Does Veeky Forums like Goblin Slayer?

My phone hates the letter N for some reason

No, the only thing to take out of Goblin Slayer is the Goblin Slayer himself, and only as a bit NPC you show off once to flavor the world before tucking him away forever.

Dog Days is more Veeky Forums material, and it's mostly pornography without the porn.

I'm not going to go as far as to say it's good but I'm definitely interested. It seems like the bulk of the rape, which wasn't really that much, is over too. I'm assuming from here on, the story will be the MC training the Priestess on how to remove kegob.

I ran an entire, multi-year campaign that took place in the Dog Days setting.

Remember how you were given a protagonist like group of characters at start and get them all maimed or killed by the end of chapter 1 in full metal daemon?
Yeah its like that.

The story is NOTHING like Berserker.
The main characters are a bunch of not-really nobody but quite nobody who deal with trivia tasks that you hand over to NPCs in D&D.

Actually this the only rape that actually have feature in story so far.
Its more of a hook.

Just read it today. I am sold on it I love it

Not an argument

Just faggots from tumblr triggered by any kind of sexual violence

You'd think it was just 100 pages of green dicks in bleeding pussies

There's a fine line between the use of sexual violence as a storytelling tool and as cheap shock value. Goblin Slayer is very much the latter.

there really isn't.
You can easily argue a scene for either in many cases.

>Evil creatures who revel in causing suffering would not rape someone
>a grisly scene of carnage and mayhem isn't shock value, but rape is

Never read Berserk please

Or anything written before christianity for that matter

>Or anything written before christianity
Clearly you haven't seen half the stuff in the Old Testament. They absolutely did not fuck around.

>Or anything written before christianity for that matter
Bruh, the Bible is fucking brutal at times. Especially the Old Testament. Or what about all the accounts of (especially early) saints and the ways they died. There's a reason why France's patron saint (no, not Jeanne d'Arc, the other one. No, not Saint Louis, the OTHER other one) is always depicted carrying his own head in his hands.

OT is pre-christianity

Shock factor garbage

Violence and sex contribute nothing to a story and only happen at extremely rare times

Yeah, and the Christians illustrated it.

i am pretty sure there are few scenes in Berserker about evil creature raping women too.

Exactly

Apparently one rape scene is enough for a story to become irrevocably "bad"

>Apparently one rape scene is enough for a story to become irrevocably "bad"
The part where it became irrevocably bad is the part where it started looking like an early playstation game.

What are you talking about? The Berserk anime is from 1997, they didn't make anything else

Anything

So far it's good

Why is his halo on his neckhole?

>Why is his halo on his neckhole?

It seemed like the most holy place to put it

>lepunspic.jpg

Just read it. It was schlocky garbage mishmashing western media with the worst of Japanese without seeming to have any understanding. There's a fucking "goblin baby what do" in the first 2 issues of "Goblin 2000AD." The art even sucks, there are copy pasted poses all over the first chapter!

Berserk, to contrast, is better in all ways. The only saving grace of Goblin Slayers is that it could eventually be good but I doubt it.

>when the squad goes out to jump some fools but y'all a bunch of bitches

I mildly dislike it. The art is not amazing but it isn't terrible or incompetent. It evokes the feeling that the artist would rather draw edgy rape and shit and rely on that cool factor rather than improve his artwork, unlike Ubel Blatt, which has superior art to back up the cheese, or Berserk who does the dark fantasy with far more sophistication and phenomenal art.

You can tell from the generic character designs, background NPCs, and architecture, this manga would have been easily adapted from a random nameless eroge or another random shitty Japanese fantasy setting with the exact same Slayer-esque clothing despite the year being 2016 and anachronistic architecture.

This is basically a shitty high fantasy version of Akame ga Kiru with a protag with an xration face.

The art is beyond shitty. This is literally the first page of the manga after the color splats (which of course involve a woman who pissed herself).

There is far worse manga and doujin art.

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>but... but... other manga have even shittier art!
OK? What a meaningless defense. Shitty, lazy art isn't a relative measure it's a bar that this manga cannot overcome.

Daily reminder that goblin slayer was a online-light novel from Japan and the artist merely do the Manga version for it.

and no you get everything about the story wrong.
Its about a mid-ranged party working on trivia tasks while the big name heroes saving the world elsewhere.

You failing to acknowledge that there is a vast scale between bottom of the barrel professional manga art and best in the industry, and the fact that Goblin Slayer is nowhere near the bottom just proves you're a whiny faggot.

"Other art is shittier" IS an argument, when so much of it is SO MUCH fucking shittier. Would you rather eat a bad tasting meal or a pile of dog shit?

Too bad that post had nothing to do with the storyline. And 99% of "light novel to manga" titles are shit anyway.

That art is fine. There is plenty of worse art, even in goblin slayer itself. Like every shot of the poorly draw

>Would you rather eat a bad tasting meal or a pile of dog shit?
That's a retarded false dichotomy. Why would I eat either when there is a wide array of much, much better food to pick from?

You are the reason Pathfinder exists.

You must be blind to the level of laziness involved in that clip.

You claim he is just doing edgy shit instead of improving his art work, but all he does is draw what the novel wrote. so that's simply untrue.

and no most light novel-based managas are actually at least readable even when the source wasn't that good.

Your poor reading comprehension matches your dismal taste.

Wait, okay, let's step back for a second. What.. exactly... is wrong with this picture?

So you are just a troll making false accusations and insults
got it.

From the tits down they are the same model and pose.

I wasn't even who you were applying to, but I can clearly read "It evokes the feeling that the artist..."

As for your shitty taste, you are propping up light novel manga in this thread.

>literally irrelevant side character uses half of the same skeleton (and nothing else) from a character in the foreground
>ACTUAL GARBAGE

...what the fuck is wrong with you?

I have a standard for quality that is above yours. Enjoy your shit taste.

and this feeling is wrong because of my statement, end of story.

what? you never read Spice and Wolf or Small Haruhi Suzumiya?
some light novel manga run into the problem of never having the time to finish the story line, but most of them range from readable to good.

terrible job at pretending btw.

Enjoy pointedly not enjoying things, I guess.

And those "character in the background" are literally 1/4 the first page, and the copy is literally standing right next to the other.

That guy is just a troll, he is already same-fagging.

Haven't read it, but besides just the immediate red flag warning of having so many shock value factors so early (sexual violence is fine if its well written, but if its not its just horrible), another thing that makes me distrustful of it is that it seems like its trying to take the piss out of rpg tropes.

Like, why? What exactly is the point or thematic signifcance of a cutesie rpg party getting raped because they're suddenly in a dark, gritty, low fantasy world instead of where they'd make sense?

There are parodies and deconstructions that make sense and have something interesting to say, and then there's stuff like this where it just seems like the author is grasping to be edgy and hip.

Also fuck that art style.

*that. It's just the one. Also, that's not the entire first page. It's one corner of the first page. Actual space taken up by that background character isn't even a tenth of the page, and even then, it's literally just her hips and legs that are the same. Nothing else, not even the clothes covering them. It's not great or anything, but it's hardly trash. It's mediocre at worst.

First page has the character in the OP pissing herself in full color, you are managing to underestimate how stupid this manga is.

Oh, and the "adventure sheet" needed to apply to the guild is literally a 5e character sheet.

>I'm defending shitty art so hard I have to distinguish "trash" from "just bad"
ISHYGDDT

>Oh, and the "adventure sheet" needed to apply to the guild is literally a 5e character sheet.

See, this is what I'm talking about.

If it was a gritty low/dark fantasy with a gritty art style and a realistic depiction of everything, it would seem more coherent for me.

But instead its a gritty dark/low fantasy that inexplicably has cutesie rpg elements that make no sense whatsoever in context with the dark/low/realistic fantasy elements.

Don't lump the more recent golden age movies in with the new one. That siege in the first one was fucking amazing

How would these guys have done in that cave?

>what is contrast?

Someone doesn't like Berserk.

>lol it's expectations versus reality!
Fans of this manga are garbage.

Those two bows and the buckler were all the minimum advantage the noob party needs.

By the way, /a/ tries to defend the series by saying that the guild did all they could to prevent the quest from going to such a bad end, and the guild shouldn't care so much about losing adventurers even if it happens in a daily basis. It this true in a typical Veeky Forums-style guild?

It has to make sense is the thing.

Like this picture right here. if this kind of armor is so useless, and so likely to get you killed, why does it exist? Why is it a thing that you're likely to run into in a guild? Why do guilds and adventure parties exist in this kind of universe? Is the author just trying to be cool by "deconstructing" "tropes"? Probably.

If you're going to "deconstruct" something, it has to make sense, and it has to have a point. There's no point of "injecting reality into a trope" if your basis for doing so makes even less sense from a logical/reality perspective.

Also contrasting cutesie art styles with brutal darkness is a thing that *can* work. But like other shock value factors, its something that requires a high level of skill and execution, and thus its another "red flag" warning that makes me distrustful of whether the author has the chops for it.

Not everything is a deconstruction

This is what's called "playing for drama"

The idea isn't "tee hee, stupid adventurers in a stupid fantasy world would get rekt"

It's more like "here are the ramifications of the tropes, how does it affect the lives of the characters?"

That *is* a deconstruction though.

And that's what I'm saying. It attempts to show the rammifications of the tropes, but it doesn't give a logical explanation for why those tropes should exist in-universe in the first place.

The ramifications need to be logical, but the set up of the story needs to be logical too, otherwise its just hypocritical. and falls into the first "idea" you posted.

Tell us about this? It had to have been better than fucking season 3 fucking whales. I just wanted FUN

The last thing you listed is actually what a deconstruction is, "tee hee..." is a subversion.

That aside, I'm willing to wait and give the series some chapters before I form a firm opinion but as it stands, it doesn't seem like there was any need to show the brutalization of the newbie party. I actually liked the second chapter a bit for some, "Oh, that's pretty clever" moments but the first chapter was pretty distasteful to me. I'm pretty on the fence until we get more.

The guild did basically nothing to save them. The girl at the desk knew they were all going to die and let them go anyway. There need to be party composition rules, obviously. Newb party would have rocked that cave if they showed up with four heavily armored guys with short spears or pitchforks. Or at least make them bring someone who knows what they're doing.

No

Deconstruction implies the trope is specifically being explored to show how it's unrealistic, poorly thought out, or impractical. It's a commentary on the storytelling device. Meta.

When a trope is played for drama the serious or melodramatic elements are played up for emotional impact. It's character based.

>But instead its a gritty dark/low fantasy that inexplicably has cutesie rpg elements that make no sense whatsoever in context with the dark/low/realistic fantasy elements.

A series that has a cutesie, rpg style to it that is a dark/low/realistic fantasy in action could make for an interesting work. The issue is that Goblin Slayer comes off as exploitation from the outset.

From distant spoilers, the Gobslayer suffered a less than flawless victory only once. The other adventurers were, in a nutshell, fucked over by bad luck.

nope, this serie actually go over the top and tell you this is literally a TRPG world where every god works as a DM.

One question:

They show the brutalization of the newbie party, right?

Do they also show the goblin babies getting splattered?

It would be hilarious to me if it was okay to show a girl getting gang raped, but not okay to show some cartoony goblin babies getting killed. That's the real horror, right there.

Also now that I think about it, the goblin baby seen looks so melodramatic and cliche. Fuck. 'Least it makes a good meme picture though.

I'll commend the writer if GS doesn't have some tragic backstory involving goblins.

It'd be interesting if he's just a psycho killer and uses goblins to avoid trouble, or if he's working on behalf of someone else who despises goblins.

Eh, it's one of those I'll read because I can get it for free, otherwise I wouldn't bother.

You'd be surprised. The babby gobs were off-paneled and not much gore was shown. All the rape scenes were gobs stuck on the rumps of their victims.

>Deconstruction implies the trope is specifically being explored to show how it's unrealistic, poorly thought out, or impractical.

Yeah, and isn't that what it is when you show a fighter who didn't wear enough armor getting wrecked in places where he didn't have armor? It seems a clear deconstruction (or attempt at deconstruction) of rpg tropes such as the lightly armored fighter class.

Well, I'm convinced. It's shit.

Quick questions,

Isn't this just a 1e player party?

Isn't this just Tucker's Kobolds but with Gobbos?

Based on chapter 2, the goblins aren't actually very smart even at their best, it's mostly overconfidence and underpreparedness that gets people killed on them. The Goblin Slayer's handling of them isn't nearly as resourceful as your average Dungeon Meshi chapter, he's just applying the level of tactics the average DnD player does and he's well aware of it.

An example of a work that does a good job of that would be School-Live!.

The emotional buildup prior to the massacre makes it clear that we're seeing this as a drama.

Kamina being killed horribly in Gurren Lagann for acting like an idiot isn't meant to make us think "lol, fucking teenagers piloting mechas how absurd?"

We're meant to think "oh no, damn his foolish choices!"

Actually, there's no more rape after this. There is also roughly the same amount of slaughter, but the disconnect between the GS' progress in battle with how others fare with goblins is too jarring.

And if you're going to do it as a drama, it has to make sense.

As said, why would the guild let an unprepared adventuring party into a place where they could get gang raped? Why and how do "adventuring guilds" exist in a such a gritty setting? Why does thong armor exist when its guaranteed to get you killed in this universe? Who sells that shit? Nothing makes sense, and as a result the drama and setting as a whole looks like cheap grasping.

Like I said, if it was a gritty dark fantasy, with a gritty aesthetic, about a sheltered wide eyed idealist who ventures out into the world, witnesses brutal horrors, and ends up tagging alongside an experienced hunter as part of a skull crushing game of underground cat and mouse, that would make more sense. Hell, that sounds way more engaging to me.

As is, it looks like a collection of try-hard cliches thrown into a blender in a fairly one-dimensional way. I don't see much point to it.

I'd give him a little more than that. The average DnD player reads things off of their character sheet, and I feel like throwing down a torch followed by a throwing knife and leading the goblins back to a simple trap ambush is a step above average.

I feel like a lot of the hate in this thread is pissy and unjustified and sort of orbits around the rape as a huge moral outrage and the worst thing ever.

So far, this seems decent. It's not amazing, but it's a fairly entertaining read if you don't get too wound up and upset with its flaws.

The hate are generated mostly by people who didn't even finish the first chapter, take a guess.

To be fair, anything can be enjoyed if you can give it enough leeway. Too late for it, though. Too many people are already selling this hard and complaints are being volleyed back.

Keep in mind, the priestess along with her party are viewpoint characters. They coming along for the journey into this alien world with us. Remember LOTR? The shire is familiar, for an englishman who grw up in turn of the century rural england it provides a sense of place and time from which we can venture into this fantastical realm. We're just as innocent as Frodo and Sam when they crossed out of Eastfarthing.

The party is meant to provide both emotional investment and familiarity, These people were her friends after all.

Honestly, I kind of like the concept, but most manga writing doesn't impress me, and I'm not seeing many arguments in its favor that make it sound like anything more than another flavor of the month.

I thought the second chapter was alright but I thought the first chapter was tasteless. I don't have any problem with rape, in fact I'd go so far as to call myself a fetishist, it's just that I didn't think I'd have lost out on anything at all aside from a boner if they skipped that part entirely. Chapter 2 establishes everything that appears to be important about this series.

That aside, this is just kind of how Veeky Forums works. There're a lot of worse series and I'm pretty optimistic about this one after the second chapter, but people're going to complain when something gets over-exposure. I don't even think it's the fabled Veeky Forums Contrarian Disease.

How I see it is that people read something, some people like it, and some people hate it. For the most part, neither group has a reason to bring it up. Eventually though, someone who likes it will bring it up to find like-minded fans, and that's how a thread gets rolling.

Over time as people become aware that there're more and more people enjoying the same work, they bring it up more. Eventually we have 5 threads in two days and the people who disliked it but were quiet up until this point get fed up because they're stuck seeing it when they don't have to.

And then we end up here.

You bring up a good comparison. The Shire.

The Shire, and why it works the way it does, makes sense in the context of Middle Earth. The Country Englishmen stand-ins are thoroughly explored, and as a result they don't feel out of place at all compared to the rest of the setting.

Can GS's adventuring guild and cutesie rpg elements really say the same?

Moving away from the style issues, I'm more concerned about the guild. I was expecting them to be more preserving of the adventurers, since they will be the ones who keep the "pests" away from town and they complement the presence (or lack thereof) of militia or actual town soldiers. But I found them too lax despite the constant problems involving adventuring failures.

I've read both chapters so far and while i'm not a stickler about rape, I am a stickler about shit being aggressively boring.

And this is aggressively boring and uninteresting. I have no idea how it became a Veeky Forums darling especially since Veeky Forums apparently wants to fuck goblins like it's going out of style.