Are you dense? It was removed from the archives. All of the surrounding systems are mapped but that one is conveniently missing. It was deliberately hidden. It has nothing to do with Obi Wan not having heard of it.
So it's possible that it was a secret member of the Republic (how would that work?) but that's more baseless speculation like your "clones totally might have an option to quit that was never ever mentioned so I can keep white knighting the Republic".
Kayden Butler
Plus, is a treaty not authorized by the Senate even legal or binding?
Hudson Gonzalez
Yes, the Republic isn't a pure federal government.
Colton Ortiz
There were over 3000 years between the prequels and first contact. How the hell did nobody in the entire Republic figure out who was making kyber and saber darts? How is it that nobody knew about the Subterrel mining op or trace the clone personnel back to Kamino? How is Dexter the only person outside of Palpatine's conscpiracy to know about Kamino? How long ago were the archives wiped? If it happened years ago, why did none of the Jedi archivists detect deletions or tampering with their files and backups? And the likelihood of it being a Senate member the whole time is so minimal as to be zero, but that doesn't leave out the possibility of bullshit secret treaties, secret correspondences, or the wipe merely being recent. Obi-Wan and Yoda certainly never had any reason to type "Kamino" into a search engine before.
And we all know the clones were treated like shit. The Republic dealt them a shitty hand. No question there. All I'm arguing is that there is insufficient consistent hard evidence to classify pre-mind chip episode clones as slaves by modern legal definitions--there was remuneration, their treatment across writers was inconsistent, and a number of clones did manage to escape active combat duties with Kaminoan and Jedi consent. There was insufficient evidence to say they did or didn't have any real independence, and conscription is not universally considered a form of "slavery." But the mind chip pretty much nails the coffin shut in my long list of incredibly shaky arguments.
Jacob Peterson
>How is Dexter the only person outside of Palpatine's conscpiracy to know about Kamino?
DO NOT TRY TO MAKE SENSE OF THE PLOT OF EPISODE 2.
YOUR BRAIN *WILL* MELT OUT OF YOUR EARS. TRUST ME.
thoughts? The general idea is you space them out for maximum coverage, and have huge swaths of the board in your field of fire. The bombs are either for the initial sweep across the board, or to deter pursuers.
Henry Myers
It's simple. Count Douku is rallying systems to align against the Republic. He has bugs make robots so that the Republic gets scared and they make clones to fight the robots but the clones were already made before the robots. The Galactic republic is made up of 1000 worlds and can't raise a volunteer army. Padme is the chief senator opposed to the military creation act. She has constant attempts on her life. Obi Wan finds Kamino because he was tracing the source of the darts that Jengo Fett was using to try to kill padme. No one knows about Kamino, not even Yoda who has been alive for 800 years. Obi Wan sees the clones and discovers the order to make them was placed under suspicious circumstances, ten years ago, at the exact same time that Palpatine was elected chancellor.
So Obi Wan tells the Jedi order about a gigantic clone army that no one knows about being built on a planet no one knows about that he found while he was following evidence that was leading him to the people attempting to assassinate a senator against a military buildup. He informs the Jedi council, who suspect a sith lord is behind it all.
Parker Gutierrez
>Drosalers on a K-Wing
That's the most redundant bullshit i have seen since the time someone put Munition Failsafe on Blount. For K-wing it is TLT or bust. Maybe Ion if you are wired.
Adam Hughes
The dorsal turrets are pointless. Drop them and take more munitions.
Jaxon Rivera
Since someone is trying to kill padme for no reason they use her as bait to draw out the assassin trying to kill her. The assassin is a shapeshifter who can change their face by thinking it and was wearing a disguise. They chase the assassin to a sports bar where the assassin tries to sneak up on obi wan instead of trying to escape. Obi Wan cuts off the assassins arm and they die.
Ryan Jenkins
oh shit, he's finally lost it! run!
Leo Gomez
So Anakin takes padme back to naboo because the Jedi coucil thinks she will be safer there The Jedi think that Anakin is the best person to take her on a romantic getaway because they are star crossed lovers and love leads to the Dark Side. Once you make a personal commitment to follow the rigid lifestyle of the Jedi order when you are 2 you aren't allowed to love anymore. Padme isn't allowed to date anyone because she is a senator. There are many obstacles in this romance that is happening. Anakin murders women and children and brings a corpse back and goes on a megalomaniacal rant. After that, Anakin and Padme get married.
Luke Anderson
You forgot the part where Christopher Lee looks directly at you the viewer and a single tear rolls down his face as he's forced to have a sword fight with a CGI muppet that only we can see.
William Gomez
Got to admit, murdering a village of sand people, and the women and the children- gets most chicks hot for a long term relationship
>unless they're sand people
Jacob Nelson
So here's my latest build based on imp vets, I'm a little worried I've done a silly and made an illegal list because this list seems horrendously OP(i'm going to try to oneshot my mates Bossk with Rexler)
Alexander Bailey
Well I HAVE done a silly now cos I forgot to post the list:
I just wish they had someone else write it. God damn it Lucas.
Ian Reed
Cont.
I mean I liked the whole Obi-wan intrigue and mystery bit, I just wish the rest of the film could've been better ugh.
Pretty scenes of Naboo and Coruscant though
Asher Barnes
Luke, do you remember when I said I didn't remember ever owning a droid? Well I actually owned like 20 of them over the span of the clone wars.
Anyway, here is your fathers lightsaber, he used it to kill 30 children. And he was a good friend.
Matthew Richardson
>In fact, I owned this droid in particular that we are sitting with right now
Jonathan Parker
>"certain point of view" is meme'd to hell and back >Obi-Wan's statements not meshing with shit that happened in the prequels is somehow a failure in writing You can pick one and only one
Hunter Sullivan
>How did my father die?
Well after he choked your pregnant mother into a coma, I chased him halfway around Mustafar. Then I chopped both his legs off, his left arm and then left him to burn to death next to a stream of lava
And he was a good friend
Jaxson Phillips
Porque no los dos?
Nathan Smith
Its called alzheimer.
Evan Ramirez
It can't be both when you're acting like somebody repeatedly shown to be a chronic liar not telling the truth is somehow a breach in canon. Plus R2 is, by all appearances, a fairly standard astromech on first glance. Obi'd have sooner recognized the golden mannequin with the shitty accent that was always hanging around his best friend's waifu logically.
Jaxon Sanders
So you're saying we CAN'T meme how bad writing makes a character who fudged the truth into an outrageous liar?
Luke did I ever tell you how your father turned evil because I left your grandmother to rot in slavery for like 15 years?
Robert Kelly
Luke, did you know general during the clone wars, I was. Led several planetary invasions I did.
Always use the force for knowledge and defense, never for attack.
Ayden Hill
Of course! Being Jedi was poorly paid cause the Jedi Order had to secretly found the BigAss Secret Clon Army!
It makes perfect sense!
Samuel Reyes
Luke, did I ever tall you about the time your grandmother fell out of a moving aircraft? I ordered your father to forget about her and continue his mission
Benjamin Howard
fund*
Austin Fisher
lel
Jason Martinez
is Slaved Turrets in armada any good? seems that you can really handicap yourself by not having the ability to shoot twice (albeit from two different hull zones)
Carter Sanders
except he is an outrageous liar because he convinces himself it's better than breaking the truth that and not being as proactive as he should be unless somebody higher on the totem pole tells him to sack up are his two biggest flaws I guess i'm just salty from hearing HURF HE DIDN'T MENTION THE DROID LUCAS IS SUCH A HACK THE PREQUELS RAPED MY NEWBORN SON so much unironically it's hard to separate from meme-ing
Sebastian Myers
does star wars have Bullpups?
Daniel Kelly
I genuinely think the fact that the guy responsible for creating Star Wars doesn't even give a shit about his own canon is hilarious
Zachary Watson
I genuinely find this stuff hilarious, because lets face it- if we can't have a laugh we'd be crying
And it will get us the death sentence in at least 7 sub forums anywhere else
Anthony Peterson
It's a big galaxy. There are so many gun manufacturers and blaster/slugthrower models out there that it would be a statistical inevitability.
Isaiah Garcia
maybes though its that prior to the 80-90's, no one really thought "hmm I should appease nerdy fans by making sure everything about my fictional world makes sense"
I'm pretty sure when HP Lovecraft was alive and kicking, no one wrote him letters saying "hey this story you wrote seemed to have not matched up with that other story."
I mean could be worse, could be JRR Tolkien's "stop taking Tom Bombadil seriously!"
David Turner
I think that ultimately it was kind of good for everyone. It's good to keep grounded about this stuff. Star Wars is still awesome. Not even the creator can make Star Wars not Awesome.
Nathan Reed
Yeah, but the droids are major characters in the prequels. It would be like chewbaca walking in and han solo going "Who is this guy?"
I think that, at least only considering the OT, Obi-Wan was once a idealistic crusader, often running off to have adventures and rescue princesses and such and that eventually drew Anakin in.
But that was a long time ago, time and desert sun, and old pain have worn him down into an old man. Luke idolizes his father, he's young and learning the truth would have been.... well, no one ever really recovers from the realization that one or both parents are shitbags.
Now, SHOULD Obi-Wan have told him? Yeah, that certain point of view shit was not okay and I've been on the receiving of that and 'we're only doing what's best for you'. But I can understand why he did it and Luke gets a valuable lesson that his teachers are fallible.
Or you could go with the whole picture which is Obi-Wan was involved in so much and knew so much that he could have told this kid that he NEEDED to know, which is actually worse.
Juan Butler
I'm still pretty new to Armada but I feel like the only ship you really want to put them on are Nebulon-Bs.
Oliver Campbell
yea that what was I was thinking
especially with the new spinal guns or the new ion cannons that are slightly cheaper than the side red dice adder
Gabriel Myers
>It would be like chewbaca walking in and han solo going "Who is this guy?" he could just have gotten alzheimers, which would make the whole life debt thing very sad
Sebastian Sullivan
Not really. Threepio emulates a civilian model droid that's had multiple memory wipes and R2 actually IS one and doesn't have the ability to communicate with the average joe. Though I can imagine Ben dragged Artoo over to a corner at some point and said "keep your trap shut or I'm going ham with the arc welder" You've got a much more compelling argument of "why didn't Artoo (who's shown to be able to communicate with Luke at least in later installments) never bring up 'hey I was your dad's co-pilot for LITERALLY YEARS and I was there when Benny fucking rekt him"
Cooper Davis
we all agree that the MC Star Cruiser is the sexiest rebel big ship right?
dem hips
Jonathan Howard
Damn, man
William Price
I don't think anyone's arguing that wasn't a dick move on Obi-Wans part. But both him and Yoda show the main theme that they've lost their way in some regard, which is why even after the whole "only act in defense" spiel and otherwise they're still going 'naw dog you have to kill vader, no other option'. Yeah it's silly there's so much he didn't let on but doesn't that happen with any series with expanded universe style stuff or pre-original product spinoff?
Carson Powell
maybe R2 took oath with Bail to never bring up Anakin being Vader to anyone. not even to Leia or Luke
Blake Campbell
I don't really know much about the EU, what other large rebel ships are there to compare it to? It's certainly better looking than the Home One though. The Nebulon-B is still my shipfu though.
Cameron Roberts
Entirely possible that span of time was 'blocked' from recall or something. But as of Phantom Limb even memory wipes Or at least shoddy proto-rebel ones don't fully work.
Juan Rodriguez
>what other large rebel ships are there to compare it to?
a few on top of my head Assault Cruiser Mk1 Assault Cruiser Mk2 Nebulon B2 (looks so stupid) Dreadnoughts all the other MC ships (theres a lot)
Austin Young
>The droids are major characters >Not really.
From a certain point of view
John Powell
You want some more feels?
Easton Parker
feels time?
Dylan Carter
>Nebulon series Seeing as most of the RebNebs were stolen from their original Imperial owners, could they really be counted as truly "Rebel" craft? Hell, one of the most iconic Nebs, Warspite, was Imperial-aligned and a source of much Rebel frustration.
Camden Anderson
Who the fuck would draw that
Bentley Young
>Seeing as most of the RebNebs were stolen from their original Imperial owners, could they really be counted as truly "Rebel" craft?
old canon has it that the T65 was suppose to be imperial craft too
rebels own nothing!
Daniel Miller
Not really was referring to the Chewbacca analogy. More like Han not recognizing the toaster on the Millennium Falcon even though it makes baller toast
Lucas Brooks
Feels time! Have some vintage feels.
Brandon Murphy
>T65 was suppose to be imperial craft Not the same. The T-65 prototypes were stolen along with all of the notes and such when the entire development team defected, and then put into production by the alliance. Nebulon Bs were stolen individually.
Parker Jones
why doesnt the Attack Shuttle have an astro slot, chopper clearly has his own little thign there
now grated, an attack shuttle with an astro slot would be kind of terrifying given it could have all green 1 and 2's (which would synergize so much with hera0 so I guess its a balance thing?
Noah Campbell
even corellian corvettes are used by the empire (on diplomatic missions especially!)
but I dont think in the popular stuff, we'll ever see imperial versions
corvettes and nebulons will forever be depicted as rebel only from now on methinks (or at least on tv/movie/video games)
Ryan Rodriguez
Have some Space Lestrade trilogy
Camden Torres
>tfw Armada will never get a Night Caller CR90 with both Rebel and Imperial cards >tfw we will never get to perform the original Loran Spitball on the tabletop
David Ortiz
Part two in which feels are had
Benjamin Hall
Part three in which feels and a conclusion are had
Alexander White
>I'm pretty sure when HP Lovecraft was alive and kicking, no one wrote him letters saying "hey this story you wrote seemed to have not matched up with that other story."
No, but you better beleive people have been calling August Derleth a hack over his treatment of the mythos setting for over 50 years.
Honestly, I think that Obi-Wan had every intention of telling him the truth when they got to Alderaan. Which then got changed to "when we escape this deathstar". Which given that Leia would be there as well he'd probably have told them the entire story.
But, well, then Darth literally caught up to him RIGHT outside the fucking hangar, and he knew he was fucked.
Yoda? Now THERE'S and argument for senility if ever I saw it. The guy probably went half insane over the fact that he'd led the Jedi Order to destruction after 900 years.
Zachary Clark
Combine that with the fact that he has been living in a swamp with nothing to look forward to but his next meal and a bed for about 20 years, I think you'd start to lose it too.
Obi-wan probably meant to tell them. Yoda probably lost most of that knowledge years ago.
Christopher Jackson
After rewatching ESB and the clusterfuck that was the Rebels finale, I'm convinced Yoda doesn't actually care about anything and is just actively fucking with everybody that goes near him.
Ethan Torres
Anyone else feel like bombs in xwing are fairly useless? They cost a lot of points and do little damage. This is because your opponent gets to know if you're bringing them at the start of the game either by looking at your cards or your type of ship.
Robert Roberts
No, they can be super useful. Mines are especially good on lower PS ships that move first, while bombs are better on ships that are moving afterwards. Note however that this does not mean high PS shouldn't use mines, or low PS shouldn't use bombs...
The thing about bombs and mines, is that theyr require a certain amount of skill beyond pointing yourself at what you want to die. And it doesn't help that the major bomb-using ships have pilots that completely change how you use them... Y-Wings and Tie Bombers are fairly straightforward, but then you have Deathfire who can drop them as a free action, Deathrain (Punisher) who can drop them in front of him and the roll out of the way, Emon (Firespray) who is the troll master of dumping them in front of anyone, and K-wings that can drop them a bit further behind if they want (bombadier) and don't give a shit about actions thanks to TLT.
Kevin Nguyen
Because we really do not need Ezra piloting the shuttle, with Chewie onboard, and R2-D2 plugged into it.
Jacob Gomez
Is this the most Mad Max'd starfighter in all of Star Wars? Did this modded Delta-7 trend ever catch on? Because damn, I'd want one.
Jaxon Peterson
It's smooth, it's decently sleek, it isn't a rusted up piece of junk. So no, it isn't Mad Max. At all.
Smashing a Y-wing and a Headhunter together and keeping it all in one piece with hand-riveted pieces of scrap metal, that's Mad Max.
Grayson Wood
I meant more of Mad Max's Interceptor. It was originally a heavily modified Police Pursuit car in the first movie, and those thrusters on the front of Anakin's ship really remind me of the fuel tanks on Max's V8.
It'd be the 'Last of the Delta-7's'.
Kevin Young
Alright thanks I guess I'll try them some more. But if I'm not mistaken, bombs don't really see much competitive play do they?
Jeremiah Brooks
Some. Not a lot. But you do see Conner Nets on occasion. The main competitive problem with them is that they require a bit of skill and sometimes lucky prediction on how to use. However a good bomb placement will fuck up Aces quite handily. I've seen more than one Soontir end up with a prox mine or conner net in his face. The former is hilarious as it usually means they have to burn their Palp that turn to keep him from exploding spectacularly. The latter is a "well fuck..." moment, as he isn't likely to survive another round or two.
Benjamin Rogers
They actually fucking did.
Michael Morales
Gonna point out that Obi-Wan actually didn't own anything besides his lightsaber. Everything else belonged to the Order and the Republic.
Anthony Diaz
It's a lot more like a certain 900 horsepower black 1970 charger, really
Owen Brown
R2 belonged to Padme who gave him to Anakin.
Christopher Bailey
Anakin made one for Plo Koon, but that was about it.
Ryan Mitchell
Technically R2 was just a repair droid on her escape shuttle. She owned him only because he came with the ship and happened to not get shot off the fucking wing as they made no effort to avoid incoming fire.
Jace Jackson
So I assume Luke's never driven her, cause she scares the kriff out of him?
Grayson Roberts
It seems more like an import tuner car than muscle to me; a wildly overpowered Z-95 would be more space vin diesel's style
Christian Thomas
We've actually had this discussion a while back. Ani's custom Delta 7 is Brian's R-34 from 2 Fast 2 Furious.
Samuel Nelson
>They cost a lot of points and do little damage.
>do little damage
>prox mine does up to 3 damage/crit damage that cant be defense dice, focused, or evaded
honestly if theres one thing that people kept bitching about, its missiles and torpedoes. the x wing team literally had to print like 3-5 cards to buff them
proton torps almost saw no play for the longest time
Asher Brooks
On the Royal Shuttle. Somehow, he was assigned to the Naboo Starfighter Corp or just stayed with her when she became a Senator.
Tyler Clark
Luke never flew the Azure Angel because she was blown to kingdom come years ago.
Andrew Adams
I like the cut of your jib
>promote that man
Owen Reyes
>missing the reference
Aiden Wilson
Then what's the Charger? A Black Y-Wing?
Levi Moore
A black Headhunter with massively tuned engines, maybe even a SLAM