Pathfinder General - /pfg/

>tentacle-centric adventure path
You might change my opinion on it with that, user..

I'm with you and . Lovecraft never really did it for me and Paizo's take on the genre is even less appealing to me.

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>party wakes up with amnesia due to a serious bender
I kind of want to play Frat Bros of Cthulhu now. It's that or Lewdcraft with all those tentacles

>the real reason QANON didn't apply to Gareth's game is that she's waiting for a lewd Strange Aeons group
You've cracked it, user

So, hey guys, does anyone have a game I could join? I'm desperate to the point I'll at least try anything.

The racism in Lovecraft was the least cool part of Lovecraft, user. The Rats in the Walls was fucking amazing but the cat being named Niggerman (and no, it wasn't politically correct when he wrote it either) was just fucking distracting. The Street was bad. Medusa's Coils was bad. The one where the guy realizes his ancestors fucked an ape, no good. Pickman's Muse, Eric Zann, the Thing on the Doorstep, all great stuff, but whenever the whole miscegenation jerk crept in it was to the detriment of the rest of the work.

Except Shadow Over Innsmouth, but that's because it's not so obvious - we can all shudder at the thought of the pure-hearted virgin waifu next door giving herself willingly to a slimy fish-monster so she can breed with it because we're such shit fishermen.

More PC Lovecraft is fine. TOO PC Lovecraft would be bad, but Pathfinder already has rape monsters, so.

*not implying Pickman's Muse or the other two had anything racist really in them (except for the family in the Thing being subtly black), but that they were great because they DIDN'T include his obsessive bullshit, just the cosmic and body horror we know and masturbate to daily

Do we know anything about Horror Adventures yet? Apparently it's coming out next month, but there's barely any information on it, even a release date.

>cat being named Niggerman
this will always be hilarious to me; it's just so fucking jarring

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Did you not just go to the store page for it...?
paizo.com/products/btpy9n5a?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Horror-Adventures
>Corruptions that can turn your character into a powerful monster, from a blood-drinking vampire to a savage werewolf. The only cost is your soul!
>Character options to help heroes oppose the forces of darkness, including horror-themed archetypes, feats, spells, and more!
>A detailed system to represent sanity and madness, giving you all the tools you need to drive characters to the brink and beyond.
>Tips and tools for running a genuinely scary game, along with an in-depth look at using horror's many subgenres in a Pathfinder campaign.
>Expanded rules for curses, diseases, environments, fleshwarping, haunts, and deadly traps.
>New templates to turn monsters into truly terrifying foes, from creatures made of living wax to a stalker that can never be stopped!
>... and much, much more!

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Is Ultimate Occult in the trove yet?

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I saw that, but it's just cover blurbs. Doesn't really tell us anything.

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Removing racism from Lovecraftian horror is disingenuous. You don't have to agree with it, nor like it, but to present something as "lovecraftian", minus one of the integral aspects of his work is simply rejecting his atmosphere of intent. It becomes less authentic Lovecraft and more Lovecraft-saturated-with-modern-values.

Isn't Chaosium involved in Strange Aeons though?

I'm gonna be honest, every time I hear about Strange Aeons I think it's bout Aeons and not Lovecraft style stuff.

Speaking of Aeons: has anyone actually used them? What do they even do?

They go around being litte shits and enforcing "balance".

In Golarion canon they're all lackys of Phantasma or whatever she's called, which I personally think is stupid.

Yes.

Just checked... Nope.

No, they're absolute bullshit and should be A) lawful and B) are already covered by inevitables

Archetypes would be nice, but I want talents. I WANT TO SEE THOSE TALENTS.

I also want to believe that they'll introduce something to unfuck Mystic Bolts for people stuck using 1pp, but I'm not holding out much hope.

Playing Serpents Skull tomorrow, character is a half orc gestalt scarred witchdoctor (CON casting version)/barbarian using a large Great Terbutje made from viridium.Its also my heirloom weapon so its masterwork and I have +1 to attack with it.I'm planning on power attacking everything for 2d8+9, and buffing my short round (halfling rogue with a sling)I took fates favored and sacred tattoo for +2 to all saves.No other party members so that's why I'm gestalt.Will this be any good?

But what about rilmani user?

I missed it since I was at work, how awful was Ultimate Occult? I'm downloading the pictures now but I won't have a chance to go through them for a bit.

It's not even in the vaguest of senses disingenuous because Lovecraftian horror is not used to refer to the racism in his work any more than Michael Bayesian means the movie stars Megan Fox. Please don't reveal your power level so easily and without prompting.

No one wants "exactly authentic to Lovecraft" or else we could just read the shit he's written over and over again. We want LovecraftIAN, and what is meant by that is cosmic horror, not the fucking KKK's nightmare family tree.

It was blatant copying and pasting of UltPsi. Vitalist and Dread became Psion archetypes. Even had actual names of class features, like the Vitalist archetype had a Collective.

Oh, and there was brutal retardation in there too. They copied the Spheres idea for Disciplines, making each Discipline a !Not bloodline for the !Not Arcanist class they shit out, but made Psychoportation into an Illusion specialist, because they have no idea what psychoportation is.

It's just sad for DSP. There was already friction, but it's outright theft now.

Are there any leaks for Fleshwarping or corruptions in Horror Adventures yet? I've had a hankering to make a body horror character to the level of John Carpenter's Thing for quite some time now and it finally looks like I may be getting the material I need to do so, and the stuff I need to have my PC force that warping on others.

Nigger, spheres were a concept from 2e. 2e priests grabbed their entire spell list from domains, but domain lists were far more extensive in 2e.

>suggesting I have a power level to reveal
Big leap there user. But hey, everyone who holds a different opinion on the matter must have underlying racist motivations eh?

I'm also staggered by how dumb the PsyWar in it is, since they can be knocked out of concentration as though they were casting spells. So a good number of their class features are tied to an ability that they can be knocked out of for full combats (unless they take a talent to drop it to a move action) by getting hit. As a melee class.

Doesn't Strange Aeons work as a Lovecraft work because, just like all their other APs, the PCs are working with powers beyond their comprehension and will end the campaign as forgotten and useless as they started?

>the final boss of strange aeons is literally the DM.

No, you fucking nigger, I mean you're AUTISTIC. No one means "racism + cosmic" when they say "Lovecraftian horror." Trying to argue that any derivative work must include ALL elements and themes of the original to be "authentic" is a metaphysical guarantee of strong autism, especially when you're arguing about an aspect it's commonly understood is not desirable in derivation. If we want racism, we can vote Republican.

It's especially autistic because it barely even makes sense in Pathfinder, races literally are different species and some of them can't fucking interbreed, let alone that divisions based on things like WHO SUMMONS DEMONS are probably a little more prevalent in Golarion's social consciousness. Having humans nigger-nigger each other over skin color is like if in real life we started deferring to the opinion of foot fetishists on who deserves to be a first-class citizen.

For the folks that were asking earlier, the psionic content for In the Company of Dragons is already done and turned in to Rite; our end is finished up.

How'd they screw up mystic bolts? I don't see any obvious issues.

They're just shitty arrows. Everything that isn't arrows is just shitty arrows. Rapidshot, Manyshot, GG. Every time. IDK why people want ranged weapons that aren't bows but if you do you need to play some other system entirely.

Damn does this give me a metafiction hard on. Probably an impossible concept to pull off though... Unless you set the campaign up with the party learning that they are being controlled by an incomprehensible power, they adventure to learn more and fight in the name of free will, they slay an eldritch monstrosity and 'Master of the Games' only to come to the realization that everything they've done has been under the control of these incomprehensible powers, even their quest in the name of free will wasn't even done out of free will and they never really will be free, they realize that no matter what they will remain puppets (Keep playing), until eventually and suddenly just when they've presumably received their 'happy ending' they cease to exist entirely (Stop playing). You win as a GM if you get your players so invested in the PCs and their cause that they quit playing so their characters won't have to suffer under the control of an ulterior force anymore.

user wanted them to be super rapidfire eldritch blasts instead of being free and easy dual handcrossbows that get a stat to damage and need no reloading.

War Soul Psychic Armory Soulknife into Phoenix Champion is better.

>It's especially autistic because it barely even makes sense in Pathfinder, races literally are different species and some of them can't fucking interbreed, let alone that divisions based on things like WHO SUMMONS DEMONS are probably a little more prevalent in Golarion's social consciousness. Having humans nigger-nigger each other over skin color is like if in real life we started deferring to the opinion of foot fetishists on who deserves to be a first-class citizen.

The fact they went through the trouble of giving us stereotypes and racial assumptions for individual ethnicities suggests that yes, people *are* looking at your skin color and they *are* judging you for it.

This "white and brown uniting to gang up on green" is idealistic bullshit perpetuated to ignore centuries of history that showed yes, even in the face of a totally alien foreign group vaguely different ethnic groups *will still* fight among themselves, in fact they'll fight even HARDER! Just look at Central America and North America if you want proof!

If they're not better than a dedicated longbow fighter, they shouldn't be class features. There's no point in a class feature that is worse than someone else's casual build choice.

That's bows being stupidly powerful.

Manyshot should not exist.

Composites should either not exist or other ranged options should have an equivalent.

>If they're not better than a dedicated longbow Warrior NPC, they shouldn't be class features.
FTFY.

Except those distinctions are retarded because the game isn't that GRANULAR. Below the level of national identity characters are barely anything. It's not "white and brown" putting aside their differences it's "if Cheliax has two human ethnic groups no one except strong autists know about it because no one reads that deep into the setting."

What? You're saying having a single class feature is garbage if someone can put their entire specialization with all their own features into doing it better? How does that logic work?

3.5e had Deadly Throw, allowing STR on to-hit with thrown weapons. Combining that with Monk flurries was pretty good, since STR is easy to stack.

I think he means 'If a class' primary feature isn't better than an NPC class attempting the same role, it should be better', which is a more accurate and agreeable statement.

There is a feat in Akashic Mysteries to apply strength to thrown attack rolls and to use Power Attack on your thrown weapons. Its pretty good.

Except we've never had a black and white vs green scenario. The closest would be when the europeans came to north america and lo and behold the tribes ended up working together in an attempt to deal with it. It fell apart later but they werent facing a different species, it was just funny looking people.

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Wow this gen is fucking dead.

Hypothetical time!
>So you're sitting wherever you are now, shitposting on Veeky Forums.
>suddenly, Jason Bulhman, the all mighty wizard lord of Paizo, appears before you in a mighty bolt of Lightning. Two chaotic good, wisdom 7, bardic vixens at his side!
>"DO NOT BE AFRAID MORTAL, FOR I HAVE APPEARED BEFORE YOU ON THIS DAY TO GIVE YOU A QUEST!"
>"I HAVE REALIZED THAT TACKLING LOVECRAFTIAN THEME AND HORROR IN STRANGE AEONS IS DAUNTING TASK FOR MY MINIONS! MY DIVINATIONS HAVE POINTED ME FOR THIS HIVE OF SEXISTS, TROLLS AND RIFF RAFF IN ORDER TO SEEK AID!"
>"YOUR QUEST: CREATE A DRAFT OF STRANGE AEONS CONVEYS LOVECRAFTIAN/HORROR THEMES TO THE PLAYER, WHILE STILL BEING A FUN AND ENGAGING EXPERIENCE!"
>"THE REQUIREMENTS ARE AS FOLLOWED
>The AP needs to start in an asylum, from that point on you can do as you like with locale.
>The AP needs to involve beings from the Cthulhu Mythos mentioned in previous Paizo materials.
>You are not allowed to incorporate third party materials into the AP
>the PC's need to finish the AP by 17th level.
>if the PC's are successful, their impact on Golarion as a whole should be kept minimal assuming. So no killing major political figures possessed by eldritch gods.
>no crossover from the technology guide.
>[OPTIONAL] New Magic items to be featured with each installment of the AP
>"IF YOU SATISFY ME! YOU SHALL BE HANDSOMELY REWARDED! I SHALL MAKE YOUR WAIFU REAL!
>WITH THAT JAMES JACOBS GRABS A HUNK OF CHAOTIC GOOD BARD ASS AND SLAMS HIS MIGHTY STAFF INTO THE GROUND TELEPORTING BACK TO PAIZO HQ
What would you do /pfg/?

Nobody has cared about gets since 2013.

stfu I care

Be confused, since Bulhman turned into JJ halfway through his explanation.

Literally why.

>6 0s
Nice get. Too bad its a problem with War Room.

>suddenly, Jason Bulhman, the all mighty wizard lord of Paizo
>WITH THAT JAMES JACOBS GRABS A HUNK OF CHAOTIC GOOD BARD ASS
I'm in. No waifu no laifu as they say.

>the AP showcases corrupted versions of every single iconic hero
>the impact should be minimal
Good luck

He's a wizard, fuck you.

>>"IF YOU SATISFY ME! YOU SHALL BE HANDSOMELY REWARDED! I SHALL MAKE YOUR WAIFU REAL!
tell him to go fuck himself my waifu's already real haha screw you lonely nerds

>Chaotic "Good"

Alright /pfg/ I'm heading to bed, but first I give you one last gift.

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IT'S NOT A GIFT

IT'S A CURSE

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Hi Soilent!

>stat to damage
>"free and easy dual handcrossbows"
>a weapon locked at 30 ft range, no stat to-damage, shit passive scaling, no stat to damage, and no item to boost them, and with no way to pierce the elemental resistances
>you can literally go avenger vigilante, grab a longbow, and pick up combat feats to be better than the guy who archetypes into Warlock and dedicates his entire specialization into a useless feature

This isn't even about being better than or equal to archery, it's that they're fucking WORTHLESS if /ANYTHING HAS ANY RESISTANCE AT ALL/, and there's NO WAY to make them scale or be useful after low levels. They are your entire specialization and you're still better off using a longbow as a warlock.

So I may have an opportunity to redesign aspects of the Pathfinder outer planes. What should I change, what should I keep?

aw, that fucker's cute. Not as cute as Sir Orangepeel, but cute.

Isn't that what OGL is for? Writers can share their material and still get credited for it.

what a surprise
its shit.

Ultimate Psionics is NOT OGL.

They didn't credit the books the vitalist and dread are from in their OGL.

Oh I'm sure it was an accidental oversight or something :^)

Aeons no longer lisen to Pharasma
Qlippoth Lords are far more active in the planes at large

For 3pp?

I can't wait for the negative reviews of Ultimate Occult to start coming in only to have Paizo remove the critical ones like they did for the Trickster.

I'm not doing your homework for you, dude.

Best gestalt build that won't get banned immediately?

That's the new Horror book.

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