"NO! ABSOLUTELY NOT! PUT IT AWAY! NOW! Dungeon & Dragons is SATAN'S GAME! You all should feel ASHAMED of yourselves! My...

Early 80s would be more accurate. That's when they were most vocal about it.

That comic is from the 80's. The only christfags who still think D&D is devil worship, are the ones out in bumfuck nowhere who think Obummer is coming to steal their guns, the mexicants have taken over every city but theirs, and that "mixing of the races" is a code-word for "white genocide".

Basically, fucking hill people.

>I used the mind bondage spell on my father.
Debbie, stop!

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I understand where you're coming from, but posting le fedora meme is almost as bad, at least in my opinion.

I think a better solution is to tell OP to go be an activist and educate people so extreme religionfags aren't taken seriously by anyone. Coming on Veeky Forums and preaching to the fucking choir doesn't do shit. Be the change you want to see in the world, etc.

**sniff sniff**

Uhg, this bait isn't even stale, it's gone rancid.

What do you expect? Fundies gonna fundie

Don't listen to OP people. No Satan around here. Only wackos would believe there are any demons in D&D.

>the ones out in bumfuck nowhere who think "mixing of the races" is a code-word for "white genocide".

Are you implying that liberals aren't shipping Muslims in by the hundred-thousands for that exact purpose? I apologize for leaning this thread toward /pol/ but to be fair you did first.

>go be an activist and educate people

No. Fuck no. Don't encourage that fucking shit. I don't like it when people knock on my door to read the Book of Mormon to me, and I'm not going to fucking like someone knocking on my door to read the Book of Richard Dawkins to me.

Posting the fedora meme is exactly the correct response to evangelical atheism, because evangelical atheists deserve nothing more than to be mocked like the severe autism patients they are. They are not welcome, not on Veeky Forums and not anywhere else civilized.

This chick tract has been made into a short movie. It is gloriously hammy. I think it was only five dollars to get it or you could always pirate it.

No, a christian org didn't do the movie, yes it is played true to the tract with a lot of scenery chewing and ham delivery.

>Fucking christfags.

Do you mean evangelicals or baptists or some other podunk heresy?
The catholic church outright laughs at the idea witchcraft or "satan's board game" are anything other than fantasy.
Growing up, my neighbour was a pastor and a ttrpg nerd. The local church ran a weekly youth group and we played AD&D constantly.

The fuck kind of retard christians do you associate with?

Another user, here;

I agree but I understand. Coming out from under the thumb of a strict religious environment can be like releasing a lot of tension explosively, and it manifests in zealotry and evangelism. Many times, it wears off and they grow more mellow after a time. Some might even find their way back to a personal, secular spirituality just for them.

The fedora meme is quite appropriate, but such pushback untempered is, while 4chans way, somewhat counter-intuitive in achieving results. Instead, one should use reason and understanding to help point out the user's faggoty zealotry and get them to mellow out a bit, if you actually care enough to make the effort. Hell, it should be noted that a lot of the more stupid and shitty feminism that we all rightly criticise is perpetuated by zealous, younger members of the community just joining without the proper understanding and tempering of their beliefs into something that makes some semblance of sense or reason, and members of the opposite philosophy often make the same missteps. Though there's a good deal of idiocy in all of the most vocal and caustic crowds.

So perhaps it's less a problem of religion or philosophy or social movement or whatever the fuck that qualifies under "le fedora" meme, and more a problem of underage and newfag?

Probably Southern Baptist, they're the only group both retarded and boisterous enough to push dumb shit like this. I am of the firm opinion that, if any other Christian minority gained relevance in the American south instead, it wouldn't be quite the laughing stock it is right now.

Petitions to ban books from public libraries in [current year]? Complaints about evolution being taught in schools? Misinterpreting Nietzche and then funding a film based on that misinterpretation? Everything wrong with the country music industry today? You can blame the single worst Christian minority for that.

And you, specify that bottom part as being Catholic. Because holy shit, you are doing a damn discredit to Michelangelo and the entire legacy of the Papal State in Europe to be associating it with the degenerates in my neck of the woods.

>and more a problem of underage and newfag?
Truer words hath never been spake.

But user you kill those demons.

>stuff that never happened: the thread

No, user. You ARE the demons.

What can you even spend 200 dollars on for 1980s-era DnD?

Figures ofc.

AND manuals.

but okay know that the how is there

why would you

It was a lot harder to pirate books and such in those days. I hear they didn't even HAVE PDF files!

What a horrible time to exist.

>Tiefling campaign when?

But that's a devil.
Asmodeus, are you tricking me into fucking with your goddamned Blood War again?

My father's a vicar and as soon as I was old enough to read, he dumped a ton of old Moorcock and 2000AD into my lap and helped me get into roleplaying.

>American Christianity.

The problem lies from the fact that they're not changing their culture; they're just changing the belief in that culture. So when a bible bashing Christian Fundamentalist who believes he needs to save everyone or they suffer for all eternity morphs into a rabid atheist spewing dickhead who wants to save people from wasting their time.

Both sides of the American deep south.

What cultural wasteland.

I've been always wondering: why fedora is commonly associated with atheism, and not misotheism? You'd think that misotheism would be more popular with people who despise the notion of God.

What mother have you ever known not to get hyper specific when they get pissed?

>>said nobody ever.
Face it, the "moral outrage" against games was overblown by gamers so they could feel part of an intellectual elite opposed to the usual "dumb christians" while in actual fact their dumb Christian mothers and fathers are still there tollerating the strange men that live in their basements they once called sons.
Also, meanwhile, if you're muslim you'll get acid thrown at your face if you touch a dice but THAT is the religion of peace.

To them, that just means you're satanist just like their propaganda says!

I don't think you actually know anything about Muslims.

Here's a hint: Almost all religious violence often simply uses the religion as an excuse, rather than a reason.

Sure.

Never had a problem with that kind of stuff, really. The main concern my parents had when I got into TTRPG was the cost of manuals and models.

read the Quran, study its doctrines, look at Islamic history, understand the Muslim community and you'll see that you are wrong. But you're not gonna listen to what I say, so carry on with your life like the good brainwashed lefty you are.
I'm not even the guy you replied to.

I spent a decent amount of time dealing with Afghan natives in RC South, the "wild west" of the country and the birthplace of a lot of the radicalism that people are aware of.

And in my personal experience talking too, shooting at, and generally having to deal with some of the least educated and most fervent religious Muslims in the world, almost all of them are more interested in just making ends meet day to day, and doing what they need to do to make sure that happens.

Were they violent? Sure. But their violence was just as often directed at each other as it was at the hated Americans, and it almost always had a mundane reason. About the only shit that didn't have some practical grounding was honor killings, and that was usually just their version of appearing hard as fuck so no one would fuck with them.

Hell, even the guys planting IEDs were getting paid to do it, else they wouldn't have bothered. It was their best source of income.

It's easy to point at the fuckers being incredibly violent and just blame their religion, but honestly, put any group of people in the same situation they're in and they'd end up just as violent.

>that picture

Get fucked. I'm a huge proponent of what religious art has done for Western culture, but dismissing "atheistic" art as degenerate is incredibly facile. Terrible works of art are often atheistic, but that's because of a general decline (i.e. the aesthetic value of religion is lost on mediocre artists). And it goes without saying that popular religious works are hardly much better these days.

In short: by posting that image. you're talking about something you know nothing about. Please stop.

So what you're saying is drop prosperity bombs on them and they'll stop being so violent?

The issue obviously isn't that most Muslims are violent. The issue is that most Muslims follow an ideology that normalizes and justifies wanton bloodshed against political (religious) enemies.

Look at this. 42% of Islamic youths in France support terror attacks against innocent civilians. Not poor fucks who grew up in a warzone, but people who in many cases were born in a Western country. And if you're going to criticize these statistics, look at the source.

I'm not well read enough to actually answer that question, but I don't think it's that easy. Those fuckers have been at war with each other or someone else for so long that violence is all they really seemed to get. They barely trusted the guys living a hundred meters away from them, much less anyone else. Hell, sometimes I think in the end they trusted us more than anyone else, we had one Mullah who'd refuse to go to any of the bigger meetings unless we escorted him, he had so many people who wanted him dead.

It was like pulling teeth to even get them to do shit they wanted done, like building a school, because they absolutely refused to actually compromise with their neighbors. Shit like that doesn't just disappear because there's money involved.

Honestly, one of the hardest times we had with dealing with the locals is that while we were far more reliable, the terrorist organizations and groups didn't have any scruples about doing shit for them. They'd come to use to get shit to farm with and to build with, and go to them to smuggle their drug crops and get people fucking with them murdered.

And how many American Christians would support mass bombings of countries like Afghanistan or ISIS, even though a large portion of those people are innocent of any wrongdoing?

I mean, fuck, a large number of the people I dealt with didn't even fucking know what 9/11 was. Far as they could tell, we'd invaded their country for no reason.

I'm not saying that they're not violent, I'm saying simply blaming their religious beliefs for their violence is only a small part of the picture. It's not like theirs is the only religion that produces large numbers of fanatics, or that religion is the only source of fanaticism.

In my experience, such reasoning is an excuse, or hides a more mundane reason for the act of violence. Maybe not by the zealots themselves, but someone has cause to benefit in a tangible way.

People who failed philosophy class mostly and assume that ots the same thing

I've always believed that humanity is hardwired to have a Them vs Us mentality.

It can be buried under layers civilized behaviour, teachings and conscious effort to not be shit but it will always be in there somewhere.

Some people, those that try and build and run societies bigger than a small tribe, manage to bury it.

Those that embrace it and justify it with ideology or religious beliefs turn into human waste like the Soviets or ISIS or the American Deep South.

Wew lad settle. I'm guessing you're in maybe your late teens at most? Just chillout, nobody gives a shit and you look like a fuckhead to literally everyone not going through puberty.

>I mean, fuck, a large number of the people I dealt with didn't even fucking know what 9/11 was. Far as they could tell, we'd invaded their country for no reason.

This is by in large, accurate. The statistical majority of the people living in Afghanistan had no idea what the fuck 9/11 was, and fundie groups exploited that to further paint America as the devil.

>I've always believed that humanity is hardwired to have a Them vs Us mentality.
Thats because we're a pack species, and being a dick to people not in the pack is a survival mechanism. The trick is to attempt to expand the definition of the pack to all of humanity, not something that's possible I think, unfortunately.

Of course, there are almost always psychological reasons for terror attacks. Religious martyrdom plays heavily into a redemption narrative. Most Islamic terrorists in the West are fuckups who found new life through Islam. One of the Paris attackers owned a bar, the Orlando guy was probably homosexual, etc.

Yes, Islam may not be the core reason for most terror attacks, but it sure as hell provides a good justification for it. It's not a "small part" of the picture since its core beliefs normalize and glorify this behavior. How many Christian terrorists have there been in recent years? Christian fuckups generally turn to AA or something and reinvent themselves in a way that's positive to society. Christians denounce violent terror, while Muslims cheer about it.

And yes, the West has committed violent state actions in the Middle-East. Yes, Christians cheered about that. The difference is that the state's actions were not influenced by average Christians. It's hard to argue that further Islamic violence in the West is not perpetuated by its positive reception among Muslims.

You're too reasonable to be discssing religion/atheism on the internet. You need to leave.

No reason not to try and to try to make others try.

It'll probably take the rewiring of all of humanity's neurology to make that happen.

>How many Christian terrorists have there been in recent years?

The most recent one I can think of is the Planned Parenthood shooting in Colorado, which was last November.

Plenty of Muslims religious leaders have denounced terrorism, in no small part because a huge portion of those acts usually end up killing other Muslims.

And if we come to religious justification, we can just look back at the Crusades, where the Church was more than willing to create a religious justification to enable the violence they wanted to cause, for whatever reasons they had.

I'm not interested in trying to paint Christianity as being just as bad as Islam, just pointing out that religion often simply becomes an excuse.

>The difference is that the state's actions were not influenced by average Christians. It's hard to argue that further Islamic violence in the West is not perpetuated by its positive reception among Muslims.

Again, huge portions of the Muslim faith(or at least, the faith in the remote Middle Eastern countries) are only vaguely aware of terror attacks, if even at all. They're hardly influencing the attacks themselves. Sure, the Muslim immigrants into Europe might be doing so, but if you want to talk about a group who have reasons to enact violence(with no bearing on their justification, mind), then they would likely be the best examples in the world at the moment.

How many crusades have been called in the last 500 years?

Bro, the Crusades happened because the Christian pilgrims weren't allowed to visit the Holy Land by the Muslims in power, the Church got understandably pissed about it, called for a Crusade to free the Holy Land, and the European Kings' reactions usually was "I can conquer new land and get brownie points with God/the Church? Hell yeah!" Admittedly, what happened to the people conquered wasn't a good thing, and that was wrong, but the basis of them made sense on paper.
Except the Fourth Crusade, where they hit the Byzantine empire. That was stupid, and the Pope got real mad about that.

The problem Europe has currently, though, is not with the people in Middle Eastern Countries. Rather, it's with those who are coming en masse, settling down and refusing to assimilate, increasing the cultural divide and promoting the birth and growth of extremism. When you end up with Muslims and any other culture in the same place, bad stuff invariably happens: it's the culture that got buddhists to react violently.
The problem is not with the people practising the faith, but rather with the faith itself, which promotes religious imperialism and violence towards infidels (which is a pretty loose definition in Islam). You can't deny that the majority of religiously-inspired violence in the world today comes from that one source, whether it is against the West or against other Muslims. One can say #notallmuslims all day, but it doesn't change the fact that their culture doesn't mix well with any other, not even other Muslims, and that even if a moderate majority existed, their contribution to stopping extremist acts globally is next to nil, just like it was with the majority of Russians in the Soviet Union and with the majority of Germans in the Third Reich.

>The Crusades
Muslims literally invaded and conquered half of the Christian world, and had no intention of stopping. The crusades were a defensive action.

>Again, huge portions of the Muslim faith(or at least, the faith in the remote Middle Eastern countries) are only vaguely aware of terror attacks, if even at all.

Because they live in the stone age. Repeated polling has shown that the average Muslim holds beliefs that normal people consider extreme. The average Muslim believes that stoning women to death for adultery is okay. You're burying your head in the sand by using centuries-old events as justification to excuse modern ones. When is it going to fucking end?

The fedora thing is a reddit meme, but aggressive atheism is reddit cancer. The way this site works is someone trolls with either kind of bait and retarded redditors post until they get tired. I believe these threads are like tumors, one agent in our body is activating the cancerous growth, and we should see threads like these as a sign that we need more moderators or doctors.

WHEN THE FUCKING SCANDINAVIANS GIVE OUR SILVER BACK AND PAY COMPENSATION FOR ALL THE MONASTERY BURNING, NUN RAPING AND PEASANT KILLING!!! FUCKING SNOW-NIGGERS!!!!!!

Also we want reparations from Italy for the illegal Roman occupation of our shitty island.

> The average Muslim believes that stoning women to death for adultery is okay.
And the average American, most of whom call themselves Christian, believes that torturing someone because we suspect that he might be plotting against us is okay.

>Degenerate American Protestantism
>Representative of Christianity

I'm going to clear something up for you, since you've clearly never opened a book in your life. American Protestant Christianity went bonkers in the 20th century because the US government funded the most extreme elements of the religion as a hard-counter to Communist infiltration.

They found (unsurprisingly) that religious zealots are less receptive to an openly atheistic ideology than regular people. This went so far as to essentially fabricate history. The US dollar didn't originally have "In God we Trust" on it, nor did it have Pluribus Unum, the first US coinage ever minted said "Mind your Business" on it. True fact.

What you mistake for Christianity is literally a state-funded Psyop with the express intention of radicalizing the public against Soviet infiltration. To a degree it worked, it's taken thirty years after the death of the Soviet Union for Marxism to actually weaken the country to the point that people took an ancient Socialist Jew who never held a real job in his life before entering politics seriously.

But, outside of the hotbox of CIA-funded extremism that is North America, Christianity has become a moderate, comparatively progressive religion. Thank your government for ruining an entire religion, but don't blame the victims.

Most people are actually opposed to it, the government just doesn't care, and the public's attention span is too short to be bothered to follow up. Obama partially ran on a "close Gitmo" ticket, and he won.

Polling indicates that Americans favor torture.

pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/09/global-opinion-use-of-torture/
> The U.S. public is among the most likely to consider torture justifiable: 58% say this, while only 37% disagree.

Even middle eastern nations don't have as favorable a view of torture as the US does.

Similarly--and I'm going to do the unthinkable and defend the Muslims here for a moment--radical Islam is primarily a CIA Psyop.

Countries like Iran had largely secularized, functional hybrids of Islam and Western Liberalism going a few decades ago. The truth is that peace in the Middle East was almost achieved, but nobody wanted it. The CIA didn't want a potentially Soviet-Friendly bloc that controlled that much oil. The Shah of Iran was overthrown, radical Islamists were funded, Saudi Arabia and the US today continue to be the largest funders of radical Muslim groups in the world.

ISIS? A bunch of CIA-trained mercenaries. There are videos of Obama bragging about how much money and weapons he had sent ISIL back before they started burning people alive, but the truth is we never stopped funding them. The Joint Chiefs of Staff were recently exposed as having helped the Russians and Syrians target ISIS installations, against Obama's orders. As of now, the USA is literally in a proxy-war against itself, with the CIA and the Executive Branch supporting ISIS, and the Military tacitly supporting Russia.

So Radical Islam in its dangerous current form is ALSO a government operation to create an unlimited supply of useful idiots to combat Russian-backed regimes in the East.

She was right
Dungeons and Dragons is a far out game.

> Polling indicates that Americans favor torture.
Only for terrorists, murderers, and the like. You know, actual criminals. Whereas even the "moderate" muslims want to kill people over converting to another religion. There's zero similarity between the two.

>The average Muslim believes that stoning women to death for adultery is okay.

Yes, just like Christians believe that eating shellfish and divorce are both forbidden.

I stand correct. However, the belief that terrorists should be waterboarded, however disturbing of an opinion, is not the same as the belief that stoning is an acceptable punishment for adultery. The presence of regressive opinions in developed nations does not negate that same presence in underdeveloped societies.

Another difference is that the average American will never encounter waterboarding in his entire life. He will never see a victim of it or even hear about it happening. By contrast, Saudi Arabia publicly decapitates people left and right. There is a difference in the cultural implications.

Americans support torture even in cases of mere suspicion.

> You know, actual criminals.
If you want to claim that it's punishment for a crime, then convict them of a crime.

>Christians believe that eating shellfish
I beg of your pardon?

No, not just like. There is not a single Christian country in which eating shellfish and divorce are illegal. There are a great many Muslim countries in which homosexuality is punishable by death.

One of these countries is also the head of the UN Human Rights Commission--Saudi Arabia.

>However, the belief that terrorists should be waterboarded, however disturbing of an opinion, is not the same as the belief that stoning is an acceptable punishment for adultery.
It's not just terrorists.

Proof isn't required. All that's required is suspicion. It's just as fucking bad, stop trying to defend it.

> However, the belief that terrorists should be waterboarded
Not just terrorists. People suspected of being terrorists. It would be one thing to torture a convicted terrorist. But that's not what was asked in the polling. People were asked about the torture of suspected terrorists.

In the USA being gay may not be illegal but you get killed for it anyway so don't act like you've got this huge track record of tollerance.

I'm not defending it, I have just said that it is disturbing and messed up. I am however saying that it is not as bad as beheading homosexuals. I feel that that is inarguable.

I certainly haven't noticed that many gays dying. Hell, I've noticed more black people being killed then gays.

Yes, you might get shot for it in a bar by a Muslim Democrat. Notice how the ebil xxxians aren't gunning down fags in the street by the hundred with their barbarous black assault weapons.

That's because they are civilized people who disagree with the morality of homosexuality, not bronze-age savages who think it's okay to decapitate people for wanting man-ass.

> By contrast, Saudi Arabia publicly decapitates people left and right.
And in the US, execution involves slowly torturing someone to death for hours using a cocktail of drugs. Beheading seems fairly tame by comparison.

have you been living under a fucking rock
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Orlando_nightclub_shooting

"49".
That's 49 out of the "thousands" we apparently have still walking around.

Are you actually comparing the chemical execution of murderers to the hanging of homosexuals from construction cranes? It's honestly like I'm talking to a stereotype of a liberal with his head buried in the sand.

If this is true, then the Executive Branch has gone Cersei Lannister-style full retard.

Notice how quickly gays are thrown under the bus when a Muslim is responsible. Same thing in Sweden. Muzzie kills a gay kid and puts a poisonous snake on the body? Eh, it's his culture, we're probably just not being tolerant enough.

>but you get killed for it anyway
By muslims

Dungeon & Dragons is indeed a pretty terrible game. She was right in trying to stop you fags from playing an inferior game for plebeians.

Dude I've know about this kind of stuff for the longest time, and that I shouldn't care about what people on the internet say about it anymore. You don't need to make a point to me.

>2016
>Still talking about 35-year old, Burger-specific retardation that died out as soon as it sprouted
>Still insisting it's revelant to anything at all
"Lel, people consider RPG satanic" is probably Veeky Forums's version of /v/'s Thompson posting

She's right though. Play a real man's game, like Call of Cthulhu. D&D was for 14-year-olds in the 80's

It's true. And it is full retard.

Osama bin Laden and his Merry Men were receiving US funding back in the day because of their shared hatred of Communism.

Isn't that for safety and legal reasons?
Of the executioners, obviously.

Yeah, funding dissent is an old game that's really not doing anyone much good, at least from a lives and human rights standpoint.

Also the handling of post-baath Iraq was awfully incompetent, and what's worse is that I'm fairly sure it wasn't on purpose

I'm pointing out that the claim that Americans aren't exposed to torture, as was said in , is simply untrue. Americans do get to see it, they simply like what they see.

How is it not adding up? Please explain as if I were three years old.