What's Veeky Forums opinion about pic related?

>Veeky Forums - Traditional Games
Not sure if ironically stupid or just shilling.

I know that feel too. It's like when you are in a workgroup and some lazy people start gossiping and complaining about the ones that are really taking the job seriously.

Magic the Gathering?

How is Magic worse now than it was before?

I feel like dudebros could be pretty fun to play with in the right context. Not exactly familiar with Exalted, but what I do know makes me think it could work.

>In a capitalist sense, it's rational for companies to extend advertising and get new customers for their product.

And in a capitalist sense, it's also rational for companies to slash their product to 60% of the quality if they can do so at 55% of the cost*. Doesn't mean I have to like it!

*insert caveats for autistic economists about how "cost" is the wrong word and I should be using precise autistic terminology to describe the wal-martification of product

No one is talking about the product per se, or the market.
Go shill somewhere else and quit shitposting here.

But don't you think this fenomena lowers the quality of the hobby itself? I mean, making it more mainstream and easier for the non original members doesn't makes it shittier?

Women actually can have interests in niche subject matter. Strange, I know.

>But don't you think this fenomena lowers the quality of the hobby itself? I mean, making it more mainstream and easier for the non original members doesn't makes it shittier?

Can you explain why those things actually make it worse?

Because it loses the original essence of the hobby and turns it into some casual shit? God, get some reading comprehension, son.

If you don't like it, and you're in the minority, maybe you should go make a clan about it.

>how to deal with womyn and minorities that join the game you're in?
Best way to deal with those is to stop posting bait threads on a slow board like Veeky Forums.

Well, okay, obvious Wizards / Hasbro is going out of their way to target normies, so it isn't entirely the normies' faults for taking the bait, but the hobby has definitely been shit up by non-nerd types.

>original essence
>casual shit
>reading comprehension

Would you try this again with less meaningless buzzwords and memes?

Again, how?

How has becoming popular shit up the hobby?

anticapitalist scum go move to cuba you cucks

How does it do that?

Like, you have to actually explain how it happens.

>hey, let's ignore an actual problem just to play the cool politically correct guys

As the picture states, I spent too much time and money with something I love just to ignore this and let it be ruined.

By disenfranchising the players who genuinely enjoyed it and simplifying the game to pander to standard and draftscum who think of the game as nothing more than a beer and pretzels game.

>It's like when you are in a workgroup and some lazy people start gossiping and complaining about the ones that are really taking the job seriously.

Nope its not, the lazy guys arent joining your group thinking they are better than the rest of the group, so good that the teacher or boss will see then with good eyes, thats the key point.

Give an example of a game literally collapsing due to a casual audience, and then prove that it was girls and Alphas chasing girls that ruined it.

Magic hasn't collapsed, it's doing better than ever. And I'm pretty sure it's 'core' audience just complain loudly then get back to playing, yet to see any evidence of them leaving in droves.

I bet he's going to be like
>NWO
in regards to mtg without having understanding of what it means or represents

Nice MS Paint image, faggot.
Would be a shame if something happened to it.

It really gets my gobstoppers when people describe themselves as nerds, as though it's some badge of honor. Nobody's stopping you from playing the old version of the game; just keep the old rulesets and restrict cards published after a certain date from use. Call it Vintage Magic.

Found the normalfag

And how have they done that? Are you still mad about Mana Burn not being a thing?

>actual problem

Simplification isn't inherently a bad thing. You seem to be talking about magic, so explain how the removal of complexity has made the game worse, and how they've disenfranchised the players who enjoyed the game?

It's hardly "anticapitalist" to point out that capitalism does not generally encourage companies to optimize for product quality beyond the minimum necessary to keep people buying things. Communists have nothing; capitalists have computers, which is better; but capitalists still have computers that break down, lose data, drop connection, corrupt files, freeze programs, and generally throw shitfits at unpredictable moments.

(There _were_ rare computers, mostly academic constructs and short-run experimentals, that never froze, never crashed, and never lost data short of smashing the drive with a fucking hammer. They were outcompeted on non-quality attributes.)

Are you retarded? Do you just not know about any of the contemporary design philosophies Wizards utilizes?

Standard is a watered down format where "design complexity" has thoroughly fucked rarity, and draft chaff is reprinted ad nauseam because idiots think "good draft environments" justify shitting up half of a set and dooming most cards to never being remotely constructed playable.

I mean, I know next to no one who plays anything but EDH now. We all dropped out of the standard rat race ages ago because of how shit the direction the game is going now. Depowering spells, a heavy focus on planeswalkers, the circlejerk around the drafting environment.

I'd rather everyone have a decent computer than a handful of people have great computers.

So just organize to play the game without the parts you don't like and create unofficial tournaments with your alternative rulesets.

Or are you mad because you won't be able to claim you're playing the 'real' game?

>Like, you have to actually explain how it happens.

Guy go to a show of merzbow with his girlfrield.
one example of merzbow music ( youtube.com/watch?v=A5FWAj6oSRQ) be carefull with the loud noises.
His girlfriend say "i hate this, and holy fuck it doenst even have vocals"
At other time they go to shows, instead of going to shows like merzbow, he go to show where artists sing, like this (youtube.com/watch?v=EGNKgah948s ) loud noises too. He do that to try to please at least a little more his girlfriend.
He prefers way more the artists that doesn't sing while they are playing and so have less fun when he goes to those shows

Sure, and I can respect that position. On the other hand, wouldn't you rather a handful of people had Veeky Forums over everyone having a youtube comment section?

So your personal experiences define the entirety of the Magic communities condition?

And you're clearly upset with the way the direction of the game has gone, but you haven't shown why that direction is actually bad. Some of the worst times in competitive magic were the result of spell based combo decks basically destroying the game, after all, so it makes sense that spells would see a general depowering.

So you can't give an example then?

>womyn
Not welcome

>women
Welcome. Rare, but welcome

I'd rather a handful people had club meetings than everyone had Internet shitposting boards.

You mean the Veeky Forums everyone complains is being 'polluted' by normies, redditors and millenials while arguing the old Veeky Forums was better?

So both people compromise rather than one person being unhappy and one person happy?

At this point, I'm starting to realize you are just being intelectually dishonest. Not replying your shitpost anymore.

Why wouldn't the green guy become black over time?

Ok, I have no idea what you're talking about.

First of all, you brought music into the picture, which has nothing to do with what we're talking about, and also makes you a terrible person.

Second of all, your example has nothing to do with the concept we're discussing. Your example involves fringe things losing their fanbase over being too fringe, when the argument is that fringe things gain mainstream appeal and are ruined by it. You'd have been far better served(ok, not at all, but let's pretend) by using a selling out analogy.

Also, why wouldn't the guy just go to merzbow or whatever himself, and go to entirely different concerts with his girlfriend? Or why wouldn't they each go to their own things, and then spend time together on something they both enjoy?

Her compromise was going to the shows with him when she wasn't into the artists. And then going again when she hated the first artist.

>So both people compromise rather than one person being unhappy and one person happy?
The problem is that you compromise to make the amount of people happy, instead of letting people follow their own paths and becoming super ultra happy instead of just happy

That is literally the truth, though. I've been here since the start, and it's become really Reddit tier. The only good thing to happen to this board in years is the purging of quest threads.

Also, I can't fucking tell either way, but why is the second artist worse than the first?

Yea, because Jim Profit was a great example of the quality of this board.

Or shall we dig up even older examples of how Veeky Forums used to be shit to appease your misguided idea that old Veeky Forums was better?

Nah. My group consists of close friends who aren't socially retarded. If someone joins that we don't like or who doesn't fit in we will say so and eject them as is right and proper. If you can not only stand us being generally unapologetic jackasses but also maintain your own in much the same way you can not only stay but join us afterwards at the bar.

Too bad they aren't leaving because the mods aren't enforcing their ghetto.

Surprised nobody has decided to use WoW as an example yet. I know this is Veeky Forums, but it's relatively the same ain't it? Game gets watered down and then the devoted original players leave since it's no longer what they want, but casual players aren't devoted enough to commit and so also leave in time.

Or maybe people just finally realized that WoW was shit to start with?

>I liked it before it was cool

The picture assumes that you, the person angry at the current state of the game, are black. Given that you probably aren't Gary Gygax's ghost, you're actually green at best.

And so they leave for more hardcore, newer MMORPGs where they can enjoy and stay devoted until the developers of that game start to casualize it.
NOTHING OF VALUE IS LOST.
COMMUNITIES CHANGE.
DEAL WITH IT.

Far more relevant to computer games and comics than ttrpgs

No need to go that far.

Just look at MtG and some tabletops.

Chad Thundercocks and Gamer Girlz infesting everything to look "cool and nerdy".

Like people, you mouthbreathing retard. Throw out the shit players and keep the okay ones.

>Jim Profit
You mean the guy we all shit on every day whenever he made a post, whose name now triggers an autoban?

Veeky Forums was fine. It shittalked the guy 'till he was gone.

It's shit by modern standards, which WoW largely helped to establish (and have since moved on from it). At the time of release, WoW was quite revolutionary and I do not recall anybody making actual criticism of the game beyond extremely minor points.

People like you claim Seinfeld isn't funny.

Soul crushing

I have never seen any "dudebros" into MtG so despite being a 20 year old hobby it must only be at the "omg females" step 4.

im sorry Op that cool people joined your group and improved it

Nothing's better than laughing at fours eyes over there due to him taking games seriously

Nerds deserve to be laughed.

Also I'm guessing this means now wouldn't be the time to jump back into standard

Not agreeing with OP, but I can definitely see hipsters playing MtG with prefab decks in their board game-themed bars while drinking artisanal microbrews in the next five to eight years.

It's definitely at the female step. I'm actually pretty okay with the girls who come to our LGS, though it's baffling how they come every week and have no idea how to play the game.
>EDH night
>girl flashes me the japanese rune-scarred demon in her hand
>"What does this card do again?"
>she's asked me this at least two other times in prior weeks
>she was the one who put it in her deck

>Implying the initial group does not contain females to begin with
>Not realizing you are probably an autistic grognard
In my experience, the females are even more invested in the RP, which is exactly what I search for because I like my games to be 100% in character in a simulationist system.

I don't see where what you are implying. Where do you see systems going more normie? I am genuinly interested where you see this? Just don't play the normie systems?

I mean, what stops you from playing GURPS, SW:EotE or something?

Or are you one of those autists that think RP is for normies and hates on story driven games?

No, really, stop being a retard.

SHE WANTS TO FUCK YOU, YOU DUMB DUMB NIGGER.
EITHER FUCK HER, OR CLEARLY TELL HER YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED.
>b-but why do you think she's like that?
Because I refuse to believe people are that dumb.

>asking someone what a card does means you want to fuck them

How is that being intellectually dishonest? Also: That was my first reply of the entire thread.

She already asked him TWICE before that.
Again, I refuse to believe people are that dumb.

Eh, I don't like the cardpool that much, but it's worth a look.

I can assure you for a number of reasons she doesn't want to fuck me. She was very sincere in forgetting what it does.

Well, your funeral, buddy.

>"What does this card do again?"
>"It gets my attention. Just like you."

>What's Veeky Forums opinion about pic related?
I think that it's an incredibly naive interpretation of reality that's put forth by insulated people who can't effectively cope with leaving their tiny bubble of experience and react negatively by blaming others for their own inability to cope with change and the cognitive dissonance caused by the bursting of the fragile false ideological narrative of the world that they created for themselves.

>I liked it before it was cool

Yeah, this is just the D&D nerd equivalent of that cancerous segment of punk rock that sits around bitching about how punk is being ruined by all the "poseurs" who aren't real punks.
IE a complete circlejerking waste of time

>not one mention of Veeky Forums itt

>being able to identify women or dudebros on Veeky Forums

Exclusivity is an appeal, even if something is exclusive only by dint of its unpopularity.

Game of thrones is a pretty good example desu.

I never played WoW. Is it really dying due to watering down? I know the devs have made some shitty decisions recently but I didn't think it was to appeal to a 'casual' crowd,.

>I think that it's an incredibly naive interpretation of reality
>makes an incredibly naive interpretation afterwards
Ok, womyn or minority? No problem, no one is going to judge you.

>In any given situation, I can't possibly imagine having sympathy for anyone who can't handle people. So, I find where these shy people hang out and bash them every chance I get.

But "the original crowd" never approved of Game of Thrones. They enjoy A Song of Ice and Fire, which has no appeal whatsoever with most women and dudebros.

This happens in occasionally in individual groups but not the hobby overall

> that cancerous segment of punk rock that sits around bitching about how punk is being ruined by all the "poseurs" who aren't real punks
They do have a point, though.
Punk was a violent subculture focused on enacting actual real-life change. Punk rock was one of the movement's creative outlets.
Basically, the movememnt became teethless, because it became mainstream, and mainstream just isn't violent - instead of the movement changing the society, the society suberted the movement from within.

You have critically overestimated how much women care about attention.

>i hate doublethink
This is at least three levels of irony.

Punk actually was ruined by "fake" punks though, at least for the OG crowd.

Punk rock was the music of a social group co opted by people not a part of that group nor with intent to assimilate into it but who appreciated the media produced by it. This made socializing within that social group a real fucking pain in the ass.

Have you ever met most women.

Women need attention in the same way they need air and food.

However few women would need to resort to this to get attention as much much simpler and easier routes abound.