Welcome everyone, new and old players alike! This is Tundra civ, a civ thread series in a fictional, non-fantasy setting where you play as the rulers of the White Republic, a nation in a world similar to our own. Check out the pastebin for story, technologies, stats etc (updating it right now) pastebin.com/t7gWa2pa And an archive of previous threads if you want to skim through some of them. archive.4plebs.org/_/search/boards/pol.tg/subject/Civ/username/Civ bulgar/page/1/ Previously on Tundra civ: Days of peace are upon us once more after the end of the Second World War. We have rebuilt our ruined cities and strengthened our economy and at last, the dream of many whites has come true - our nation is the first to land an astronaut on the barren moon!That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind!
>A.Improve economy >B.Culture & Religion >C.Construction >D.Improve military >E.Improve navy >F.Government & Laws >G.Research & Development >H.Diplomacy & War
Charles Roberts
>G.Research & Development a step isn't enough!
Justin Kelly
Good evening guys! Won't be able to stick around unfortunately, got stuff happening and such. >G.Research & Development Satelites, space stations, moonbase, alien babes. We're gonna have it all.
Mason Wood
With more confidence in the RSEA's abilities, the government has allocated more funds for space exploration. What should we focus our efforts on now? A.Further space flight development, moon missions, etc. B.Building and sending satellites into orbit C.Development of long-term extraterestrial habitation
Nicholas Kelly
>C.Development of long-term extraterestrial habitation
Xavier Anderson
>C.Development of long-term extraterestrial habitation or at least space habitation. An ISS style space station would be a start.
Hunter Roberts
We'll aim for the most ambitious possible project - the establishment of a space station! Give me one 1d100 roll
Jeremiah Evans
Rolled 31 (1d100)
is ambition a luxury we can afford? let's find out!
Adrian Parker
>is ambition a luxury we can afford? no
Nolan Morgan
The project of establishing a space station has been set as the long-term goal of the RSEA for the coming 15 years. Current technological and financial limitations are setting us back - it is work that will take many years.
>A.Improve economy >B.Culture & Religion >C.Construction >D.Improve military >E.Improve navy >F.Government & Laws >G.Research & Development >H.Diplomacy & War
Leo Campbell
>31 Terrorist hijack?
James Powell
>>B.Culture & Religion
Jeremiah Butler
>B.Culture & Religion
Adam Peterson
>F.Government & Laws Let's modernize our gorvenemental infrastructure a bit, we won the race to the moon but let's see if we can win a race to the computer age by arming our govenemental institution with supercomputer for data analisys! Could lead to interesting developpements if we focus on tech races.
Carson Diaz
B it is A.Sports B.Arts C.Propaganda D.Religion E.Education F.Events/other
Jaxon White
>E.Education
Luke Sullivan
>D.Religion
Sebastian Smith
>E.Education it was one of the promises of the other candidate. I'm sure he'll be ok with fulfilling it and winning the opposition. Plus with the ever changing world of technology we need the school to keep up the pace.
Julian Ramirez
Educational reform! Submitted as a proposal by Councilman and former candidate for Chancellor, Leir Uppon, Council, Congress and the Chancellor will now negotiate on the details of the proposed reforms. The educational system in the White Republic is considered the best in the world and has a long, well-established tradition with three phases -mandatory primary education until the age of 13 and free secondary education till 18. Primary education is the same across the board in state and temple schools, while secondary branches out into more specialised paths - general academic, vocational and professional varieties. Tertiary education is found in universities, colleges and academies - a variety of scholarships and stipends from state and church programs exist. Choose as many propositions as you want. A.Allow private schools and scholarships that follow the basic parameters of state education B.Make secondary education mandatory C.Make state-owned tertiary education "free"(payed for by taxes) D.Put a larger focus on STEM and professional education E.Abolish temple-schools F.No drastic changes, just focus on modernising the existing educational system G.Other
Levi White
>C.Make state-owned tertiary education "free"(payed for by taxes)
David Wright
>C.Make state-owned tertiary education "free"(payed for by taxes) Also if we could modernize by spending a part of our budget and reserve to modernize school infrastructures as well, it would perfect.
Isaiah Nguyen
B.Make secondary education mandatory
Logan Torres
Note: Choose as many propositions as you want.
Ryder Scott
In that case: >A.Allow private schools and scholarships that follow the basic parameters of state education >B.Make secondary education mandatory >C.Make state-owned tertiary education "free"(payed for by taxes)
Eli Taylor
That's not a good idea because it would make young people lose the flexibility of being able to learn a trade from their early life. As an example, somebody that clearly isn't fit for studies can still quit secondary education and instead work as a craftsman or as an industry worker thus learning the in outs of the job early and therefore having an easier time getting promotions later. my only concern would be that we could actually raise primary education to up to 15. Just two more years and then secondary education up to 20 years. Of course doing this would cause us to offer more specialized and diverse programs but if we have the infrastructure to back it up it should be even better. ok then i add my previous proposition >G. go for a more specialized and diverse program depending on specialization, also raise primary to up to 15 and secondary to up to 20.
Elijah Stewart
changed to
Zachary Morgan
I say A C and D, But don't make C free, make it cheaper, Like fund only half or 3 quarters of Tuition.
Liam Cook
remenber that's it free only if you succeed the secondary educations tests.
Oliver Morris
Fair, but if at least half is paid for, then you should be fine to pay for the other half, and if you did really well, scholarships exist.
Connor Wright
I support this
And let them have it for free if they do very well.
David Wood
The compromise that was reached was to allow private schools and stipends, tax-paid tertiary education and making mandatory primary education until the age of 15 and to make secondary education more varied, lasting between 3 and 5 years and with a more modern focus - electricians, mechanics and such are more valuable than blacksmiths and potters nowadays. Added a new tab to the stats - state of the Treasury - the new reform will take quite a bit of money and the costs will likely continue to rise over the next years as university attendance increases.
>A.Improve economy >B.Culture & Religion >C.Construction >D.Improve military >E.Improve navy >F.Government & Laws >G.Research & Development >H.Diplomacy & War
Nathan Kelly
>>A.Improve economy
Isaiah Allen
A
Nolan Fisher
A Improve Economy
Josiah Howard
>A.Improve economy time to fill the piggy bank!
Oliver Wilson
We've gone into a deficit once again and have just started borrowing money to cover our expenditure. What shall we do? Major sources of revenue are income tax, sales taxes, tariffs and various other taxes on certain goods or transactions. Major spending sources are: >National defence(30%, recently cut down from over 60% during the war and 45 % before the war) >Healthcare(all paid for by the government, 20% of the budget) >Science spending(20%) >Education(8% and rising) >Social programs(8%) >Administartion(2%) >Other national programs-transportation(12%) A.Raise taxes B.Cut military spending C.Reduce healthcare spending D.Cut down on social spending and other programs E.Allow private enterprise in the spheres of transportation, healthcare, education, pensions etc. F.Borrow money as needed and continue funding more government as needed, we'll start making more revenue
Ethan Wilson
A. JUST ENOUGH To cover costs though.
Jackson Turner
E and F
Levi Allen
>E.Allow private enterprise in the spheres of transportation, healthcare, education, pensions etc.
Matthew Scott
Wait we're in deficit? And we can't fucking make money from our own national entreprises? fuck dude. >F Borrow money >G Invest money it's better than straigh up losing all our legal monopolies and fuck our population.
Connor Nelson
Government spending is a hell of a drug. Space exploration and free education has to be paid by someone, you know.
Lucas Young
Wait we're not making profit from our industry in general? Don't ou Nation own like Oil wells and fucking civil industry? Didn't we rythm the industry with our entreprises and make mad moonies from them? What happened? Did our competitor manage to cross the technology and educational gap?
Ryder Harris
Ah, I listed the taxes. Nationalised revenue is also a major provider of funds, but we've started spending A LOT of money and our taxes are still fairly low thanks to those national enterprises - thats why possible paths to take are to privatize and reduce spending, socialise and increase taxes or borrow and invest and start spending more wisely. Space exploration and free education and healthcare come at a great price. The deficit isn't too great, but it's growing right now.
Benjamin Bell
E, F G Invest money
Dominic Wood
changed to A and E
Ian Jenkins
Then privatization is very dumb since it's the only thing that keep away high taxes. Next turn we should probably try to use diplomacy to prepare trade deals and such to get our economy back on the road.
Jayden Allen
CHANGED TO just A
Parker Turner
A, E and F We've raised taxes by a bit and allowed private enterprise into spheres that we don't directly profit on(such as healthcare, retirement funds and education) while keeping up our monopolies. Keep in mind that every action costs us tax Camarks - spend money to make money.
>A.Improve economy >B.Culture & Religion >C.Construction >D.Improve military >E.Improve navy >F.Government & Laws >G.Research & Development >H.Diplomacy & War
Nicholas Reed
>H.Diplomacy & War Negotiate trade deals and try to increase our national entreprises benefits in other nations.
Michael Russell
H Let's remake the trade deals to help our economy.
Colton Davis
One of Chancellor Numbar's main campaign promises was getting better trade deals and improving our trade balance with other countries - trade is perhaps the only major issue in which the Chancellor interacts with other nations, as it is the President's duty to handle diplomacy, war and external matters. Give me 3 rolls and the average will determine our NEGOTIATION
Joseph Perez
Rolled 69 (1d100)
let's hope the chink accept to not tax our national entreprises.
Jaxson King
Rolled 19 (1d100)
Christopher Green
Rolled 7 (1d100)
Xavier Clark
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Colton Jenkins
31,6 The governments of the Sunset Alliance and Kaichou Empire have formed a joint Prosperity League, which negotiates free trade agreements and eased travel between the two nations. Together they've been tough on negotiating with us and have promised to match us tariff for tariff, risking a "trade war" in the event that we make any altercations to our current trade agreements. They've given us one offer - we can join the Prosperity League, which will allow for free trade between the Axis nations.
A.Attempt to renegotiate again(1 roll will decide the outcome) B.Put diplomatic pressure on them, do whatever it takes to get a better deal C.Accept their proposal D.Leave things as they are, don't make it any harder on us E.Other
Liam Flores
Well we have some options since we're the most powerful nation in the world. 1. Threats with our military 2. Stop trade deal s all together causing lots more harmed to other countries. 3. Increase tariffs so much they have to remake their trade deals 4. Stop the chinks from sending money back to SA.
We have all the leverage here boys, like the United States. We just have to use it.
Jaxon Kelly
B Guys even if it comes to a tradewar they be hurting themselves more than us. So it in their best interests.
Juan Collins
>A.Attempt to renegotiate again(1 roll will decide the outcome) THE MAD MAN IS GOING FOR IT
Connor Watson
>B.Put diplomatic pressure on them, do whatever it takes to get a better deal
Eli Gray
B
Kevin Stewart
Rolled 3 (1d6)
A would've had one of you voting, but since it's B, I'll do the rolling 1-Damage to our economy and relations 2-Damage to relations, not much help to our economy 3-Not much changes 4-Better economy, worsened relations 5-Better economy 6-Great economy, we gain respect
Jack Edwards
We've raised tariffs on motor vehicles, to which the answer was a higher export tariff on copper from the SA - one of the main products we import from there. Some negotiations followed in the coming months and overall things are back to where we started.
>A.Improve economy >B.Culture & Religion >C.Construction >D.Improve military >E.Improve navy >F.Government & Laws >G.Research & Development >H.Diplomacy & War
Xavier Sanders
G Let's start mining in space, I've heard their copper in the moon.
Jonathan Roberts
>G.Research & Development let's develop computing. you'd thing that with Thousands of dead robots around we'd actually spend time stduying how they worked.
David Morales
G. Remember guys, the more we invest into Research, the worse our Treasury will become.
Ethan White
We can counter this by researching fields of reasearchs with return on investement like computing.
Alexander Evans
R&D time PICK ONE OR TWO(will cost more Camarks) A.Industrial tech & Productivity(Construction, Machinery, Automation etc.) B.Power generation(nuclear and others) C.Transportation D.Computing E.Space satellites F.Military tech G.Other
Jason Campbell
A and D
Daniel Bailey
>B.Power generation(nuclear and others) >D.Computing we have to keep a nuclear edge and computing is just the biggest next big thing field since we have microchips. In 10 years we'll see the start of the personal computer age.
A&D Personal computers that can be put on the top of a desk are now a thing! Computing technology advances greatly, the military has developed an information-sharing network that can transmit data from one device to another - it is currently a technology kept in secret, code name "The Web". From studying the automatons we've built our first robots! The study and application of robotics is only just beginning to yield practical results, but holds great potential - it will likely take decades until we can fully replicate the machines we once fought. 2 rolls now - internal and external development
Justin Sanchez
Finally a good roll
Zachary Barnes
>85 looks like Education is going well. >78 and our trade agreements didn't fuck us. i'm not used to this amount of luck
Oliver Moore
Chancellor Numbar had a rough time winning re-election in 1208, but in his second term he seems to be doing better - the economy is booming as previous investments have begun to pay off, lowered living costs and increased wages along with a happier population has led to a baby boom and international relationships have cooled down. The rebuilding of Victory City is one of the big beauties of the 00's - a testiment to the strength of our resolves, the city stands once more as a hub of industry, commerece, culture and science. Great years for the White Republic! >Population:160 000 000 (79% white, 15 % chink,1%hibibi, 4%darkskin,1% pacharnati) >Colonials: 14 500 000 Eyerdar 14 600 000 Veita 15 700 000 Ocras >Agriculture:9/10 >Resources:8/10 >Manufacturing:9/10 >Trade and services:9/10 >Treasury:8/10 >Political stability:9/10
>A.Improve economy >B.Culture & Religion >C.Construction >D.Improve military >E.Improve navy >F.Government & Laws >G.Research & Development >H.Diplomacy & War
Blake Gray
>D.Improve military let's keep our fighting force ready, the best swords are not forged at war when the production is rushed.
Josiah Parker
G Let's go into space this time. Now that economy is doing well.
Ayden Wilson
I'm going to change my vote to D since we need to have a strong army for anything that can happen
The military has seen some cut-backs after the war. Pick one or two areas to improve upon A.Numbers - we can support more acting-duty personnel now B.Light armament(anything you can carry and operate yourself) C.Heavy armament(artillery, tanks etc.) D.Airforce E.Special forces F.Military command, logistics, officers G.Other
Samuel Bell
>B.Light armament(anything you can carry and operate yourself) >E.Special forces We're not going to war any time soon but special forces might be needed for some missions.
Brody Phillips
F and E
Ryder Kelly
F and D, really we can't afford lots of increases.
F & E We've focused on quality over quantity, improving the training of our troops and officers, logistics, special forces and having the best equipment.We've improved our elemental orders, rangers and paratroopers. For the 10-year anniversary of the Metal War's end, a great monument was built in Crossfort, the birthplace of General Malhus. Monuments have been built in all cities that were damaged or destroyed as well as such that are dedicated to certain renowned regiments and fighting groups, like Skyfather Company. 1209 ends and a new decade is coming.
>A.Improve economy >B.Culture & Religion >C.Construction >D.Improve military >E.Improve navy >F.Government & Laws >G.Research & Development >H.Diplomacy & War
Dylan Howard
>G.Research & Development we've waited enough let's rush up the space station!
Evan Roberts
>>E.Improve navy
Jack Stewart
G Let's get a space station in orbit.
Eli Flores
>G.Research & Development Muh moonbase
John Wilson
>E
Luke Hill
Navy is actually pretty useless in our universe now that we're at peace. since there's no african/asiatic pirates fucks, we don't even need to guard trade routes that much.
Julian Stewart
R&D time One or two picks A.Power generation B.Transportation C.Chemistry, medicine & other civic techs D.Set up space satellites E.Work on a space station
Joshua Jackson
D and E
Hudson Robinson
>E.Work on a space station
Josiah Cooper
>D >E full space
Ian Clark
C.Chemistry, medicine & other civic techs D.Set up space satellites