Horus Heresy General /hhg/

im sure the eight could straighten those cucks out pretty quickly.

Horus, Leman, and Frank look fine despite being the early Primarchs in the Crusade. And 200 years only applies to those three and the other early found Primarchs. Rocha probably didn't fight in the Crusade probably 100 years or so.

>Primarch geneseed
Marines are merely long lived, centuries of battle and they look 48 or so. But aren't Primarchs truly biologically immortal?
Not that we could tell, everything fucked up in less than 2 centuries
They even have hepatic spots

Oh and as a follow up question, what special characters (not including primarchs) is everyone hoping to see?

>WS
yesugei, the rest are fucking jobbers and this comes from a WS player

>DA
Luther, zahariel, that one dreadwing guy with the fuck off axe whose name I cant remember

>BA
Raldoron, Amit

>SW
Bjorn, Fith Godsmote, Skarssen Skarssenson

>TS
Ahriman, Hathor Maat (did he die? I can't remember), Amon

I think the 'hepatic spots' are blood splatters

Aren't the psychic robos the 1ksons are getting going to be their own army in the form of the arkhadine mechanicum?

>Marines are merely long lived, centuries of battle and they look 48 or so. But aren't Primarchs truly biologically immortal?
Marines are also biologically immortal, but their papas are more immortal than them.

>did he die? I can't remember
Doesn't really matter, so long as the character saw the heresy, seeing as I believe two of the IW's characters are dead.

I can't remember. Point is psychic beeps and boops.

>perturabo finally shuts up the beep boops
>all of a sudden they're in his head with him

That's not true. In Angel Exterminatus Fabius Bile found out that marines are actually just long lived and theorised that space marines would eventually degenerate like the Thunder Warriors after a long while. This theory was disproved as in the 41st millennia we have space marines sometimes soooooometimes dying of old age.

This isn't new fluff just confirmation. That's why there's always been the fluff about Blood Angels living longer than your average space marine as a quirk of the gene seed.

Explain the salamander who lived until 40k then

It's also why they have the bishonen trope. Their quirky gene seed imparts long life and youthful visage (barring weird boy psychic vomit of course).

>tfw reading Angel Exterminatus
>Fabulous Bill almost gets killed three times so far
>he lives each time
>mfw

I've never heard of him. Where's that?

The BA have a similar trope. Remember Dante

The Eye of Horus is great, albeit crazy. Some favorite episodes of mine: 22, 43, 52-55... so hard to choose.

Age of Darkness if you're really into the fluff - they focus on the novels.

I hope we get units that aren't right out of 40k. It'll be hard, especially for loyalist legions whose successors have their own codex and special units in 40k, but we don't need new, resin Sanguinary Guards (for example). The plastic ones are great. But there aren't any plastic Terminators with nipple plate yet! Tartaros please.

If it's true that "there are no wolves on Fenris" (i.e. the wolves on Fenris are actually space marines who've gone beyond wulfen to full wolf), then this soon after the Great Crusade there shouldn't be enough wolves to pull chariots. They'll have to get reindeer to pull them.

I'd like to see something like a hunting falcon for WS, as a familiar. Keshig of course, and the obligatory special bike or speeder type. Land Speeder mini-transport? GET TO THE CHOPPA.

Or maybe DA get the jetbike, styled like the one that 40k special character had, with the BFG-like prow.

TS should get golems of some sort.

The Blood Angels are who I was talking about

Glad to see I'm not the only one who got pissed off about that.

Such is life for Perturabo. The universe is big on shafting him.

Never personally read it, only seen it posted on Veeky Forums before

Apparently a Salamander got his armour all melted during the Heresy and it sealed him shut so he couldn't move. Eventually an inquisitor and his retinue find him still alive in 40k having put himself into the space marine coma thing, but when they wake him up he's all atrophied from not moving for 10,000 years and thoroughly insane, so they mercy kill him.

Honestly this is one of those parts of the lore I'd happily ignore if it turned out to be real, I prefer my space marines non-immortal.

Might have been put in stasis? I don't think it counts, I'm with you about mortal marines.

>Glad to see I'm not the only one who got pissed off about that.
Aye. Though, I'll say that I feel sorry for the poor IF who were given to Bill. Poor lads.

Though, so far Kroeger is my favorite character, had he a model and rules I'd totally use him. Only just started Book 3, but I have to say that I'm really enjoying it.

Woops, traveling fucks me up, srry man.
That would make more sense; the Malcador-pattern wrinkles had me fooled
Whaaaaaaat. So Lovecraftian, like "Troughout the aeons".

I can't imagine the coma thing being so efficient that you don't need any nutrition at all. That's just sloppy writing.

But with an IV or something, I could see it working. It's very different from actually being alive for that long.

I really liked the way they portrayed Pert. I think he had more characterisation than the mortal characters which is hard to do for such an unwritable character like a primarch

So what HH novels are worth reading? I read Deliverance Lost and First Heretic, loved both. A while back I read whichever one has the fall of the EC. But then I tried reading Legion and it was meh.

So any good books particularly for the traitor legions?

I'm liking how they portray him as well, especially the fact that he and his legion gets fed-up with Fabulous Bill and Fulgrim. Pert being friends with Magnus, liking Da Vinci's writings and such, it's just great man.

Honestly, out of all the traitor legions that I feel could have remained loyal, it'd be the IW, and that just makes them even cooler in my books, y'know?

I believe Kyme wrote it.

Angel Exterminatis for sure.

Some highlights:
>Fulgrim gets shot
>Fulgrim gets punched
>Fabulous Bill gets beaten up repeatedly
>Perturabo is surprisingly well written
>The Iron Warriors have an FLGS and play 30k

Angel exterminatus is shit, the RG scout in it is too "OC donut steel"-tier

In order of quality in my opinion
>Fear to Tread
>Angel Exterminatus
>Betrayer
>Unremembered Empire
>Fulgrim

Betrayer and Exterminatus are tied. Those are all the books I've read and I didn't dislike any of them. I would give them all passing grades. It's hard to write such transhuman characters like Primarchs, and anything that changes pre existing fluff or fleshes it out in a way that goes against people's schemas will be spat on, but honesty I thought they were good devices to bring you into the universe of 30k.

No doubt there's some stupid shit in there though.

Scars is good, and its sequel The Path of Heaven.

For the traitors, Betrayer's not bad, and the initial trilogy is worth reading too (Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames).

>Dorn AND Pert forced to work together by Emps to fortify the palace
>grind against each other so much they smooth each other out and actually become friends
>good luck getting in Horus

I wouldn't respect any if the primarchs if they looked like baby faced 20 somethings

They just weren't around long enough to feel the affects of old age in the great crusade.

Eye of Horus is God tier.
Age of Darkness... meh. The host is a total douche. The CO host isn't too bad though

Pert & Dorn sitcom when?

> Scars is GREAT
Ftfy

He was intergrated into a space ship

>BA
In some of the scraps of lore that FW has presented us with in Book VI they mention something called the "Lamentii Guard," as an honour detail for the purpose of defending worlds on where the legion had spilled it's blood.

I like the sound of this cos it's something we haven't heard about thre Blood Angels before. Maybe as the flip side of the coin compared to Sanguinary Guard they're a heavily armoured terminator unit akin to Justaerin or Deathshroud? That's just wish listing though cos BA are the jump pack legion but having some variety is nice. We already know we're gonna get the Sanguinary Guard from 40k so I hope for something different.

Defensive BA? Sounds like a jump pack unit with a shield and bolter, JUMP PACK BREACHERS!

>Lamentii Guard

As much as id like a Lamenters forebearers they weren't founded until the 23 founding so unlikely

>For those we cherish we die in glory

Neither were the Minotaurs yet the Iron Warriors stuff is full of nods to them.

I know they both have Greek culture but I didn't see any nods.

What it could be is the minotaurs were descended from a loyalist grand battalion which would make more sense than the lamenters having a delayed founding.

I thought Minotaurs were from WE geneseed.

They both have greek symbols, are both described as paranoid siege specialists and the Minotaur chapter tactics are the same as the IW legion specal rules.

One of the playtesters and co-writers of the HH books actually came out on Facebook and outright stated that the Minotaurs are IW loyalist survivors.

there are no loyalist WE in 40k
also silver skulls pretty obviously will end up being kyr valens guys

>also silver skulls pretty obviously will end up being kyr valens guys

I thought they were named after Barabas Dantioch, their chapter symbol is literally an iron mask.

didnt he die though? if he didnt die then yeah they are probably his boys.

they are definately going to tie the silver skulls in somewhere, considering theyve been around since rogue trader

There's two different Minotaurs. Does the name Pentarchy of Blood ring any bells? The yellow candy stripe Minotaurs are Cursed Founding, while the IA Minotaurs are the IW loyalists.

That's probably how it would have turned out sadly. If there had been less animosity in Perturabo they probably would have balanced each other out. See Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus.

He did die.

The theory is that the men that served under him got renamed Silver Skulls in his honour during the 2nd founding.

This, they are described as being two very different chapters.
There are several different chapters with the word Minotaurs in their name like the Brazen Minotaurs and White Minotaurs, not that strange that two of them should have the same chapter name.

Marine Chapter names can get pretty stupid. Like pic related, or the Deathwatch chapter generator where you can get a chapter named Death Death. Still probably not as bad as that one chapter named The Nameless, or the WE warband Gladiator Group 138. Don't these names strike fear into your heart?

The traitor legions have names like Alpha Legion, Emperor's Children and Thousand Sons.

Meanwhile we have loyal chapters like the Flesh Tearers, Blood Drinkers and the Doom Legion.

It's because loyalists aren't edg(ier)y than traitors.

hey does anyone know what book the rest of the generic rites of war are in?

book 6

>two of those chapters are blood Angels successors
>feels bad

>One of the playtesters and co-writers of the HH books actually came out on Facebook and outright stated that the Minotaurs are IW loyalist survivors.
Source?

thanks

>One of the playtesters and co-writers of the HH books actually came out on Facebook and outright stated that the Minotaurs are IW loyalist survivors.

It was IW geneseed, Minotaurs cant be loyalist IW as they were made in the cursed founding, millenia after the heresy.

Mate, the IA Minotaurs are the cursed founding ones. Shoot, the IA chapters are just recolored and refluffed ones that already existed.

Now if only they'd put it into the actual setting, I'd actually give a shit.

Is this Legit?

Could I found a loyalist Ironwarrior warband?

Speaking of BA successors.

Do we think Sanguinius would have supported splitting the legions? If he had survived and the Emperor still hadn't do we think they would have tried to me him Emperor again? If they tried would he have accepted the position?

I think he could have gone either way, or he probably could have went for a third option. As for that last thing Papa Sang probably wouldn't want to be the new Emperor, but a council consisting of the remaining loyalist Primarchs? That would be something he could be interested in.

But that's wrong though. Autek's crew along with some other misfits were tasked to destroy 11 chapters in M33, and guess who's there. If you guess Minotaurs get yourself a popsicle or a cookie.

You sure they're the same Minotaurs? IA vol. 10 places the Minotaurs we know as part of the 21st founding, but even it says that they're not the only chapter to have used that name.

Well I don't know of any other Greek marines who could be loyalists from a legion of Greek marines.

wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Minotaurs

>Original Minotaurs founding: M36
>Current Minotaurs founding: Cursed Founding, M38

Now there IS a mention of Minotaurs in M32 but that can only be the original Minotaurs or some other chapter by the same name, the current Minotaurs are firmly part of the cursed founding as even their geneseed is 'chimeric' hinting that it has been tampered with and is probably the only real success of the Mechanicus playing with sperm.

Its this Minotaurs that someone from FW said had IW geneseed, but that doesnt make them loyalist IW.

would the IronWarrior geneseed having excellent implantation success support the likelyhood of it being their geneseed? Especially since toying with the geneseed harbors so many risks.

wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Solar_Rebellion
>Includes Minotaurs
So these Minotaurs aren't the IA ones? Also that article said World Eaters started up cults. That's rather un-World Eater like. Chapters shouldn't be allowed to have the same name so that confusion can be avoided. I know Imperial record keeping isn't great in the post-Heresy Imperium and my idea wouldn't work too well but hear me out. Every 100 years just send a delegation made a few marines from every loyalist chapter to some hotel planet, and have them mingle about. Everyone knows who's who, and no confusion with the names.

>They let a good chunk of the Imperial Navy die
>They follow every shitty order the High Lords tell them.
>Highly paranoid
>Highly greek
>Replenish casualties damn fast
>Chapter tactics are almost the same as the IW LA
Even if they're not related, they're darn similar. Maybe it's simply a recicled theme, that's all

>Every 100 years just send a delegation made a few marines from every loyalist chapter to some hotel planet, and have them mingle about. Everyone knows who's who, and no confusion with the names.
user, that would go terribly. Ultramarines would be lecturing everyone on how they fail to uphold the codex Astartes as the sons or dorn lecture the ultramarines on how they fail to uphold the codex. Dark angels would barely be there, spending most of their time away hunting the fallen. Space wolves would disturb everyone with their "fondness" for their beasts. Emperor knows how many interchapter wars would start because of the chpaters with the same name fighting over who is the real chapter, buzz lightyear from toy story 2 style.
And unless you can convince the high lords to spend alot of cash on nails, the blood ravens armory will recive many many """"gifts""""from each chapter they interact with there.

It was some kind of private facebook quote. I'm honestly starting to think it was shopped.

>Ultramarines would be lecturing everyone on how they fail to uphold the codex Astartes as the sons or dorn lecture the ultramarines on how they fail to uphold the codex.
My sides, user!

The Hammers of Dorn are my favorite 40k chapter.

hammers of dorn, that's the name.
Not sure why I thought it was sons of dorn.

True... Could I run Minotaurs as Blackshields in addition to chapter space marines?

Threaten to take away their pauldrons if they misbehave, and just send Dangles who don't know about the Fallen instead of members of the Inner Circle.
>Emperor knows how many interchapter wars would start because of the chpaters with the same name fighting over who is the real chapter, buzz lightyear from toy story 2 style.
Have them settle it with rock, paper, scissors.

Same thing happens in Pandorax. One of the orginial grey knights was in suspension for 10k years.

>Threaten to take away their pauldrons if they misbehave
user, the pauldrons were the first thing the blood ravens took. When they were all playing rock papers scissors, nobody was looking, the blood ravens stole 40 pauldrons. They took fourty pauldrons. That's as many as four times ten. And that's heresy.

Unremembered empire? Really?

Only decent part was alpharius's showing up jihad style

If every chapter sent about 3 marines to named planet they could start 3 new chapters a year

Not unless you want to be a fagget

Kek. In that case just do what traitors did at Bodt. Apothecary convention. Less fighting, and the docmarines can learn from each other. However don't segregate marines hotel rooms by geneseed. Otherwise the Ultras would have the biggest and best lodgings.

Segregate them according to their numbers in reverse order. It's time the Lamenters and Crimson Fists get some good things for once.

The Ultramarines would end up pulling together better loggings than the others through team work and co-ordination anyway

>According to numbers
All 11 Invaders get the best rooms possible.

That's probably the only time they get something nice.
And for once something nice happened to sons of Dorn.