At what point did you grow out of hating the Ultramarines for no reason other than trying to fit in?

Once I understood the difference between 40k and 30k Ultras.

Probably when I learned that hating Space Wolves is more fun. SW players are hilarious when laughing of their fav chapter.

They're fine. I just wish they wouldn't get all the best core-codex characters for no reason. Not only did they get twice as many as all the other chapers combined in 7th, it just doesn't make sense. Give the Raven Guard a scout character and the Imperial fists a Chaplain character, the Ultras are already special snowflakes.

>At what point did you grow out of hating the Ultramarines

When I found out I was gay.

When they started having the best of everything. Plus chapter bashing is fun since it's literally your opinion

>salamanders boring
>white scars boring

???????

as far as the average army/player goes, they're both hilariously one-dimensional

when's the last time you saw white scars not on bikes, for example

>when's the last time you saw white scars not on bikes, for example
I could swear I have seen White Scars Dreadnaugh on GW website recently. It was not on a bike.

>Roboute Guilliman lead a daring raid against Alpha Legion High Command during the battle of Eskrador and, utilizing his own tactics against him, slew Alpharius in single combat.
>This is what Ultramarines actually believe.

This thread is now and always was an Alpha Legion general.

Space marines themselves are extremely one dimensional. All space marines look so similar I can't even tell the difference between them, except terminators which are just fat space marines.

I still dislike them.
I got some respect for them when I read fall of Damnos but even then I hated Sicarius, I just wanted him to get schooled by the big bad Necron lord but nope, can't have that.

I still have some respect for the second company even when the smurfs retook Damnos in the most mary sue/bullshit way possible.

I mean really, Crons had 20 years and all they did was turn on the old Imperial guns back on. Had pylons picked up by papa smurf and used as a weapon while it was still firing, because no one thought to turn it off the moment it was lifted.

And the absolute travesty was a Necron lord permanently dying because he was stabbed in the "right" place.

Fuck that noise, Ultrasmurf genocide best day of my life.

Astatecist white xeno scum.

>This is what Ultramarines actually believe.
if you'd read the fluff, you'd know that the Ultramarines don't believe it, and the source of the story is considered questionable even in-universe

I used to like all of the founding legions, but meme legion fanboys on Veeky Forums have really made it difficult.

I am Alpharius

Iron Hands are so under-appreciated.

What of centurions?

>when's the last time you saw white scars not on bikes, for example

I run light mechanized infantry for white scars, not bikes.

Space Marine chads.

I personally find them just boring. Their only shtick is muh weak flesh. If I want to feed my robotic fetish I'll do Mechanicus. Most all-black paint schemes are also boring as hell.

Space marines that went to McDonald's.

Wasn't that a thing as far back as Paul "Fat Bloke" Sawyer?

I seem to remember an article of him taking suggestions on how a Scars Dreadnought was supposed to keep up. Rejected ideas included Flatbed Rhinos, Roller Skates, and a Dreadnought sized bike

This.

> Implying I ever hated the Ultramarines

Titus was a nice breath of fresh air though. Still, fave is Black Templar. Crusade All Day, 'Erry Day Nigger.

>Ultramarines will never be as cool as their Black Templar decendants

Back end of 2nd Edition, when I started playing them. Haven't actually used them on tabletop much since Ward shat all over us, but still play a Tyrannic War Vet in Deathwatch.

it was

the vast majority of all white scars armies are still hell's angels: mongol edition, though

Iron Hands have been under-written, but they have so much potential in fluff. They've got clans instead of companies (internal conflict), are tied closer to Admech than the Imperium at large (political conflict) and they fucking hate normie humans (extra conflict) which means they kinda hate themselves (deep conflict.) Iron Hands have a reason to fight anyone in the setting, they fucking write themselves. Plus, dreadnaught specialty, tac sergeants in termy armour (in fluff), amazing forge world models and iron fathers.

Having said that, you are spot on about the colour scheme. They should keep it for one clan and create complimenting schemes for the others, Dark Angels style. Throw a lot of bronze in there and few brighter colours and then they'll look as interesting as they are.

It depends on how they're handled, really.

Like
>The Greco-Roman Chapter, taking their place among the greats
>Well run Chain of command, versatile and adaptable
>The battle for Macraage, parts of Damnos
>Titus

Dislike
>The best of the best Chapter, everyone else loves them unconditionally.
>"The codex is always right, no take backsies"
>Their Boom! comic, or any situation where they steamrolled everything in lore with zero effort and badly written self-conflict. (Krak grenading a Gargant to death was and always will be bullshit).
>Sicarus

>>"The codex is always right, no take backsies"

This is the thing I like best about them. It's a flaw and it should create depth. Problem is, they never suffer any consequences for it. Ultra Marine history should be littered with proud/conservative decisions going wrong as well as glorious, by-the-book victories.

I remember the first few battles against the Tyranids went really badly, and they lost the most beautiful Garden World in Ultramar because of it, until they learned to adapt their tactics and strategies.

I've always liked them since the 4th edition rendition of the battle for Macragge. Half of what was interesting but that wasn't talked on much was how they went about recovering. Divergence from the codex was more visible with the Tyrannic War Veterans and there's clearly some internal issues between old guard minded like Agemman and the likes of Sicarius, as boring as the later may be since he always wins.

Put it better than I could have said. I really liked the part where Calgar sat down for a think after the Tyranids had thwarted them
> man, the codex didn't prepare us for this
> we need to come up with something new for a new threat
Then they built on what they learnt, Calgar fisted the Swarmlord, and another chapter was added to the codex about bug smashing. I think that's the moment for me when the Rule-toting Ultramarines really shone.

I've always loved the Ultramarines.
They're the chapter without a stupid gimmick, and they're the literal best because of it.

I like their symbols and colors.
The fluff wanking is a bit annoying though.

I have no problem with the Ultras.

I just dislike when 'most common' is equated to 'best'.

It makes perfect sense why they're the template for 80% of all new founded chapters ever, but it's not because they're the best, just the most predictable known quantity that can probably do any job reasonably well.

Titus was the thing that truly and forever redeemed them in my eyes into being truly cool for me, follow the rules but understand that those rules don't make us what we are, it's how we live by them and use them. Don't take it literally to the point of suicidal stupidity.

Titus is what Guilliman wanted his marines to be like, respecting the wisdom of his teachings but understanding that no book can ever replace the need for improvisation and flexible thinking.

>No gimmick
>Implying over-adherence to the Codex and lack of flexiblity because of it isn't a gimmick

I mean, they fucking prosecuted a captain because he adapted his tactics beyond the Codex.

They were always like thsat.

Faggots need to read the old 2e codex.

I don't really hate them. I love their colors and their Greco-Roman style. I like how they're actually decent toward the people of Ultramar and genuinely try their best to keep the Imperium going.

But holy shit, they have so much ungodly amounts of plot armor that it makes them feel really fucking cheesy, even by 40k's standards.

Honestly?
I'd love to see more of the conflict, that would make Ultras vastly more interesting.

Especially seeing as the Ultras do have the biggest realm and are decently well knit with their successors... mostly.

Just think of what that would say to their successors though? The Ultras are arguing over the Codex and they sold that shit like it was hotcakes.

I want a civil war in Ultramar.

Don't White Scars avoid using dreadnaughts because they think it's bad for a warrior to be entombed like that?

Adorable

this, so much. love the look, hate the bullshit. they arent my favorites by any means, but if I ever start with tabletop stuff, I might make a deep blue ultramarine army, or at least take their style into consideration when making a oc donut steel one.

They do, but I imagine they still have Dreadnoughts to preserve their veterans and use them as libraries of lore and knowledge. But most likely they don't consider becoming a Dreadnought as much of an honour as many other Chapters do.

Black Templars are Fists descendants.

I know. What I meant is that the Howling Griffons are basically Ultramarine Black Templars.

I don't know, man. Reading the lexicanum gives me

> the White Scars do not possess any Dreadnoughts since the thought of confining a warriors' spirit within a sarcophagus is abhorrent to them

>Muh default marines
Have you no imagination at all?

Because space marines that want to fuck dogs, or drink blood, or want to be 2mysterious4u are creative as hell.

>We'll save Mankind from Chaos, even if we have to kill every last one of them

Just as planned.

>pylons picked up by papa smurf
>building-sized superheavy artillery piece

I'm sorry what?

nothing is creative when you dumb it down into two words intended to have a cheesy/childish connotation

I like the Crimson fists because their chapter master is the only character in fantasy that I know of that shares my name

Exactly my point.