able to find assistance. Working with Avitus, Aetius succeeded in convincing Theodoric to join the cause as well as several other local tribes. Moving north, Aetius sought to intercept Attila near Aurelianum.

Word of Aetius' approach reached Attila as his men were breaching the city's walls. Forced to abandon the attack or be trapped in the city, Attila began retreating northeast in search of favorable terrain to make a stand. Reaching the Catalaunian Fields, he halted, turned, and prepared to give battle. On June 19, as the Romans approached, a group of Attila's Gepids fought a large skirmish with some of Aetius' Franks. Despite foreboding predictions from his seers, Attila gave the order to form for battle the next day. Moving from their fortified camp, they marched towards a ridge that crossed the fields.

There are no conclusive assessments of each armies' strength; with estimates ranging from 30-50,000 on each side.

Playing for time, Attila did not give the order to advance until late in the day with the goal of allowing his men to retreat after nightfall if defeated. Pressing forward they moved up the right side of the ridge with the Huns in the center and the Gepids and Ostrogoths on the right and left respectively. Aetius' men climbed the left slope of the ridge with his Romans on the left, the Alans in the center, and Theodoric's Visigoths on the right. With the armies in place, the Huns advanced to take the top of the ridge. Moving quickly, Aetius' men reached the crest first. Taking the top of the ridge, they repulsed Attila's assault and sent his men reeling back in disorder. Seeing an opportunity, Theodoric's Visigoths surged forward attacking the retreating Hunnic forces.

As he struggled to reorganize his men, Attila's own household unit was attacked forcing him to fall back to his fortified camp. Pursuing, Aetius' men compelled the rest of the Hunnic forces to follow their leader, though Theodoric was killed in the fighting. With Theodoric dead, his son, Thorismund, assumed command of the Visigoths. With nightfall the fighting ended.

The next day, Attila prepared for the expected Roman attack. In the Roman camp, Thorismund advocated assaulting the Huns, but was dissuaded by Aetius. Realizing that Attila had been defeated and his advance stopped, Aetius began to assess the situation. He knew that if the Huns were destroyed, that the Visigoths would likely end their alliance with Rome and would become a threat. To prevent this, he suggested that Thorismund immediately return to the Visigoth capital at Tolosa to claim his father's throne. Thorismund agreed and departed with his men. Aetius used similar tactics to dismiss his other Frankish allies before withdrawing with his Roman troops. Initially believing the Roman withdrawal to be a ruse, Attila waited several days before retreating back across the Rhine.

Like many battles in this time period, precise casualties are not known. Primary sources immediately note the battle for being exceptionally bloody. Prosper Tiro of Aquitaine states that the battle was a mass slaughter, writing immediately afterwards others state or indicate the casualties were extreme.

The philosopher Damascius stated that the fighting was so severe "that no one survived except only the leaders on either side and a few followers: but the ghosts of those who fell continued the struggle for three whole days and nights as violently as if they had been alive; the clash of their arms was clearly audible". A further reason for the reputation of this battle is that it was the first major battle since the death of Constantine I where a predominantly Christian force faced a predominantly pagan opponent.

>For, if we may believe our elders, a brook flowing between low banks through the plain was greatly increased by blood of the slain. It was not flooded by showers, as brooks usually rise, but was swollen by a strange stream and turned into a torrent by the increase of blood. Those whose wounds drove them to slake their parching thirst drank water mingled in gore. In their wretched plight they were forced to drink what they thought was the blood they had poured from their own wounds.

While historians will never entirely agree on the details (they're not even sure where it was fought), this battle is one of the biggest and bloodiest of its era, and begs to be reproduced on the tabletop. The relative balance of forces means either side could pursue a more comprehensive victory than the historical result, and there are plenty of colorful units and troop types.

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Why cant I have world war 2 games set 1500 years ago, my friend keeps getting mad when I state the campaign is in 500 AD but apparently thats a no go but its my gaem so why not

wtf?

> 1940 – World War II: Italy begins an unsuccessful invasion of France.

You don't say.

Shush now. We just put those candystripes on our ships because it makes them look bitching, not because of poor coordination between the branches of our military really!

I love the Regia Marina, and by extension the Italian military because individually they were awesome, but together they were terrible.

Well, nobody ever said the Italians don't have style.

That's what happens when you send untrained, poorly led conscripts into suicidal WW1-era attacks with shitty leadership in terrible terrain and freezing weather. Mussolini was such a dick.

Always noticed a lot of women in the modern Alpini

> WW1-era attacks

Hey now, Mussolini was arguably not *quite* as incompetent as Cadorna.

Oh man, that guy.

> He did something really stupid because I told him to and will probably die because of it.
> What a hero

WWI.webm

Please tell me about all the glorious Italian military successes.

They were moderately successful for a time in Africa against the Brits though, weren't they?


Also, anybody here play Crossfire? It's the first game I'm interested in since leaving 40k several years ago. I'm currently painting up a company of British infantry (holy shit I forgot how long this takes) but I'm concerned the only people I'll be able to play with will be twice my age.

I'm not interested in /int/-tier nationalistic dickwaving and memeswapping, but no serious military historian would ever subscribe to uniformly condemning Italy's performance in WW2. As my friend Rex Trye - author of "Mussolini's Soliders", a definitive study - says, the issue was never the quality of the soldiers, but how they were used. No-one was interested in dying for Greece or in the Libyan wastes; Mussolini's vainglory was the last thing worth fighting for. But when inspired by decent leadership and a worthwhile cause, they fought as hard as any combatant in WW2. Examples include the Decima Flottiglia MAS, the most successful naval special forces unit of WW2; the partisans, who liberated swathes of countryside and fought a long, bitter counterinsurgency; and the
Italian Co-belligerent Army which won the respect of its erstwhile enemies in the US 5th and British 8th Armies. Compton Mackenzie - official historian of the Indian Army in WW2 - ranked the Italian defence of Keren in March 1941 as being on a par with the Japanese defence in Burma.

The popular conception of the Italian military incompetent owes a lot to British comedy of the 70s and 80s, which often recycled the "Captain Bertarelli" trope - the Italian soldier as ice-cream salesman.

Was reading this set of reports on a FB group, sounds like exactly the kind of campaign I'd love to run.


We are currently fighting a WWII Med campaign in our Firday night game club. The campaign is a hypothetical where the French navy is seized by the Italians and integrated into the RM navy. This action was a British effort to intercept a critical Italian convoy bound for North Africa. The British fleet consists of the BBs Pince of Wales, Repulse, Valiant, Revenge, and the Free French Lorrain, escorted by London, Berwick and a dozen destroyers out of Alexandria. The Italian convoy is escorted by the battleships Vittorio Vineto, Strassbourg, Cavour, Provence, Ocean,and Paris with an escort of Goriziz, Primauguet and sveral Capitanis along with a dozen destroyers.

The game started with map movement as both sides hunted each other. British search aircraft kept track of the convoys progress and the British fleet closes in. At 1330 on Dec11 1942 The British destroyer HMS ILex begins the action after bumping into several italian destroyers. The Ilex turns to run, while the main British force turns south to close on the action. The Italian cruiser squadron also closes on the destroyer action.

The Italian cruisers are badly outmatched as Prince of Wales and Repulse open fire at 18,000 yards. An early 14" hit cripples Gorizia and she is unable to escape. London and Berwick close on the burning and crippled Gorizia and a half dozen 8" hits end her misery.

The Italian battlefleet swings into action on a northerly course led by Vinetto and Srassbourg. A long range duel begins with the British attempting to get around the convoy escort. A determined destroyer attack by the Brits force the Italians to turn to the west avoiding the torpedoes, but losing two destroyers in the attack.

Cont.

While Vineto and Strassbourg turn to avoid torpedoes the old French battleships fight on against the British line. Provence is disabled in the action and forced out of line. Her gunnery however pummels Repulse and she too is forced to withdraw. Revenge puts on a gunnery school during the action hitting Ocean with five 15" shells in four salvos. One of the 15" shells plunges through Oceans limited deck armor dealing a lethal blow to the old battleship. She rolls over and sinks with heavy loss of life.
Valiant and the Free French battleship Lorraine are also heavily damaged. Both ships suffer engineering damage and are slowed to 12 Knots. Lorrain has also lost her gun director and "Y" turret. Just as the shattered Italian old battleships break off the action and it appears the convoy will be destroyed, Vineto and Strassbourg rejoin the fight. In a tremedous 30 min duel they hold off the British. Strassbourg firing "A" turret at Revenge and "B" turret under local control on Lorrain manages to slow Revenge to 9 knots forcing her to withdraw. She also knocks out several guns on Lorrain. With only 4 guns under local control and fires as well as engineering damages she joins Revenge in withdrawing. Mean while Vineto quickly knocks Valiant out of line. Valiant had already been hit by 4-13.4" shells and3-12" shells. In the 30 minute action she is hit by no fewer then 10-15" shells. Vineto also is able to penetrate "Y" turret on POW thus knocking out 4 14" guns. She decides to call it a day as the rest of the battleship line withdraws behind destroyer smoke screens.

Further south the Berwick and London, who had seperated from the main force closed on the convoy at high speed. A force of five Italian destroyers from the close escort charge in. They are joined by three Capitani Romani's in thier desperate attack. Two destroyers are sunk during the action but their torpedoes force the British cruisers to turn away.

cont.

Closing at high speed the Capitanis open a blistering fire with their 5.3" guns hitting London 22 times and Berwick 12. The Capitani's also pay the price. Their lightly armored sides are soon peppered by the Britsh force. They limp away to escape behind a smoke screen layed by three Tigre destroyers and the gun fire from the cruiser Primauguet.

The British are determined to get the convoy and again attempt to close. The hero of the hour is the Paris , Having been pounded and crippled by Repulse and POW, she had been limping south toward the convoy. She now takes the British cruisers under fire and scores two hits on London. The Cavour also shows up on the horizon (she had been slowed to 12 knots but her damage control teams put another boiler back on line and returned her to 12 knots. Both cruisers break off action turning back to the north east.

The battle was crippling to both side with the heaviest loss being the Italians with a battleship, heavy cruiser and three destroyers sunk. The British also lost two destroyers, but their major ships are heavily damaged. POW will require 171 days of repair. Valiant the worst hit will require more then 200 days of dry dock time.

We started the action at about 6:15 pm with map movement and finished at about 10:15 pm. We use "In Harms Way" for our campaign and game rules. You can find information on Kickstarter. We are in the last 16 days of the project. We look forward to some of you joining the project. If you have any questions about the rules you can ask them on the Kickstarter page.

Second report they posted:

Action in the Med.

The game clubs action Friday night was a great one. The game was a massive Italian undertaking to supply and reinforce North Africa. The Brits have invaded Libya from Egypt. Their forces broke through Italian lines and were racing for Tobruk only to be stopped by a newly arrived DAK division. The situation is critical for the Italians. Tobruks harbor has also been heavily damaged by allied air attacks.

The Italians devise a plan involving three convoys (over 40 transports and cargo vessels). They plan on transporting a full German division to Benghazi, additional supplies and support units to Tripoli and finally the main effort, 25 ships with supplies and reinforcements for Tobruk. Each convoy has its own close escort of 4 to 6 destroyers, in addition the Tobrok bound force has the old armored cruiser San Giorgio and a light cruiser. For protection against any British interdiction the Italians muster a very powerful surface force. It contains the Battleships Littorio,Vittorio Veneto, Cesare in one force and Jean Bart, Strasbourg and Dunkerque in a second. A third force of the heavy cruisers Fiume and Suffren with the light cruiser Duca Daosta complete the heavy escort. A dozen destroyers including 5 big French Contre Torpilleurs escort the cover force. Scouting is done by a force of Capitani Romani's.

The Brits in Alexandria know about the relief effort and realize they need to stop it. They can muster six battleships, Nelson, Rodney, Queen Elizabeth, and three R's, Ramillies, Revenge and Royal Sovereign. The main battle line is escorted by three of the large light cruisers, Ceylon, Gambia and Jamaica. The Naiad and Phoebe give the force additional anti air capability. Fourteen destroyers round the force out. When word comes that the Italian fleet has left Toranto the British sail.

Several air attacks are launched by the Brits in an effort to attrit the convoys. The German X FliegerKorp takes a break from pounding Malta to supply air cover with the Italian airforce. Several air strikes are broken up with heavy British losses. One flight of attack aircraft, Beaufort's, Blenheim's and lend lease Avengers broke through. They damaged one transort and sunk another.

The Italians reached a point just north of Benghazi and each convoy continued on to their final destination. The Tobruk convoy had a hard rode ahead. The Brits had been able to keep close tabs and closed on the convoy to make contact first thing on the morning of thr third day. Over night they detached the Naiad and Phoebe with 4 destroyers. They were sent west at high speed to close on the convoy from the rear, while the main force closed from the east. The plan worked to perfection. As the sun was coming up, and float planes were being readied reports came in of British ships approaching from the west. As the Italian commander was contemplating this a second report from the Capitani's reported British destroyers closing fast from the east.

The Italians detached their Cruisers and the force of large french destroyers to lay smoke and delay the western British force. The Battleships surged ahead to close on the British eastern force. The Convoy turned to the south east to close on the coast 50 miles away and continue on to Tobruk..

The action began at 0620 hrs when three Capitani's opened fire on four British destroyers( two groups of two 10,000 yds apart.) For fifteen minutes the two groups of ships battle it out. The large British light cruisers show up second forcing the Italian Capitani's to turn away, but they have done their Job. One British Destroyer is sunk and another dead in the water from an engineering hit. The Capitani's know they have been in a fight however and limp away form the bigger British cruisers.

The Squadron of Jean Bart, Strabourg and Dunkerque roar in from the West forcing the British cruisers to recoil. A parting 6" shell however penetrates the deck of Cao Mario one of the Capitani's and the ship blows up as its magazine ignites.

Ramillies and Royal Sovereign come in to save their little brothers. At 18,000 yards they begin to trade broad sides with the Italian battleline. A second British collumn with the Nelson and Rodey in the lead come in to support the two old "R's". The Italian 1st Battle Squadron also arrives only to be forced to turn south and west to avoid torpedoes from the dead in the water British destroyer. Secondary guns quickly sink her.

The Italians are sailing in a southerly or south eaterly course while the Brits are sailing in a west by northwesterly course threating to get by the Italians. The Italians turn 180 degrees disrupting their fire for a time. Both sides have been dishing out punishment during these early manuevers. Nelson and Rodney concentrate on the two Littorio's, while the Q.E. and Revenge fire on Caesar. The old Italian battleship is forced out of line and limps east at 12 knots.

The modern Italian ships prove themselves however absorbing punishment from the two Nelson while they concentrate fire on the R'S and Q.E. Ramilies is first to turn out. A rain of 15" shells from Jean Bart and 13" shells from Strasbourg, have slowed her to 6 knots. With two turrets knocked out and a series of serious fires she turns out of line and is covered by a hasty smoke screen from destryers. Revenge now has two 13" battleships firing at her as the range closes to 12,000 yards. Jean Bart turns her guns on Revenge.

Ramillies takes 12-13" hits in 10 minutes. Her smaller hull and weaker deck armor have left her seriously crippled. She too turns away at 6 knots. The Revenge and Q.E. are now being doubled on while the Littorio keeps the two bigger 16" gunned Nelsons at bay. Revenge soon joins her sisters running for the smoke screens. The Light cruisers who have been adding their annoying 6" gun fire now attract heavy fire from Strasbourg and Dunkerque. Several 13" hits wreck Gambia and the three light cruisers decide to turn away.

Nelson, Rodney and the Q.E. now must face five modern battleships in order to get at the convoy. At this time a collumn of Italian destroyers led by one of the lightly damaged Capitani's loom into site ahead of the British battleline less then 10,000 yards away and closing fast. The British admiral is forced to make the hard decision and turns away. The Q.E. reports heavy damage and states she is unable to continue the action. It is decided to withdraw.

Mean while to the rear of the convoy the British play a game of cat and mouse exchanging long range fire with Italian destroyers laying smoke. Some time around 0800 the Italians have determined that the rear force of British is just the two AA cruisers and some destroyers. The Italian cruisers bust through the smoke and begin to engage. 8" and 6" hits soon convince the Naiad and Phoebe to run for it. Reports of the main battlelines withdrawl and they are to rejoin for the slow trip back to Alexandria ends the action.

The convoy gets through to Tobruk. The Italian Battlefleet has sustained heavy damage to the two Littorio's and the Caesar, but the other battleships are in good shape. The loss of one Capitani to a magazine explosion is the only combat ship lost. Several destroyers report varied amounts of damage.

The British have lost three destroyers, with several others damaged. All their cruisers have been damaged to some degree as well, especially Gambia having been hit by two 13". The main battle line is a mess. All three R's will require months of repair along with the Q.E. What is worse the Italians have resupplied Tobruk and landed another German division.

This action was fought using "In Harms Way". We started gaming at 6:15pm and finished around 10:45pm (a little late for us, but this was a rather complex game with lots of map movement and a divide surface action. There was also a lot of air action. "In Harms Way" is currently on Kickstarter with only two weeks to go. We are looking for many of you to join our campaign

No commanding officer on the Italian side, no wonder they got slaughtered so badly. Or maybe he was so ashamed, that he managed to edit the wiki, so nobody will remember about his fuckup.

> The French commander's name is literally Big Charlie.

>Gros Charles
As in "Fat Charlie"?

As in the King Charlie the Fat.

It's probably how the Italian officer got his revenge.

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tBh Senpai my club terrain is more serviceable than pretty to look at.

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>Fat Charlie
French win because their co is a demigod. Fiat! FIAT!

I want to gather two historical armies and casual game forever with my bro when we have a few beers and want to wind down without worrying and bookkeeping much, what should i get? 1/72 scale seems good about quality/price. It could be medieval-ancient but any opinion and suggestion is welcome, thanks in advance!

Build two forces of ACW irregulars of some kind and fight patrols vs probing actions/recon?
That actually sounds kind of fun come to think of it.

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For casual play with beers, I would actually suggest a slightly larger scale and SAGA.

Something with pirates. I have no systems to suggest but pirates are fun.

Or cowboys, cowboys are also fun.

And what brand/series of miniatures you suggest?

Gripping Beast. Either their plastics or their metals, depending on which you prefer. If you want to go with horses, I would recommend Conquest Games and their plastic Normas as an alternative.

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Furthermore, we can add, Italy was a non-industrial, non-developed country trying to fight an Industrial war against rather more effective powers. Let's sum that up with the, bluntly put, criminal disorganization of the higher ups (I can't read about Greece without laughing in despair) and a logistical system that would have sent Satan himself crying in a corner.

"Out of their league" is the best description we can give to the Italian soldier, wasted in a war he had no role for, he was not trained to fight, and without the proper equipment. This does not avoid us saying that the vast majority of the italian political and military class was a bunch of morons and deserved to be shot. Poor, poor fucks. Mussolini deserved what he got.

regiamarina.net/detail_text_with_list.asp?nid=35&lid=1&cid=7

Doesn't help that British propaganda during the war and that fact that they were victors meant that they heavily played down or outright ignored Italian successes when they could.

>The Fucile Mitragliatore Breda modello 30 was the standard light machine gun of the Royal Italian Army during World War II.

>The Breda 30 was rather unusual for a light machine gun. It was fed from a fixed magazine attached to the right side of the weapon and was loaded using brass or steel 20-round stripper clips. If the magazine or its hinge/latch were damaged the weapon became unusable. It also fired from a closed bolt along with using blowback for its action. The blowback operation was violent, and often resulted in poor primary extraction. During primary extraction, the initial very small rearward movement of the hot expanded cartridge case away from the chamber's walls must be powerful but very slow, if an automatic weapon is to be reliable. Separated cases resulting in jamming of the weapon beyond field clearing, were usually the consequence of poor primary extraction. Breda 30 also inherently lacked good primary extraction in its design and thus utilized a small lubrication device that oiled each cartridge as it entered the chamber. With the dust and sand of the deserts of North Africa, came a combination of premature wear and jamming.

>As an automatic weapon's chamber and barrel heat up with prolonged automatic fire, the resulting excessive temperature can cause a chambered round to cook off or ignite without intent of the gunner. As a result of firing from a closed bolt, the Breda 30 could not fully take advantage of the cooling properties of air circulation like an open bolt weapon would, thus making cooked off rounds a realistic hazard. The disastrous results could lead to potential injuries to or even the death of the gunner.

Anyone feels generous enough tonight/day/whatever it is wherever you are to buy it for a poorfag?

bundlestars.com/en/bundle/graviteam-tactics-bundle

same

>94% off

WHAT THE FUUUU

everyone buy this

> You save £108.02 (96%)

Yeah, I know...still, not even 6 euros on my bank acc.

Feels bad, man.

If you like user, you can have the keys to the stuff I already had on Steam. This being:

> The base Operation Star game
> Operation Hooper
> Shield of the Prophet
> Zhalanashkol 1969

I would love you eternally for that. If you'd be so kind to send it to tamas872[at]freemail[dot]hu, I promise I'll name my first child after you.

sent

Thanks - did not arrive yet, hopefully it did not get eaten by the mail client. In case it would, I'll make a 10 minute email address.

Much appreciated again.

If it doesn't show up let me know and I can resend.

Doooo eeeet

Got it, activating now.

Thank you very much, you are a scholar and gentleman!

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Go crush some commies/nazis, user.

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/hwg/ is truly my favourite general, you people are so kind to each other

im rock hard

One day, DutchAnon, I'm going to find out where you live and turn up at your door with my 6mm Napoleonics and force you to play me.

Consider this your formal warning.

A true genius.

> So, it is-a decided, we attack-a along the Isonzo river!
> But general! We've-a tried this so a-many times!
> You-a know what-a they say, Lieutenant! If at-a first you don't-a succeed-a!
> Mama mia!

>pervitin is meth

jesus christ the germans gave their soldiers fucking meth?

Yes.

Well I guess they wouldnt live long enough to have the lasting issues associated with it

Funny thing is, some shitty places north from here he's still praised as a hero.

WHERE? I mean, Cadorna as a butcher is common knowledge. Hell, they taught that to me when I was in elementary school.

Or you mean that the Austrians regard him as a hero? That would make sense.

why is sloped armour good?

It increases the effective thickness of the armor.

??????

They named a light cruiser subclass after him just before WWII. I would have figured it would have been an ill-favored namesake, but that particular ship survived, while the entire preceding subclass and it's fellow classmate were all sank. Having seen that clip now, I guess the ship inherited his own stupid, unflinching luck.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloped_armour

Reminds me of one of the battles in late 1944/early 1945 described in The Forgotten Soldier.

Grossdeutchland attacked some kind of small factory complex and everything was burning

Japanese too. That's how they had the prewar marching records where they covered 100 miles in 3 days or whatever the actual numbers we're.

Panzerschokolade is meth too

Geometry, son.

I thought it just made shots bounce

Why are wehraboos so common, nearly any ww2 game I see either Veeky Forums or /v/ most people will pick germans

To be fair the Germans did have snappy uniforms, so they're appealing to me at least from a modelling perspective.

Its just infuriating looking up tutorials for graviteam tactics and the guy pretty much doesnt even mention the russians.

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so they dont bounce at all, weird

Sometimes they do bounce or otherwise deform the projectile and deflect some of the energy. Seriously, read the article. It explains all of this.

They'll deflect a bit, if a projectile hits a surface perpendicularly then all the force is in the x direction. If it hits at an angle then there will be a component of the force in the y direction as well, which will lessen the force in the x direction.

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Germans were just so far ahead of other nations in terms of tactics and equipment.

They were the first ones to fire HEAT rounds from their tanks, in 1942.

And their tanks look based as fuck which doesn't help other nations

BMP

But I don't have a Steam account, or a PC or any time to play /v/. I saw a discount and thought "OOH! Cheap minis."

>not

I believe the Americans did too. Back then people didnt realize how bad meth was for you, they viewed it kind of like we'd view a redbull now.

Hitler took the damn things daily, hence part of the reason he lost his damn mind toward the end

in no particular order

>tigers
>snappy uniforms
>first to use many modern weapons, equipment and tactics
>people like playing the "bad guy"
>in order to have a fairly even playerbase, you need 3 germans for every Brit/American/Slav.
>Germans fought almost everywhere except the pacific, so its easy to have models for any campaign/situation
>tanks come in colors besides "green" and "whitewash over green"
>every branch had very different uniforms, making painting more varied
>Lots of secret weapons and bizarre tech compared to other nations like the first combat jets, guided missiles, and night vision
>armies usually require less models than most, making it cheaper, especially as everyone and their mom sells Germans

I always thought tigers were ugly as fuck. Literally a big murder box.

Panthers are nice looking, but Panzer IIIs are my favorite. Even pz.IIs looks pretty damn cute

The puma is pretty fucking tidy. And the Jagpdanther looks sleek af. StugIIIs of course have their charm too.

I personally prefer the aesthetics of many other nations tanks.

I feel like the only one who thinks the german uniforms look dopey, dont like them at all

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