>What deck are you playing? >What is your list? >What do you want to see? >What do you want to avoid? >What is the best deck in the format? >When is your next tournament?
>What deck are you playing? Esper Green Death Blade [Super Control] LINK: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lgc-esper-green-stone-blade/ >What is your list? 4 Abrupt Decay 1 Batterskull 1 Bayou 4 Brainstorm 4 Daze 4 Deathrite Shaman 4 Flooded Strand 1 Flusterstorm 4 Force of Will 2 Island 2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor 1 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy 1 Plains 3 Polluted Delta 4 Stoneforge Mystic 1 Swamp 4 Swords to Plowshares 1 Sylvan Library 4 True-Name Nemesis 2 Tundra 1 Umezawa's Jitte 3 Underground Sea 4 Wasteland
Sideboard: 1 Batterskull 1 Council's Judgment 2 Helm of Obedience 2 Monastery Mentor 4 Rest in Peace 1 Sword of Feast and Famine 3 Thoughtseize 1 Trygon Predator >What do you want to see? I can handle anything the field throws at me. >What do you want to avoid? I can handle anything the field throws at me. >What is the best deck in the format? Tezzerator. The deck is criminally underplayed. Seriously guys please go out there and champion the deck. At least give the deck a shot. I borrowed it from my friend and the victory lines are super sweet. >When is your next tournament? My next tournament is in roughly 1 week. I am ready to make miracles, and lands my bitch. Those two decks specifically because they have developed negative karma for me. I also would not mind crushing UR Painter Servant.
That Kor Artificer looks like she loves some sensual yoga.
Xavier Jackson
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Eli Peterson
DnT here.
Chase Allen
I never see spell snare in legacy. It seems like it hits a lot. Are there just better counterspells and theres no room?
Gabriel Mitchell
Legacy players seem hate counter spells that costs more than 0 mana.
Luis Wood
>What deck are you playing? RG and RGb combo lands, almost done with 4c loam. >What is your list? Standard lists for both of them. Molten vortex instead of punishing fire in RGb. >What do you want to see? Delver. >What do you want to avoid? Bullshit combo. Omni-tell and oops all spells in my local meta. >What is the best deck in the format? Miracles, obv. >When is your next tournament? Weekly legacy on Sunday at LGC.
Jacob Reed
I want to slam SFM on T2 with double daze or double force because my opponent can get rekt.
Oliver Scott
Same situation, just with Jace, the mind sculptor (2UU), Jace, Vryn's Prodigy (1U).
Sometimes you sand bag the counters to guarantee your swords resolve against Infect. Hitting infect with Abrupt decays, DRS triggers, and Removal backed up with "free" counters is awesome.
Daniel Wood
Every now and then you a spell snare come out the SB from miracles because SFM + Friends are often times 2 CMC. Opposing Snaps in the miracles mirror are 2 CMC. Chalice of the void on 1 is 2 CMC (on the stack). The huge monster in the Miracles mirror is counter balance on double U and being 2 CMC.
Jack Thomas
I play it in Canadian Threshold from time to time, really depends on what I think is going to be at my shop. I usually have a 2-4 slots in the main that are non-FOW/Daze countermagic, usually spell pierce or spell snare just depending.
Carter Cruz
Many tempo decks would rather not lose mana efficiency leaving up mana for counters every turn. That said, I run a lot of Spell Pierces in my Grixis/RUG Delver or Show and Tell lists.
Connor Harris
>What deck are you playing? Grixis Delver w/ Abrupt Decay >What is your list?
4 Delver 4 Deathrite 3 Pyro 2 Angler 1 Clique
4 Force 4 Daze 2 Spell Pierce
4 Bolt 2 Decay 1 Dismember
4 Brainstorm 4 Ponder 3 Gitaxian Probe
8 Fetches 2 Usea 2 Trop 2 Volc 4 Wasteland
>What do you want to see? Decks with weak mana like OP's/Shardless/Eldrazi, combo is usually pretty good. RUG Delver is very favorable as well >What do you want to avoid? Lands >What is the best deck in the format? Miracles. No weaknesses to exploit. >When is your next tournament? Tomorrow night
Ethan Phillips
[OP Here] The greed is real. The greed is also packs all the answers all the time (except for people hating the mana base).
Confession: I do lean on DRS for T2 True Names or Slinging Double Spells on T2.
Confession: DRS is the single most broken card. Esper Green and other decks would not be able to splash without DRS.
The little deathrite that could.
Jayden Carter
Me waiting for miracles to finish topping.
Jaxson Phillips
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Christian King
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Brody Taylor
My problem with the deck is that almost half of your lands can't cast a Deathrite, and Decay is almost uncastable. Any deck which can pressure your mana should be able to run over it.
Ian Collins
That's the funkiest stompy deck i've seen in a while and i love it.
David Reed
Why isn't Dragon Stompy a more popular deck?
Matthew Cooper
I'll be taking DDFT to SCG Worcester. Just contacted a lawyer to help me write up my will.
Chase Gray
>Miracle >No weakness
Except it folds to big mana decks, like eldrazi. Not saying it's not good tho.
Cameron Carter
>Miracles has no weakness Dredgeplayerlaughs.jpg
Kevin King
I used to think this until a turn 2 RiP lands every time with force/spell pierce backup against therapy. It's not like you get to go off with Troll LED Breakthrough Looting every time.
Liam Hall
I've been goldfishing a fun little Doomsday deck for under $200 and I love it. Often goldfishes on T3, sometimes T2, with some 3 leftover mana for protection to spare. I should build it for fun and transition towards DDFT once I get myself the LEDs.
Liam Davis
list? im building towards the full thing atm
Ian Adams
List?
Joshua Jenkins
it's not that hard to play. by far the most fun storm deck
Ian Young
>literally only one green source and only 3 fetches for it >5 green spells mainboard and one in the side At least put one Tropical Island there.
Dylan Sullivan
Yeah, it's really nice in RUG Delver as a way to stop things like Rest in Peace or Baleful Strix that can really bog you down. I maindeck 1 copy.
Kayden Smith
>green efreets
it's beautiful :.)
Levi Taylor
Got this list online. It is as follows:
4 Burning Wish 4 Cabal Ritual 4 Dark Ritual 4 Rite of Flame 4 Ponder 4 Gitaxian Probe 4 Manamorphose 1 Tendrils of Agony 3 Doomsday 1 Night's Whisper 1 Meditate 4 Duress 3 Cabal Therapy 4 Ancient Spring 4 Sulfur Vent 4 Geothermal Crevice 2 Gemstone Mine 1 Chain of Vapor 4 Lotus Petal
1 Tendrils of Agony 1 Empty the Warrens 1 Doomsday 1 Tranquility 1 Meltdown 1 Firespout 1 Shelldock Isle 1 Emrakul, The Aeons Torn 1 Infernal Contract 1 Chain of Vapor 3 Dread of Night 2 Serenity
Serenity and Tranquility are bad, searching for options. White and Green aren't generated easily in this deck, way better if you can play something on Grixis so you don't need to sac your lands. The original list had 3 IoK, but Therapy is better and now quite cheap.
Not having LED means the most mana you can get out of a card post-Doomsday is +2 B with Dark Ritual, but the sac lands are +1 which helps quite a bit. Manamorphose cantrips and fixes mana fortunately. Since you have no top to leave on the battlefield, Meditate is required over Ideas Unbound.
Jaxon Ward
you have to buy a bunch of expensive niche cards that aren't useful in much else (the Imperial Painter problem), it's not that consistent (which makes it frustrating to play) and it is only good in favorable metagames (which, combined with the Imperial Painter problem, makes it risky to buy into)
Thomas Evans
Oh I know I've been playing it for a couple years now.
Lincoln Clark
Oh ok sac-land doomsday. I want to build it on mtgo but Doomsday's are like 2o to and thay's more than I want to spend
Ethan Diaz
Dredge can be rough, but it ends up being about a 50/50 matchup.
12 Post is really tough, but you can run enough non-basic hate to equalize it.
Eldrazi is not that bad of a matchup if you pack enough answers to chalice and a blood moon or way to win before Eye of Ugin goes nuts.
Kayden Long
One can dump the Doomsday and just run sac land tendrils but I like this better and you can just build towards DDFT little by little. LEDs should fall down in price, which might justify including Top, then fetches and duals, then brainstorm. But this version is quite resilient as is, the only glaring weakness compared to other versions being against LD. Wastelands will fuck you up.
Jack Clark
At my shop we call those type of lists "4c Shitpile"
Deathrite does not justify having terrible mana.
Levi Gomez
I think sac-land dday is better than Sac-land tendrils. More flexible and doesn't fizzle
Charles Wright
Does anyone here have a hard or soft lock on the Meta Game @ Squabbles (a store in Maryland)?
Michael Jackson
Tezzerator FTW.
Liam Mitchell
Got a preferred list? I play mostly Metalworker decks but I hear Tezz decks also like to play Chalice. Shame you play Force so that shuts out Trinisphere though.
Justin Jackson
I've finally completed my charbelcher deck. I'm ready to wreck everybody's shit until someone gets a Force of Will in their opening hand.
John Gonzalez
I'm about half way done with my list, lucky my lgs allows proxies for legacy nights. Can't wait to ruin someone's night.
Anthony Mitchell
I know it isn't legacy, my friends play vintage.
I want to get in, but I need a weapon that surpasses metal gear-- err, I need a deck that reliably can defeat flash hulk as that is the primary deck in the meta. I also don't want to just fucking clone flash hulk.
The main problem is the guy has immense luck. Like he usually gets the combo out reliably to the degree I think cheating is involved.
I know of a few decks that I want to play, but I want to see what Veeky Forums recommends against flash hulk. I was going to try doomsday but dat turn 0 that shows up reliably worries me.
Alexander Morgan
it does hit a lot but its also not a card that you really want to see more than one of in your hand. like, all game
so you run 1 at most and only a few decks can fit it in
Christopher Smith
>The main problem is the guy has immense luck. Like he usually gets the combo out reliably to the degree I think cheating is involved. Make sure he's shuffling well. I've seen a lot of scrubs just pile all their cards up and only mash shuffle a few times then complain when they draw 6 lands in a row. Other than that he's cheating, the T0 is ridiculously unlikely. Also Flash is restricted, if you didn't know that.
Asher Walker
I know it's restricted, but he either has cheats or god luck hacks. Basically I need to know what works against "The Unbeatable Flash Hulk Deck" if I want to even play in the group. I was thinking maybe something defensive like Oath of Druids, but I need to be able to counter turn 0 bullshit and friends potentially backing his ass.
Connor Jones
I just wouldn't bother, they sound like shitty people
William Roberts
Sadly they are the only group I got with my work hours. I work 3pm -11 pm and have off wed and thurs. I want to get back into magic, but at FLGS, they usually only play modern, standard or EDH. The EDH groups are usually not as fun as they claim to be. My friends play in private but on a day that I work but a time that is somewhat feasible and they are the only ones who play vintage or legacy. I now have enough money where I can enter either format but nobody to play with.
So basically it's >Find deck that is competitive with flash hulk or > play formats I am not entirely fond of, with strangers at an LGS
Eli Young
Have you tried MUD or The Deck? MUD on the play shits almost all 0 turn decks The Deck... is the deck
Hudson Anderson
>I now have enough money where I can enter either format but nobody to play with. You suffer of a problem, called the reserved list. sadly, you can't fix it
Andrew Murphy
actually haven't done mud yet I can pull off that
The Deck, I have never heard of.
I am buying two lottery tickets. If I win, I will buy Wizards or Fix it. If not, eh- well it's a problem that I will just deal with.
Gabriel Cruz
I definitely wouldn't drop 5grand+ on a deck to only play with cheating scrubs who aren't even playing the actual format Maybe just proxy up a stack of black lotus, ancestral recall, FoWs and some channels and banefires until they agree to play by the rules
Angel Lewis
My favrorite Tezzerator lists have solid 1 ofs such as ensnaring bridge, pithing needle, grafdiggers, and other. The lists I like to see played have a playset of the Baleful Strix which helps can trip and stonewall annoying threats.
Parker Cooper
Gush Doomsday is a lot cheaper and more fun. Hell if I really wanted to piss them off I could talk to china man, if I heard correctly his cards now pass the bend test and feel test.
wew lad. I am on my way to making 100k next year but that shit is too rich for my ass. As much as I adore the concept of a deck that uses the entire power nine and has a legit kill condition that is still somewhat viable I would rather take them down with something cheaper.
What is good enough in legacy to take on horse shit like this? I always wanted to build manaless dredge.
Evan Cook
Landstill is pretty good against A+B combo like Flash Hulk, and you don't need to buy that much power (really only need Recall to be competetive)
Kevin Adams
Fish
4x Cavern of Souls 4x Mutavault 4x Polluted Delta 4x Tropical Island 4x Island
4x Daze 4x Force of Will 4x Aether Vial 2x Chalice of the Void
4x Cursecatcher 4x Silvergil Adept 2x Phantasmal Image 4x Lord of Atlantis 4x Master of the Pearl Trident 4x Truename Nemesis 2x Merrow Rejery 2x Edric, Spymaster of Trest
Sideboard: 1x Pithing Needle 3x Submerge 2x Relic of Progenitus 2x Echoing Truth 2x Flusterstorm 1x Blue Elemental Blast 2x Kira, Great Glass Spinner 2x Hurkyl's recall
Haven't played a good legacy game in a while, but went 4/5 at my FLGS a while ago I really wish it were enough of a change to call it something like fish and chips
Nathan Brown
Meant won 4/5 tournaments at the FLGS, my bad
Juan Thomas
why don't more people play dredge since it shits on all kinds of things and has a fuckhuge favorable matchup against the retardation that is miracles?
Chase Kelly
I play a deck that runs 4 Trinisphere. Blow me.
Leo Gutierrez
Because the deck isn't all that good. The "fuckhuge" advantge it has over miracles is maybe 55%
Hunter Cook
How would a non-eldrazi MUD beatdown list do against Miracles? Something like this.
4 Kuldotha Forgemaster 4 Ancient Tomb 1 Blightsteel Colossus 4 City of Traitors 4 Metalworker 2 Sundering Titan 4 Trinisphere 1 Staff of Domination 4 Lodestone Golem 4 Wasteland 4 Grim Monolith 1 Karn Liberated 4 Cloudpost 4 Glimmerpost 1 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon 4 Chalice of the Void 1 Platinum Emperion 1 Staff of Nin 4 Vesuva 1 Steel Hellkite 2 Wurmcoil Engine 1 Crucible of Worlds
Sideboard
2 Spine of Ish Sah 1 Trading Post 2 Phyrexian Revoker 2 Sphere of Resistance 1 All Is Dust 2 Ensnaring Bridge 2 Ratchet Bomb 1 Batterskull 1 Tormod's Crypt 1 Steel Hellkite
Julian Hill
Its generally favorable, try1-2 cavern
Kevin Cox
What am I going to need Cavern for?
Samuel Mitchell
Pushing creatures through force/Counterspell
Connor Rivera
Because any deck that wants to can guarantee a decent matchup by dedicating sideboard slots, and even a couple hate cards will ruin your day if you get unlucky. Even miracles is barely positive because lol RIP DRS is everywhere, too, and while it doesn't hurt dredge nearly as much as reanimator its still not a particularly hospitable environment
Basically its a bad deck to play in big tournaments because eventually you will run into someone who really doesn't want to lose to dredge or you just get unlucky and they draw their hate early enough every game, and its a bad deck in smaller metas because people will modify their sideboards to hate you specifically.
Haven't tried it, but I'd think you lose a decent chunk of your advantage when you can't run 4 caverns.
FoW and Counterspells. Ignoring Counterbalance is nice, but its really only 4/60 cards and they just side them out g2/3. A cavern on Eldrazi can turn off another 6, which basically limits them to plows and terminus to deal with your threats, and not having counters to slow you down makes Terminus worse.
At least, that's my best guess. I don't play either deck.
Jonathan Johnson
How does the goblin charbelcher work in this deck?
Luis Sanders
I got too many creature variations to name for it and I can usually just Forgemaster out for stuff through counterspells when early disruption is laid through. Though i'll test it out.
>A cavern on Eldrazi can turn off another 6 >Eldrazi
But user, i'm playing a classic artifact MUD style. No Eldrazi to name here!
If I try Caverns then I should probably cut 1-2 Wasteland from the deck then.
Jaxon Lewis
Land tax
Alexander Thompson
Cut 1 city or 1 vesuva maybe. Wasteland is too good to cut
Joseph Young
Can't cut the Vesuva's or the City, they're what makes the crazy mana supply happens. I think i'll be safe cutting one or two Wasteland.
Gavin Johnson
4 Ancient Tomb 1 Badlands 1 City of Traitors 2 Creeping Tar Pit 1 Darkwater Catacombs 2 Island 4 Polluted Delta 1 Swamp 2 Underground Sea 1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth 1 Volcanic Island 4 Wasteland 4 Baleful Strix 2 Toxic Deluge 2 Transmute Artifact 1 Trinisphere 1 Engineered Explosives 4 Chalice of the Void 1 Crucible of Worlds 2 Dack Fayden 2 Dimir Signet 4 Ensnaring Bridge 4 Mox Diamond 1 Sword of the Meek 2 Talisman of Dominance 4 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas 1 Thopter Foundry 1 Trading Post
1 Forcefield 2 Spellskite 1 Batterskull 1 Helm of Obedience 2 Kolaghan's Command 4 Leyline of the Void 1 Notion Thief 2 Pyroclasm 1 The Abyss
How does this Tezz list look? I found it on MTGTop8, but I'm concerned by the lack of Forces. It appears to be more focused on Thopter combo than anything.
Ryan Harris
Oh I see
Jacob Carter
>What deck are you playing The new SnS hotness
>what is your list 4 Show and Tell 3 Griselbrand 3 Emrakul 3 Omniscience 3 Sneak Attack 3 Cunning Wish 1 Intuition 4 Brainstorm 4 Ponder 2 Preordain 1 Impulse 4 Force of Will 3 Spell Pierce 3 Lotus Petal 3 Ancient Tomb 2 City of Traitors 4 Scalding Tarn 3 Flooded Strand 3 Volcanic Island 3 Island 1 Mountain
Sideboard: 2 Kozilek's Return 2 Blood Moon 1 Boseiju 1 Defense Grid 1 Firemind's Foresight 1 Rushing River 1 Echoing Truth 1 Intuition 1 Surgical Extraction 1 Pyroblast 1 Flusterstorm 1 Release the Ants 1 Through the Breach
>want to see decks without an abundance of Karakas and that don't play Daze
>don't want to see Death and Taxes, Legend Miracles
>best deck eh, probably Miracles
>next tournament next Wednesday, hopefully. working in a game shop leaves me few opportunities to actually play
Matthew Reed
not samefag but anyway The best environment for dredge is MTGO Anyways, getting good at knowing your meta makes wonders of cabal therapy. for me Led dredge is super fun and i have gotten superlucky today with it (just a defeat today). but as you can jerk off on turn 1 (double led and double faithless looting) you can also get very bad hands.
Aaron Reed
Took Dragon Stompy out for a spin. Went 3-1
RUG Delver: 2-0. He thought I was on Grixis Delver. G1 I dropped a turn 1 blood moon, he had no basics and only 16 points of burn in his deck so that was a win. G2 he plays turn 1 Mongoose and forces my turn 1 Trinisphere, but can't counter my chalice and I ride a Prophetic Flamespeaker victory.
Belcher: 2-1. I win the die roll and mull to five. I drop a 3Ball and he scoops. G2 he makes 12 goblins t1 and I don't have double red for volcanic fallout. G3 Chalice 0 buys me two turns to find my 3sphere.
Merfolk: 0-2. He has basics. He has two drops. My deck does nothing.
Miracles: 2-0 He kept a 1 lander and expected to cantrip into more. Chalice 1 kept him honest, Rabblemaster quickly got there. G2 he kept a 7 with 3 mountains and a bunch of cantrips. He lead with a tundra into top, I drop a magus and he never hits colored mana.
I laughed like a maniac the whole time, this deck is too fun to play
Easton Baker
>parfait
fuck yeah nigga. I got this shit foiled out and it is delish.
Thomas Reed
>What deck are you playing? Imperial Taxes
>What is your list? 4 Æther Vial 1 Batterskull 1 Sword of Fire and Ice 1 Umezawa's Jitte 3 Phyrexian Revoker 3 Flickerwisp 3 Imperial Recruiter 1 Kor Skyfisher 2 Magus of the Moon 1 Mangara of Corondor 1 Mirran Crusader 4 Mother of Runes 1 Pia and Kiran Nalaar 3 Stoneforge Mystic 4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben 4 Swords to Plowshares 3 Cavern of Souls 2 Flooded Strand 3 Karakas 3 Plains 2 Plateau 4 Rishadan Port 4 Wasteland 2 Windswept Heath
SB: 2 Containment Priest SB: 2 Council's Judgment SB: 1 Cunning Sparkmage SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist SB: 1 Fiendslayer Paladin SB: 1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar SB: 1 Magus of the Moon SB: 1 Manic Vandal SB: 1 Mirran Crusader SB: 2 Rest in Peace SB: 1 Sword of Light and Shadow
>What do you want to see? Fair decks + derp combo decks. Also anything with 1 or 2 basics.
>What do you want to avoid? Burn, Oops all Dicks, TES. Basically glass-cannon combo decks.
>What is the best deck in the format? Miracles, not close.
>When is your next tournament? um.... sometime next week.
Chase Long
What's the best way to build Miracles?
Here's my list:
10 Fetches 3 Tundra 2 Volc 4 island 2 plains
3 Snapcaster 2 Mentor 2 Jace
4 Plow 4 Terminus
4 Force 2 Counterspell 4 Counterbalance
4 Brainstorm 4 Ponder 4 Top 2 Predict
Mason Nguyen
So I've been playing Limited and Standard for about two years, and want to get into legacy/modern. The Thopters deck / Tezzerator looks interesting. How similar are the two decks in Modern and Legacy? Can I start out netdecking the Modern deck, gradually "upgrading" it to legacy, or are the decks miles apart in terms of deck lists?
Kevin Wilson
The legacy version generally runs more like prison elements and has better fast mana. Being able to Chalice 1 on turn 1 is big in legacy. There is some overlap for sure.