/kowg/ - Kings of War General

>large armies seem vast.
Kind of. KoW is much, much, much faster to play than WHFB so you can get away with larger armies as it is.

Remember the game is played in units, not model count, of which 1500 pts you'll only have up to ~dozen functional units on the table maximum.

The large model count is technically just decor, since we all multibase and there is no model removal from a unit.

Oh also keep in mind that you can literally play without any model smaller than an ogre with most of the armies.

Recommendations on good Ratkin models for someone who doesn't like Skaven or things imitating them?

also check out the herd list. I could see salamanders playing here, and the herd is one of the most effective armies on the table, desu.

>Not-skaven or like-skaven
No rats?
Well I supposed you could substitute any swarm-like dudes. Personally I wish there was a decent selection of insectoid models out there but there's not.

You can just test the game with cardboard rectangles, you really don't need minis. They just look nice.

I was introducing a 9th age player to the game last night, and he thinks that 9th age has deeper strategy.

Since I've never played 9th age, can the group please comment on this? Agree/disagree? Why?

I find 1500 to be perfect for funtime.

I don't think 2000 offers anything you don't get at 1500.

>much, much faster to play than WHFB

100% true.

9th age has more shit in it, sure. I don't think that means more strategy at all. There's lots of just absolutely non-viable units and messy, stupid special rules. It didn't fix a single problem of WHFB.

This is actually an interesting idea.

Ratkin with goblin models? What are some other possibilities?

>9th age has deeper strategy.
What kind of "deep"?

I usually classify as Abstract and Simulationistaustim.
Abstract deep is like Go, or most people would say Chess. It's technically very simple.
Simulationist is just cramming more things in which technically could have been simplified without missing much functionality. Eg: WHFB movement rules vs KoW movement rules.

I need a concept for something awesome for Krudger to fly around on. My orc army is all oldhammer orcs. I covet the oldhammer wyrvrn orc hero, but I lost an ebay auction and my heart is broken. I'l thinking about nurgle plague drones, since they are the right size and I've always liked the models. I'm not committed to bugs.

Please give me some ideas, because I am a tool with no imagination.

No problem with rat, just the blighted plague rat thing.

Reaper has mouslings, but it would be pretty hard to get a whole army out of those.
Dunno if anyone else does similar things.

>hard to get a whole army out of those
*expensive
as fuck

eurekamin.com.au/index.php?cPath=783
splinteredlightminis.com/mice.html
flytrapfactory.com/shop-netherworlds.html
A couple of non-diseased, non-reaper mouse minis I found from a quick google.

>4-10$ per mini

Wouldn't it be easier just to do some conversions of existing skaven models to make them less 'diseased'?

>There's lots of just absolutely non-viable units
Have you ever played 9th age user?
I can not think of a single bad units in that game.

I'm just trying to help m8
Also splintered light is $8 for a pack of 6, Flytrap Factory is $10-20 NZD for a pack of 2-5 and Eureka is $3 AU which are all pretty bloody cheap actually

Probably just because you can have more special rules that all work together across every army.

I know, and I'm not the guy who asked. But I knew before anybody even linked anything that it would be a fairly difficult and expensive proposition such that personally I would have opted for kitbashing / conversions.

It's not as difficult or time consuming as most people think, and I think it's doable with skaven.

>deeper strategy
>Gee I hope my cav doesn't flub the charge distance

The final rule change that made me drop both fantasy and 40k

Eh, random charges got bumped into shambling though which is something kind of newish rather than fucking with something already established. Cavalry in particular, should be able to make a reliable charge. That's what they're there for.

The reaper bones line has a good mix of dragons on the cheap, with just a bit of simple green stuff work and some cav legs the wyvern up pretty good. (unless you a 4 limb purest, then you need some cutting)

But shambling units can still charge as normal, they only have to surge to get cheeky side/rear charges, or extra long distance charges

My favourite use of surge is when something is behind you, rotate 180 then stack surge on it to turn the charge back against them. Best way to deal with flyers.

Somebody did that to me last night. nicely done.

Sweet model. Is it yours?

I'll check out bones.

Thanks, it is.

I have a 125gbp ($185) coupon code for the mantic shop which I would be willing to trade in for cash (using paypal).

Is anyone here interested?

>I have a 125gbp ($185) coupon code...
How?

Lol, I have contacts at a distributor. I can buy anything, even Mantic, at 50% the store prices. No thanks, I'm good. Unless you want less than 50% value for it.

I did some work for them and they repaid me with a coupon code. Not willing to trade for such a low figure though.

Actually, I'm more interested in what kind of work. I know they're still forced to use a lot of freelancers for stuff.

Also, LOL paid in product for work. I was going to ask "nothing at the store interests you...?" but no I've had idiots offer to pay me in product too... at full MSRP of the product. Please tell me the coupon is at least double what you'd have been paid in cash.

I helped out with testing out some of the games and providing feedback, didn't even think we were going to get something for it, just did it for fun.

>volunteer work
Oh, OK. Nevermind, that's actually pretty generous. Now I do have to ask about why nothing on the store interests you (185$ is more than most people would sink into Mantic normally).

Kind of curious about the feedback you gave too, or what they're working on and such. I'm trying really hard to bait some storytime out of you, if you didn't notice.

Right now I could need that kind of money much more in cash than in miniatures, and anything I was interested in from Mantic I already got...

I've just been playtesting the new Warpath since summer 2014. The game went through a lot of changes in that time and the beta has been released on the forums right now so you can check it out for yourself.

The only story time I can give you is that the development has been extremely long the way I see it, and having no clear direction plus a big committee didn't necessarily do it any good.

As such I am not too satisfied with the final result. Originally they pushed really hard to make Warpath a single rulebook, but lack of experience made that fail hard. Now they have gone for two rulebooks, which makes me realize how much time they have wasted on this game.

They have been working on Warpath for over 5 years now, they released two version (mass battle and platoon size) and were unsatisfied with them both times. Then they chucked those to make a single game which they developed for 2 years, and then at the final moment decided to split it up into two books again.

The way I see it they might as well have just polished up Warpath 1.0 and 2.0 and re-released those as Warpath 3.0, at least those games were developed by Alessio and were good. What we are left with now is just kind of a mess, and the reviews on the forums show that.

30% sounds about right to me, random internet person.

I'd be willing to give the coupon for 100gbp ($145), I think that $40 for the "trouble is more than fair.

This suddenly makes me remember

Way back when Mantic games threads were 99% trolls with dedicated trolling, there was a huge shitfit over playtesters being unpaid or some nonsense.

Is it common for playtesters to be paid? I've playtested a few things and I've always just done it for fun or as a favor to a friend

>Is it common for playtesters to be paid?
No, not really.

If anything 9th age is way less strategic than KoW due to its low lethality inherited from 8th ed.

It's a double edged sword, since it can be merely a distraction to divert your death star.

Just played a 2000 point game, Varangur vs. Brotherhood.

My Chieftan on Direfang fought like a Greek Hero, in 4 turns he killed a spearmen horde (with the help of a fallen horde), an Order of Redemption regiment and an Order of Forsaken Horde all from the front, getting 2 of the 3 loot tokens in the process.

He then died, just, to being charged by 2 forsaken beasts and 2 exemplars on the last turn.

I've never been too much into "your dudes" in KoW, but this guy might be the first.

>Way back when Mantic games threads were 99% trolls with dedicated trolling
>way back

That only stopped being the case when Warhammer was replaced by AoS and when KoW, in the most beautiful timing possible, got its second edition at the same time so that the refugees had somewhere to go.

That is one of the reasons why I am not really interested in Warpath. No based Alessio behind it and it isn't as open to using whatever models you want as KoW. Hopefully they can get it right this time, but with the imbalance in Deadzond, I have my worries.

Convert Ghouls to be more rat like? Add shields, sculpt some rodent like features with Green Stuff and make manrats rather then ratmen? GW´s Crypt Horror/Vargheists kit could make for some interesting Brute conversions. Maybe some Chaos bits as well?

Kobolds would be fitting.

Bump

These things are coming in July. Maybe to Skaven like for you, but it´s something. Depending on how big they are they could make a fun alternative to Orcs as well.

Obviously you can use whatever models you want for any game tho

Started work on my Abyssal Dwarves

Looks nice! Please post more pictures of your army as you finish up units.

Just dipped my landsknetch for my league army so it dries during the night.

Always do, now I need to figure out what to pick up next.

nice looking minis, quality beer and the same bottle opener as I use
bloody ledge/10

GMM studios painted up an Empire of Dust army.

facebook.com [NOT SPAM] GMMStudios/photos/?tab=album&album_id=540077732851603

Damn those shields are nice. Especially since they're meant to only be rank-n-file guys.

Wow! that blue.... it's very well done ad surprisingly fitting for desert undead.

Any more pictures?

Makes a nice contrast with the sandy yellows, doesn't it?
blog.untilsomebodylosesaneye.net/2016/06/i-for-one-welcome-our-new-undead.html?fb_ref=Default
has some closeups of the individual units

Damn, that's nice.

HHNNNNNGGGG.

That detail.

Need bigger pictures, possibly the best looking mantic stuff yet.

Anybody see the Warcraft movie and realize the way they portrayed the warcraft dwarves was characteristically similar to the Mantic dwarves? (very flat head, very broad triangular nose, etc very rectangular and broad shouldered).

First thought when they popped up in the movie, "hey if you put a flattop helmet on that and..."

There's a bunch more on the facebook page for GMM studios

excellent. bet there are cheap kobolds all over.

Even the shitty mummies look decent. Does anyone else have some pictures of painted mummies?

Mantic should shot the painters, they really ruin they minis.

Ease up, Duncan. It's really not that bad.

Can you get the Chocobos on their own or do I need to get the full pudge-patrol as well?

Those guys are still not available (they are form The Assault Group btw), but I think you will be able to order the chicks only.

Mantic should just do what Wyrd does and show pictures of CG renders instead of relying on painters at this point.

A shitton of people don't trust renders. Plus I think they are going nostalgia for WHFB which includes a level of jank on the minis.

I think it was just a budget issue. They seem to be getting better.

Quick, /kowg/, who is the true successor to WHFB?

strawpoll.me/10579080

As much as I love KoW, 9th age fits what WHFB was the most - simply because 9th Age is a lot closer to WHFB 8e in mechanics than KoW is - individual units, WS vs WS, etc.

That said, I still much prefer Kings of War for my rank and file fantasy wargaming.

Warhammer was never good, KoW is the game I wished Warhammer was back when I didn't know other wargames existed. So I don't really care what's the best successor, because I want something new.

Why success WHFB? it was shit as a game; throwing dices to "randomize" ludicrous things with a bunch of rules and tables that made the game cumberson. Why would someone want to success that shit?

KoW is just a better game with horrible lore, let it be what it is.

KoW's lore isn't bad, there just isn't much of it.

As is universally accepted by all, the famous poet Winters SEO is objectively the best place for enjoying WH40K battle reports.

Who creates the best KOW batreps? Why?

Guerilla Miniatures?

They're the only ones I can think of that make decent stuff. Most batrep channels have shit video and audio quality and are played by people with personalities staler than grandma's twat.

Agree that these are pretty good.

All 6 of them. Under 1500 points. :(

True, at the moment is feels kinda Tolkien, but it's going to be really hard to give an equivalent to all the fluff WHFB had.

Guerrilla Miniatures, Master Crafted, Fish Bat (who post here) and gaming with the coolest (does the least KoW of the ones I named).
They all have their pros and cons, but they are quite helpful.

Really keen on a story time.

Do you know why Firefight hasn't been getting any updates?

>People actually voted Sigmar
OK, who's botting the poll

Thanks.

Here's hoping my Chocobo Rough Riders can take to the field by the end of the year.

I agree wholeheartedly with this post.

Probably the Age of Sigmar General

I really wish Mantic would focus in some game already, some love for KoW like comics or novels would be good too, or at least what Warzone has to deepen the lore.

...why are we letting toddlers vote on our poll?