EDH/Commander general

>tfw I killed the board using a psychosis crawler with nekusar

Say what you will about me but I play him as grixis midrange

>playing boros
>got heartless hidetsugu out
>being ignored because im the guy in the group with weakest decks
>play out gisela
>activate heartless
>kill everyone with one ability
>get called a faggot even tho they had plenty of time to kill of heartless

some people just have no chill

Best burn spells for the format? I know that's a fucky question given that it is a multiplayer format where life totals are doubled, but burn is still one of the best ways of dealing with walkers and kills most creatures.

And hey, direct damage for that final bit of life is very satisfying. So, what burn is worth running?

>Burn
>EDH
Uhh that's a strange question.
Burn isn't used so much simply because the heightened life totals and is generally not used in my playgroup simply because of the loss of power; insofar as dealing with walkers, creatures and 'destroy target permanent' are generally pretty go-to.

Comet storm gets a lot of hate for being a mythic rare in that one modern masters set, but it's pretty damn powerful and doesn't require any luck or deck manipulation like bonfire of the damned

Banefire is also strong, especially for "that final bit of life" given its uncounterable and unpreventable

Rate/judge me

No foil Gahiji makes me sad.

>caring about foils
Autist detected. I buy the cheapest / ugliest versions of every card on principle.

For someone who has never played MtG, is EDH.Commander a good jumping off point?

Foils are often the ugliest god damned things around but I (not him) buy them when I can just because.
Faggot

I can afford to pimp out my decks. Price is not a barrier for me. So I go full autism and my dick gets hard when someone looks twice as my foil Force of Will or Vampiric Tutor. Sue me.

If you get a casual enough playgroup who is willing to teach you and not be faggots, yeah.

Yeah, I got mine altered but it's still not foil.

I think people underestimate dealing 5-6 damage to a walker or creature. Destroy target permanent is usually at least 3 mana, in two colors and often sorcery speed.

And I did say it was a fucky question.

True. X spells help a lot given how they operate, but they are fairly mana inefficient, especially with the amount of counterspells in the format. Are there any good burn spells suited for EDH that are 3-4 mana?

Oh shit what the fuck is Multani and why do I want to build him so hard now?

It's the format I started with, and I recommend it because
A-people don't really play casual 60 card non singleton or freeform much anymore
B-all the other formats besides commander are too optimized to allow the fun splashy stuff you see in commander
C-when you want to move to the big times and start adding staples to your decks, you only need 1 copy instead of 4, which makes good edh decks you can play for years a hell of a lot cheaper than good legacy or good modern decks

>foils
>ugly
Bruh

Go for it.

The black on blacks are really nice.

Also, Ashling is really good. See below.

If you're looking to burn players, there really isn't much thats worth it for EDH, but there are some that are still decent. Check out my Ashling list for ideas. It's old faithful, though hasn't been updated in awhile.

tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ashling-burn-control/

One hit wonder machine.

Nigga you post the Best Bird how the fuck is anyone going to disagree with you?
I dislike they're kinda darker and the flash can be disruptive at times.

Also getting a proliferation engine going before you use the first counter

But honestly just using one counter should put you enough ahead to win as long as the board doesn't get wiped after you've overextended that much

I feel like comet storm isn't so mana inefficient, because it can be an asymmetrical board wipe of sorts, but in general yeah they are heavy on the mana requirements

As far as cheap burn, I'm one of those people who will tell you that lightning bolt is still really good in edh even though it's not at its best, it can kill the low cmc planeswalkers in one hit or just chip away at ones that threatening to ult, and you can kill lots of powerful creatures for 1 mana at instant speed

other than that, there are good red board wipes, not burn spells per se but they do direct damage to creatures, chain reaction and blasphemous act come to mind

And then there are X spells that are more mana efficient like rolling earthquake, they can be board wipes that hit planeswalkers to, so I think they have a real niche in edh

I like a lot of these.

They just need to fucking print an instant speed Flame Slash and I will be satisfied. Just 2 mana, instant speed, 4 damage to creatures.

Sortof this. I don't like playing with foils because they get damaged way too easily and I like playing bareback. I only get and use foils if the price is somehow cheaper than the nonfoil or if I pull the foil

Yea. Glare is a bitch they aren't that dark in person. The sleeves probably don't help.

Posting second best birds. Everything else is low-rent trash.

>I like playing bareback

Literally why

>I dislike they're kinda darker and the flash can be disruptive at times.

I feel the same way. The only good foils I've ever seen are the ones that only make certain parts of the card shiny. The Fire and Lightning Premium Deck did this right, they only made the picture and border stand out while the rest of the card was normal. I wish they'd make more foils like that.

I don't like those as much as normal foil birds for m1X

Yea no shit foils aren't your thing. You don't have a choice. If you can't afford sleeves you shouldn't even be touching non foils tbqh familam

Well, I may be an idiot, but I'm going to try and make a Commander deck with Ulrich.

Some people just enjoy the feeling of handling a good deck of cards in their hands, user.

He's really not that bad. Both effects are relevant. Just he's not a lord or an enabler.

I hope they wash their hands thoroughly beforehand and also play on a playmat and never let drinks near the table

What's a Lord and an Enabler? This will be my first foray into EDH so I'm not up on all the terminology.

He doesn't help out other werewolves, either with a power boost or a helpful effect.

Goddamn man, learn to live a little. I bet you care about whether or not you can sell your cards too.

I mean, he kinda helps werewolves when he flips back to his default side. Well, one of them, anyway.

They will never print that anymore because it would hurt standard baby feelings. The closest thing we have is Galvanic Blast, which isn't hard for mononred, and Sonic Burst but you have to discard at random. Pyrokinesis and Fireblast are potentially free if you feel like paying exiling a card from your hand or Saccing 2 mountains.

You also have Char and Flame Javalin at 3 mana, which isn't too bad. Once you hit 4 mana, you should be looking at 5 damage, though with a few exceptions like Homing Lighting if you're worried about tokens.

There are also some cheap 5 damage spells, but they have additional costs. Lightning Axe, Fiery Conclusion, and Shrapnel Blast at 2, Brimstone Volley at 3 is pretty good.

For what numbers you need and whether it's worth it, you'd need to look at the numbers you want for your meta. For mine, 5 damage was a pretty good sweet spot, but I had some others at 4 when I built Chandra, which worked fine even at sorcery.

Regardless, Volcanic Offering is a must because it's usually a 4 for 1. Blow up one guys things and unless they're really petty and pick the same ones you picked, they will usually pick 2 from another player since they can't target you.

Lords are creatures that boost other creatures of a certain type. Usually just by giving +1/+1 and another effect.

Enabler is something that assists or "enables" other cards. So, if you had say Kumano as your general, he would be an enabler for your Blight Herder.

He's okay.

>the reason you don't play with foils is because you can't afford sleeves

This is like a new kind of retard right here, sleeves just feel like shit.

>Literally why
Becausd I don't shuffle like a moron where I constantly scratch up my cards

You are obviously a whole new level of the kitchen table casual that I thought went extinct. Carry on ruining your bulk Rares. I don't care.

Roast was in standard. Sure, the flying clause matters in EDH, but not in standard. Clearly they can print good creature burn. I'm not asking for the world, just instant flame slash for 2. Hell, make it an uncommon, since Bathe in Dragonfire was still a first lockable card. But yeah, rough. But most of those cards have all those costs because they hit face.

And yeah, Volcanic is perfect. I don't hate Burn Away either, even at 5. I just wish it played better against sac outlets (deal 6 to target creature and exile all cards from target player's yard, rather than being conditional).

Honestly, I just need to man up and go with Skred and Harvest Pyre. 4-5 is usually enough, but we have more dragons than you would think.

>I don't care
Then why did you reply?

Skred is fantastic, no question there, and Burn Away is a staple for me..

Another one to consider is Impact Resonance. It requires more damage to have been dealt, but it's a 2 mana instant that has potential to kill many things.

I'm actually going through my pile of red because I've decided to rebuild Chandra.

You must be trolling

What if get tired of magic? Surely I'll want to sell my cards

That's why I asked, I'm the guy hoping to
build flip Chandra.

Impact Resonance seems cool, but I cut it from Jori En when I realized the X was based on damage dealt to one source BY one source. Unless I'm doing big red, I doubt that'll be much more than 6.

Bretty gud taste senpai

Sleeves also protect your cards from dust and spittle

Idk how a person can think sleeves feel bad but that's subjective so no point arguing

Fated Conflagration and Stoke the Flame are okay. Cone of Flame can be amazing vs. decks with lots of low toughness utility creatures. Prophetic Bolt and Bituminous Blast if you aren't monocolored.

Bit blast and prophetic bolt are so fucking great. No better feeling in the world.

Well, I can't use Arlinn Kord as my Commander so Ulrich will have to do.

What kind of garbage ass sleeves are you using? Good sleeves feel fine

Most people suggest Ruric Thar as he punishes players from casting spells.

I like Radha because she fuels Rootwalla and Firebreathing abilities, which is an easy way of triggering flips.

But Ulritch is fine. Go for it.

How do you guys feels about net decking in edh? I'm not against it, as I feel it's the same as just "choosing a character", and it should be more about how well you play the game. Is it sacrilege to you?

Are tapping decks viable in a hugely creature heavy meta? I feel like the strategy in deciding who to tap and block and etc would be rewarding and fun, but I have never seen this "archetype" at even the weakest power levels of play.

It's weird how hidetsugu + gisela only kills players at even life totals, I've never been able to kill everyone at the table with it :/

Holy shit man can you just not accept that I don't like playing with sleeves? You sound like this guy in my group

Lots of autism on Veeky Forums, just ignore it and move on.

You can use it on opponent's turns after they swing into something, or even use it to supplement another spell you cast like Offering.

Oh, don't forget Dual Casting. You won't get it often, but when you do, gg.

Man I really want to build him but I have too much mono-red already

Some people dont like living

If you want something similar I'd suggest a commander like pic related. You get all the diplomacy out of it and you actually have a way to protect yourself permanently rather than temporarily like with tapping.

saying "i'll kill this guy if you do this." is the same as "i'll tap this guy if you do this." except killing it also clears the way for yourself without requiring more investment. you can always draw into killspells, drawing into tap spells doesn't have the potential to save your ass from a beating like killspells do.

can you not just accept that you're a retarded faggot?

lol just playing, but really thats how you sound

who said anything about not accepting? we are talking on the internet (though im not the guy you were responding to there), all of us have already accepted that we cant change you, but its not like we have to go out of our way to tell you what a stupid faggot you are for not playin with sleeves, its as simple as typing some words

Holy fuck, monoR is a hell of a drug
just finished a game where I was using Clock of omens to keep tapping my Winter orb and Untap my Mana Vault for crazy value until I played Lodestone Golem, sacced an artifact to slobad to make it indestructible and Jokulhaups'd

thats not really mono red tho, you're playing mono brown splash red

That's my main problem with monored in EDH.

It is why when I make a monored deck, it'll be absolute garbage, because I hate monobrown but I want it to be a slow deck.

I am thinking of Thalia for my next general, how aids can the deck get?
>Winter Orb
>Torpor Orb
>Clock of Omens
>Blond Obedience
>Aethersworn Canonist
>Eidelon of Rhetoric
>Silent Arbiter

I wish you made more jokes besides Blond Obedience.

Clock of Womens
Aetherworn Canonist

What does this do?

First strike
Non basics and creatures etb tapped.

tappedout.net/mtg-decks/24-06-16-borborygmos-enraged-edh/

Just finished a Bobo Enraged deck, looking for tips and suggestions.

"Thalia, Cathar Heretic"
2W
First strike

Creatures and nonbasic lands your opponents control enter the battlefield tapped.
3/2

Looking for suggests of what to cut.

tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dakkon-blackblade-edh-4/

Kind of too close to the deck to be objective at the moment.

>Dat Jaya
I absolutely love that foiling

maybe zirilan?

he's a slowish, midrangey deck but he works decently well because of the inherent card advantage of tutoring every turn

Well, I appreciate the suggestion, but as evidenced by my previous post, I am a super picky bastard and repeatable tutoring ain't my jam. Mainly for the same reasons, the game ends up being too samey. I do like the toolbox aspect he brings, but I am so used to that fucker just being Dragon Tyrant, gg?

I'll be messing around. I just love red so much, but I have no monored deck for some reason.

kismet, cataclysm (or cataclysm with it that betrays), hokori, dust drinker.

off the top of my head.

Just got back from a game of Planechase Commander". One of the worst things my group has ever decided

I use my commander deck when me and my friends play Planechase casually Starting at 20 life of course. Pretty fun desu.

I love the card but it's obviously better in the 99

yeah just a suggestion

Have you ever played with a tutor general before though? I feel like people on Veeky Forums have this overblown fear of games all being the same when in my experience that's just not the case

Not him, but I play Zirilan and it's absolutely not the case. It's a super fun deck to pilot

The closest thing I've had to a tutor general was Sapling of the Colfenor deck that ran Breeding Pod variants and dug pretty deep with Top and various similar effects. I ended up taking it apart, because I saw so much of the deck every game.

I specifically built Reki instead of Sisay and love it. And the one time I built a list for Sidisi Undead Vizier or Yisan Wandering Bard, it was miserable.

>closet thing I've had to a tutor general is (not a tutor general)
>I built a list for (2 tutor generals)
>it was miserable

You make no sense, if you only had lists then how would you know they were miserable? And if you played with them then why would you say the closest to tutor general was a non tutor general?

D-It's a lot easier to trade cards for, since you only need one of a kind. So you can trade with others fairly well.

mana drain is getting a judge printing....my poor wallet.

Mana drain is so stupid, I want to strangle whoever designed it

that is a pretty bold statement, care to elaborate?

It was designed when mana burn was a thing if that helps, user.

I'm exaggerating, I'm sure the dude who designed it agrees that it's a stupid card, and even if he really thought it was balanced with mana burn, I don't really harbor ill will toward the dude, I just think it was poorly done

and at the very least it's not broken enough to be restricted in vintage so I can't complain too hard

I goldfished them against a rudimentary AI playing another deck of mine on my computer. I'm not gonna spend cash on a deck that I will take apart after a few games.