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Spy edition

What secrets do you want to uncover?

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Don't mind me, nothing to see here.

A spy in an ostentatious outfit sneaking into a medusa court? I want to know what the hell that guy was thinking and who the dumbass is that made him a spy.

Asking again here since new-thread while I'd been writing it:

We looted a Madsen Light Machine Gun. It is very expensive, and now its mine.

Now I need to figure out how I can optimize this, because it seems to be immune to damage increases from feats.

Please user, story feats?

>All the archetypes are for the vigilante
Into the trash it goes

How much are you willing to pay for that information?

Could I just get a quick summary of the vigilante archetypes?

Vigilante archetypes you say? I can sure take care of that.
>Agathiel is animorphs
how long until someone combines it with Companion to the Lonely?

Nothing because I'm broke?

No.
You get all of them.

> prototype fireaem schemetic is 6x the price of firearm

Why?

>Animorphs

Oh my God, they totally are.

Not enough cash, stranger

I'll sell it at a high price

Literally: Paizo hates anything more advanced than a bow (starfinder's gonna be REAL special) whether it's a crossbow (we get the ancient greek/roman versions minus their actual power), a gun (hey there multiple feats to still not be as good until you also get a class ability) or a high-tech weapon (don't worry, by the time you can afford that laser, nothing isn't at least loaded with high fire resist or outright immunity to it).

And this is bad why?

Pretty sure it been done during its conception by a certain fox furry

Thank you!

R-r-repost

It's not, I'm just genuinely surprised that it became a thing.

Now to take it from the top.

Is it weird that I can name every one of the Animorphs in that picture?

Bunch of traits. Are they any good? Fuck if I know.

Sekrit missions. Some of these are kind of neat, though they mostly seem like DM sidequests that you can use to get small bonuses in between bigger missions. Not like the School ones, which are all solo things.

Some more Sekrit missions, this time with sekrit organizations.

Deep Cover is good. It's vague enough that you could use it to most Bluff and Disguise checks, so long as you're always maintaining your identity. Combine that with Fiery Glare to take 10 on Intimidate and all you have to roll in social scenarios is Diplomacy and Sense Motive.

Skip a few already-posted pages to get to information about some spy organizations with a few traits and feats thrown in.

Same thing as before, more feats/traits/spells/whatever. There's a nice smattering of stuff available.

Skip past the Vigilante archetypes and we get to some spells, with one goofy-ass motherfucker scrying on someone.

gar·ru·lous
ˈɡer(y)ələs/
adjective
adjective: garrulous

excessively talkative, especially on trivial matters.

Fucking godddamn

And last but not least, magic items. Concealed looks nifty, although I'm not sure exactly how it works? I guess it doubles as Shrink Object.

Social SPELLS are stupid.

Yeah let me just loudly speak and wave my arms around in a 'secretive' scenario - or in this case, just flail my fucking arms around - in a way that literally anyone with magical training can easily identify.

Brilliant plan. This is why Psion is better. Just expend focus to take 15 on the concentration check to hide your displays and you're good.

>claim identity, greater
I wonder if my GM will allow me to combine this with permanency and start a collection.

Hey /pfg/. I'm trying to rewrite the Drow so that they aren't a racist caricature of black people. At first I thought to just make them white and patriarchal, but that's kind of boring so I thought about making all drow nobles into blond-haired blue-eyed nazis and drow commoners into a thinly-veiled stand-in for african-americans in the American South.

Thoughts?

Still spell. Silent spell. Slight of hand/bluff check to conceal as part of conversation.

Suddenly, you are the Happy Mask Salesman.

If the spells don't come without V/S components they shouldn't exist, you can't use those spells as-written in social scenarios. Not to mention, high-level NPCs are going to have Arcane Sight and similar going on, so it wouldn't even work.

>Hey /pfg/. I'm trying to rewrite the Drow so that they aren't a racist caricature of black people.
Is it this bait or are you really fucking stupid?

That's horrifying. Amazing, but horrifying.

GM here, I'd allow it if you were in my group, because that's fantastic.

Just like the Happy Mask Salesman.

>Slight of hand/bluff check to conceal as part of conversation.


Source?

Should I use Arcane Eye or Prying Eyes for scouting a wizard's castle?

I don't know if there's specific rules for it, but I've known several GMs who allowed checks for concealing verbal/somatic components. There's also class abilities for I think Bard that allow you to do something similar, concealing spells cast as part of a song/performance.

Whichever one gives you the vaguest answers, because honestly, you do NOT want to know all the shit that's gone down or is going down in a wizard's castle.

So, house rule. Lame, I was hoping for a official way to do it.

The best part is it's not even busted, the spell ends instantly if the mask gets damaged.

But the end result is a person that's been watching atrocities performed in their body without any kind of control for days, months, maybe even years, suddenly let free.

What happens?

I didn't say it wasn't an official rule, I just don't know where it comes from other than its something groups I've played with have used.

Depends on the size of the castle, what you're looking for, the castle's illumination, and your caster level.

Prying Eyes has no darkvision or anything, and no light source of its own. If the castle's well-lit, use it - it lasts an hour per level.

Arcane Eye sees as you do, so cast Darkvision on yourself before you use it if the castle's dark, but it's also only minute/level to use, so you have to work rather quickly (or use a lot of spell slots) to explore much.

I personally use both to get the general layout of things, then Clairaudience/Clairvoyance to look at specific rooms in detail. Scrying, of course, is vastly superior if you know what you're looking for, but its cast time is huge.

>An animorphs archetype for the vigilante that gives "all-day" beast shape without ability score bonuses, but at least you can get level 8 pounce
>a kind of shitty "guys look we skimmed American history and learned about the underground railroads!" archetype
>ultra-weeb "guys we realized we forgot to invalidate the ninja when we invalidated the rogue": the archetype
>talent to skip prereqs for spring attack, making it almost a viable feat
>"Here, trade your social talents to get these shitty feats we know nobody will take otherwise! Yes they're still feats, but we know they're useless otherwise!"

Exactly as disappointing overall as I expected it to be but holy fuck that Agathial archetype is dank as fuck for people who want shapeshifting, and pounce means if you don't want combat feats you don't need to worry too much. I wonder if DMs would be willing to let a spellcaster craft a mask that gives you the ability score buffs and additional monster abilities while in your animal vigilante identity, or if Paizo will eventually make that an item themselves?

I bet someone is going to play a RoW campaign as an Agathian Aasimar Agathiel with a Wolf Form identity. I know I would.

They're black because they're evil. No shit. The paizo devs have even said that elves change their skin color based on alignment.

Here's an idea: Use a little bit of Necromancy and Claim Identity/Greater to craft a dead humanoid body/soul into a mask, and wearing it temporarily alters the bearer's race, racial abilities, and even their class level(s) [to a maximum of the wearer's hit dice]? Too much, or not taking it far enough? Because I want to make some Majora's Mask fuckery a reality.

It's a pretty big castle, and I don't think Arcane Eye will have enough time to explore the whole thing. I would go with Prying Eyes, except there are two major drawbacks it has they Arcane Eye doesn't: the eyes from Prying Eyes are visible and easily destroyed, and you only receive information from them when the eye returns to you... whereas Arcane Eye creates an invisible sensor that I receive live feedback from.

Both spells are also easily trumped by a pretty simple mundane defense- they can't open or bypass a door (unless that door has a pretty large hole in it). So I kind of expect to not get a lot of useful information from either spell, but even if we just learn a couple useful things like where some minions are it'll be worth the time. Because of that, I'm leaning more towards Arcane Eye (less chance of the eye being destroyed and some info gained even if it is), but I thought maybe someone at /pfg/ would know something I'm missing about the spells, or a better alternative to either.

*Would note that such racial abilities, class abilities, etc. would override the wearer's and not stack. Surely it's a given, but I felt the clarification was necessary for whatever reason

How does a mystics blade meditation work? It doesn't seem all that helpful.

If someone with a Permanency spell on them enters an Antimagic Field, what happens? Does their permanent buff go away forever, or come back after leaving the field, or does it only go away if you're in the AMF so long that the original spell's duration times out (since AMF suppresses Permanency and the spell it was cast on, but allows their duration to keep ticking)?

>That spoiler

Knowing /pfg/, a character like that has mere minutes before they get their ears scritched.

Lemme see if I can put it down properly:
>Spend 1 point of Animus and 1 full-round
>All but granted maneuvers are flushed and randomized; basically just take your maneuvers known and shuffle them around, then draw from the 'deck' to your maximum allotted.
>Until the beginning of the next round, enemies that melee attack you (they don't even have to connect) is subject to 1d6 points of damage of your active element per point of remaining animus the Mystic has in their Animus Pool (this Animus isn't spent; only the single point used to activate Blade Meditation).

It's basically a "BACK THE FUCK UP" defensive ability as the Mystic tries to hastily gather their maneuvers.

In hindsight, you're still gimped because the wolf forms are shit for offense (only a bite + trip, no claws, rake, or pounce) and don't offer much compared to the big cat options, hell, you can be a leopard at level 4 and get a bite + 2 claw attacks from the get-go. Unless your GM lets you refluff the big cat statblocks into wolves WHICH HE FUCKING SHOULD BECAUSE THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO ALLOW IT you're boned harder than I originally thought. You have options, at least, especially since you can go for EITHER stalker or avenger with similar results, but... The archetype is just kind of meh. It does what it says, and it does it competently for a martial class, but it's still worse than similar abilities.

>Knowing /pfg/, a character like that has mere minutes before they get their ears scritched.

Considering the kind of people that are in /pfg/, I wouldn't be surprised if they resorted to belly rubs. The degenerates.

Scrying only works on a specific person, so is useless for 'scouting'.

>what is scrying on a Prying Eye

You can't scry on a spell. Spells aren't people.

>Each eye is a Fine construct, about the size of a small apple, that has 1 hit point, AC 18 (+8 bonus for its size), flies at a speed of 30 feet with a +20 bonus on Fly skill checks and a +16 bonus on Stealth skill checks.

You're fucking retarded.

>Each eye is a Fine construct, about the size of a small apple, that has 1 hit point, AC 18 (+8 bonus for its size), flies at a speed of 30 feet with a +20 bonus on Fly skill checks and a +16 bonus on Stealth skill checks.
>Each eye is a Fine construct,
>Fine construct,
>Fine
>construct,

Fucking retard. Are constructs not creatures now?

They didn't used to be constructs so his confusion is understandable.

Ahaha no, faggot, you don't get to delete your post, get back here and accept your shame.

d20srd.org/srd/spells/pryingEyes.htm

Yes, they were. Shut the fuck up.

Too obvious.

Would an Inquisitor that does the following be NG or CG?
>Ignores man's law (when needed) to remove heresy and corruption in the nobility and lower churches
>Would interrogate even his superiors in the church to find heresy
>Wouldn't outright murder heretics, but arrest them
>Isn't kind in the Paladin sense, but all his actions are for the good of the land
>Disguises, Stealths and tresspasses to find heresy

...

NG, maybe even LG.

...

Could you fucking not?

Are you spamming to get us to hate it or something?

>Only two males are Drow
>Four females
>Only one reasonably armored doesn't even have a helmet
>The elf has what looks like a low-cut crew neck dress
>All of them wearing black boots
To be fair, the artist isn't that bad

Is this a /pfg/ meme

...

>Holy Gun
>Flavour and Fluff describes it rooting out evil with holy fire.
>Loses Smite Evil.
>Smiting Shot fizzles out if hitting non evil creature.

Hoo boy. Is there a way to make this work without multiclassing with Gunslinger?

>Only two males are Drow

Margrave is /still/ a maenad.

>The elf has what looks like a low-cut crew neck dress

...Vhat?

>Only one reasonably armored doesn't even have a helmet

In fairness, they're posing for a picture. Though you're right, there's two chain shirts and one suit of mail in this image, and 'chain shirt' is second-place only to 'studded leather' for idiotic ideas D&D invented in terms of armor.

So is anyone else looking forward to this shit?

Yeah.

Play a regular Paladin and use a bow. Then refluff it as a gun. Whoopee. Or use DSP's alternate firearm rules that have no misfire bullshit and take EWP (Firearms).

Look carefully at the second one.

No. There's no reason to look forward to anything Paizo produces anymore, they're clearly just milking their cash cow before it dies.

Sounds LG to me.

I'm playing a level 13 Slayer in a campaign about to wind down with a climactic confrontation between a high-level spellcaster built on mind-control and a Great Red Wyrm.

The DM has just given us the green-light to make up a "wish list" of items I would want for this end-game boss fight. What should I suggest?

Currently I've got a +1 Greatsword, +2 Breastplate, +2 Cloak of Resistance, +1 Ring of Protection. The character has a special template that gives him one free reroll on a failed save per day, true-seeing at will and light at-will.

I look forward to paizo books about as much as I look forward to shit like E3 and other game conventions. Most of them are going to be full of shit, but once in a while there's something worth bothering with tucked away in a corner that I can get excited for.

That dragon book set to come out in a month or two better be dank as fuck, though, or I'm going to be legit disappointed.

I'm surprised someone hasn't shopped Loss in yet.

Hey /pfg/.

I'm making a boss fight for my group.

A huge Construct called "The Fat Lady". She sings. and has a very large amount of artillery underneath her steel plated skirt. She's built for area of effect attacks.

How would you guys build it? So i can steal your ideas shamelessly or at least get a feel for what i should do.

Do natural ranged attacks provoke?

How so?

Lady, meet prince on white horse.

Sounds like he has a strong code of justice and what's right and wrong. He works within society to root out the elements that are hurting it, nonviolently when possible. The fact that he uses the tools necessary for the job (stealth, disguises) is irrelevant to alignment.

Still not quite getting what you're after, but all future reference, the chain shirts are on Margrave (far left) and Aisling (but why is she blonde). Anastasia (redhead, next to Aisling) has full mail but wears the leggings you're seeing over her light greaves, a tip Aisling gave her for street fights. Contessa (white hair with the glowing tips, next to Aisling) wears glamered armor; Sybil (next to Anastasia) goes without.

>CR = Party Level
>Use Low Attack and Low Damage column for her melee attacks, but grant AC one CR higher than normal
>Primary attack DC should use the High column, +2
>Completely immobile.

>DR/Adamantine based on CR (5 for 1-5, 10 for 6-10, 15 for 11-16, 20 for 17-19, 30 for 20)

>Three main attacks:
>Fire Wave (Burst centered on her, 1d6 Fire per HD, Reflex half, blocked by obstacles). Place columns in the room for PCs to take cover behind.

>Shockwave (She hits the ground. 30' or so Cone, 1d6 per 2 HD, Fortitude vs. Prone, success no Prone and half damage. Cone knocks down columns onto PCs for minor (1d6-3d6) damage and Pinned, Reflex to avoid entirely)

>Maddening Gas (Cloud of noxious vapors in a 10' radius Emanation somewhere within 60', causes Confusion on a failed Will save, Success causes Shaken instead, persists for 3 rounds, new save each round to shake it off, no extra saves allowed if you end turn in the cloud, lasts for 2d4 rounds after exiting regardless of saves)


>She isn't alone in the room, single monster encounters suck.

>Holes in the walls with Small constructs. Very fast, move in pairs, wimpy on their own (CR + PC level - 4), 4 of them total, make them creepy mechanical children that run on all fours, Claw+Claw+Bite full attack with Pounce and a Climb speed, immune to her special attacks, generally try to flank PCs that get caught in the fumes or pinned under a column.

>2 Large Honor Guards. High AC, High to-hit, High damage, DR/Adamantine, modest HP, no special attacks, immune to her special attacks, but 5' land speed. Reach weapon with Trip attempt on success. Stand near the Lady at all times, try to keep the PCs away.

Look at the faces.

Oh, Jesus, I thought you were replying to my question about the crew-neck comment. I noticed the face swap the first time it happened, two threads ago. 'twas fuckin' hilarious.

Huh, that's pretty awesome. Though how would you alter it if The Fat Lady WAS alone?

I suppose the Source material might help a bit. youtube.com/watch?v=Iq3_phBQA_Y

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So now we can leave reviews.

If I HAD to? Give her double actions per round if she's above CR 8 or so, make the Shockwave Daze on a failed save and Stagger on a successful one (for 3 rounds), and make the fumes cause Nausea on a failed save and Sickening on a successful one (same duration).

The reason solo encounters go poorly is the players' raw action economy advantage. Bosses need to reduce that advantage significantly to have a chance of surviving, either by having minions, or things that kill actions.

Oh, I forgot to mention. Every ability has a 1d4-1 round cooldown, so she can't spam things easily.

Good points. Though now that i think of it, The small constructs could be bodies that are strung across her that jump off and attack if the party gets too close.

The small ones aren't meant to kill the PCs, they're supposed to be harriers. Bother the caster with defensive casting, give the Honor Guards flanking bonuses, shit like that. They have same role as goblins in an Orc encampment.

Oh i get that, its more me figuring out reasons what the little baby constructs would be there.

I'm kinda flavoring The Fat Lady as a sort of Mob/Army buster, where they just drop her in a location and she starts cleaning house. So having her "Corpse Decorations" be part of her arsenal makes sense to me. Though the Honor Guard ones would have to come separately.

This has been really helpful! thank you sir.

No worries, I do this sort of thing often.

Interesting encounter design is a hobby of mine.