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Bring your A game and show me your best builds /pfg/

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Don't hide it from me, /pfg/.

How will your life go on, now that the romance of the century is over?

We need to update the /pfg/ homebrew list.

What new stuff should get added? We need suggestions from homebrew that's been posted.

Cleric / prestige paladin / cleric prestige classes with serenity and DMM persist.

Forrest's henshin initiator, for one. I keep losing the goddamn link.

Anybody has any fucking clue how the PoW:E Knight-Chandler works? The abilities seem so incompletely written and potentially broken.

>Bring your A game and show me your best builds /pfg/
I've been doing what I consider "Fun NPC Builds" lately, which consists of the following:
>take a NPC class
>VMC it
>Have it transition into a PrC

It makes for pretty unique and NPCs I find are a good strength level to be interacting with the party when they're at the same level as the party. I reserve full PCs to very important NPCs (people who will travel with the party long term) and villains.

...what? It's pretty simple in how it works.

>How will your life go on, now that the romance of the century is over?
That isn't homebrew though, that would go under the DSP stuff.

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>taking a 20 in your casting stat is usually shooting yourself in the foot unless you have silly pointbuy.

Bullshit. You can dump all your other stats except your primary casting stat and still be as competent as the rest of the party.

Why would anyone nerf themselves by rolling an 18 casting stat character? Its just so stupid as fuck.

What? What issues do you have with it?

That was explicitly homebrew. He's yet to post about it with his trip on.

So /pfg/, what kind of music do you play at your table during climactic encounters?

No, it's homebrew.

That's not at all a DSP product, it's just Forrest being a goof.

Which is a shame, because I found a way to build Reaper with it.

Because you want Dex/Con 14 so failed saves don't fuck you in the ass?

Inquisitors aren't even full casters

Music from the Brain Powerd OST.

Awful anime, fantastic music.

Is this the same guy who claims the bottom half of tier 3 is underpowered?

This isn't for climatic encounters, but it's damn good music.

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Depends entirely on the caster. 9th level spells? Sure, because the DCs are probably a big deal. 6th level spells? Ehh, not so much. Magus doesn't care that much depending on the spell. Alchemist gives 0 shits about their spell DCs, so Int is only relevant if you're relying on bomb DCs. 4th level spells? You'd be a retard to have even a 16 in your casting stat over physical stats.

It's okay, we still have the Princess x Backup Princess ship to sustain us

Usually something awful like prog rock or speed metal or the World 1-2 theme from Mario Brothers...

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who the hell is the "backup princess"?

I have no idea, but I'm picturing a contingency clone. I dub this ship Q-cest.

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Let's get down and dirty.

Even as a 9 level casters most of your casting stat will come from other sources at high optimization. At ULTRA high optimization you actually was an 18 because otherwise you hit a odd number for theoretical max int (it's 60 for an alchemist, 52 for everyone else under most circumstances excluding edge cases like an Agent of the Grave becoming a vampire to bump it to 54).

Though who really needs a 54/60 casting stat?

ominous made up language chanting.

Got the Ar tonelico, Nier, and Shadow Hearts tracks all queued up, bitches.

I sing old Final Fantasy battle songs until someone tells me to shut the fuck up. It usually doesn't take very long for someone to say that.

We watched a certain series of movies as a group.
Now only one song is suitable. For every single encounter.

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I think the backup princess is Forrest

Might I recommend using the theme tune to the Ceadeus from Monster hunter Tri?

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Well maybe if you'd use something other than 7 and 8..

Yo, I'm playing in Legacy of Fire soon, and I want to play a dragonslayer.

What's the best way to do that? Anything on the SRD is allowed.

pic related, maybe.

Can we compromise on two Qs and a Forrest?

Lovin' it.

I do FF6 sometimes too.
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Funnily enough this allows an alchemist to have a DC 51 fort save position that does d6 con/wins damage each round AND they have to make three saves before it stops AND they are paralyzed/confused. Too bad so many things are poison immune.

UNDERWATER PANIC ATTACK

Kinky. I'll allow it.

Eldritch Poisoner is silly.

I have a purposely tier 2 martial class that a few people have played and enjoyed.

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I used to use this for my character's intro theme music.

If you're playing a divine or 2/3 caster you won't be casting spells every round, so you need some fighting ability. Even if not, you're better off taking an 18 and putting more points into Dex and Con so you can not die.

My last hyper optimization build was a level 20 school savant diviner arcanist with all the stops pulled out. I am ashamed.

You guys bang about on about the disgusting prevalence of SJWs and trans and other waifus in PF products, how else would the grossly repugnant, offensively spheroid turbotard PF fans see any action?

Oh shush. Quit your virtue signaling.

Quit your vice signalling

>tfw applied to a few roll20 games
>tfw waiting on replies
I just really want to play. This is excruciating.

I'm not actually sure what you're trying to say here. Honestly confused.

/pfg/ is all about vices. dog-boys, cat-girls, fox-girls, bunny-boys, half dragons, drow, qanon, dsp money being submitted to my account wonderfully amazing orgasmic path of war: expanded (ALL NEW, BUY NOW!)

Allow me to translate, I speak troll.

"You folk complain on a regular basis about how many niche appeal and fetish waifus Paizo puts into their products, but without those, how would any Pathfinder players, who are as a group, both physically and mentally offputting, find love?"

I really fucking hate fetish posters. God damn.

You're looking at playing a Warder then, preferably Zweihander Sentinel. you also want to gain access to Mithral Current somehow; I use bushi, but just traiting into it would be fine too. that one should replace Golden Lion, so that you have access to Mithral Current, Primal Fury, Scarlet Throne, and Iron Tortoise.

The reason for Iron tortoise is for two things - the first is Burnished shell, which lets you parry spells, which is pretty awesome, though the other counters in IT help. The second is Turtle General's Stance, which lets you become immune to breath weapons.

Scarlet Throne is useful for two other things - Sanguine Perseverence, which is one of the best counters in the game as it replaces your saving throws with a Sense Motive check. The other is Scarlet eye's Perception, which lets you make your next attack a touch attack.

Mithral Current is there for more counters, but for a good reason; the DODGEROLL counters allow you to negate enemy full-attacks by moving out of its threatened range, which is hugely important for evading the as many as eight attacks a dragon in full-attack mode might level at you.

Finally, Primal Fury is where your damage is at; Impaling Strike and Blood-Spray Strike are the biggest ones because they allow you to deal constitution damage. this is fucking important, because massive creatures (such as fully grown dragons and linnorms) have hugely inflated HP pools due to massive constitution and very high HD, but if you're dealing constitution damage, you're using its own high HD numbers against it; 2 con damage is equal to 1 damage for every HD it has and, for example, which is 24 extra damage versus a tor linnorm. and Scarlet Eye's Perception lets these strikes hit as touch attacks, which is amazing.

You no sell everything, roll out of the way when it wises up and then stab it in the fucking heart. Just make sure to bring a ring of Freedom of Movement, or it'll just grapple you, but otherwise... yeah.

For the record, it seems like the most objection is how ham-handed PAIZO is at inserting these things, not actually them existing in PF.

Like...does anyone actually care if trans or gay people are in games? Also, we love waifus. And principled people are okay, but if they're hamhandedly cramming modern morals in a game that should be operating by 15th century morality...it's usually going to be badly written.

This was part of an encounter at high levels.

Half-Orc Bounty Hunter Slayer 3/Lore Warden Fighter 16
Took Racial Heritage (Dwarf), grabbed Goblin Cleaver/Orc Hewer and the other Cleave feats, plus Improved/Surprise Follow-Through and Cloak and Dagger Style. Cleaved the entire party, applied a dirty trick to the entire party, and as a bonus stole each weapon the party was wielding. Just a fun bit of nonsense.

The issue is a dragon with any amount of competence will just kill players. The only dead dragon is a dragon played by a GM who makes them act like retards.

How do I phalanx fighter, /pfg/?

WELL FOLKS, rising from the grave now that Legendary Vigilante's Playtest is starting to wind down, I've started looking back over the Stregone and TOTALLY NOT STEALING IDEAS putting some recent thoughts and tweaks in. It's slow going since I have to get back into the swing of things, but maybe I can actually get comfortable enough to bump that shit up to a 1.0 before the end of the summer. Still debating whether or not to nerf the damage progression, and the reworked spell list is... Under consideration/"Soon(tm)".
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I really should get on the archetypes, because the only one that even "works", mechanically, right now is the Child of Fate, and that's because it's not at all hard to make a magical girl work. It probably wouldn't be that hard to get the Soulbound Puppeteer up and running since I already have a soulbound doll statblock to work with, but considering how niche it is to begin with my time would probably be better spent elsewhere. I could go for the low-hanging thematic fruit and try to just make an "alternate class" Cha-caster with sorcerer bloodlines, but I would feel obligated to go through and rework bloodlines so they worked with the class.

People seem to like this for some ungodly reason, but I'm not about to tell you to put it on the list in the state it's in.

Nipple boob armor and no plate skirt? Heckin'
awful/10

Not with a skirt that short.

Wait wait.
We go for dog-boys and bunny-boys
And cat-girls and fox-girls?


If anything it's catboys and wolfgirls, user. All else tends to be secondary.

Which is why this build was set up for slaying Linnorms, rather than dragons. It'll still be difficult to work around for a dragon, though.

Thanks.

Is there any benefit to say, taking a couple level into Oath Against the Wyrm Paladin?

Blinklings are all boys, but you're right about the wolf girl. Bunny boys was only recently, though and we def go for cat and fox girls.

>tfw you're playing a blinkling loli
But user, why can't I exist

I still maintain I see more catboys than catgirls.

No bunboys yet, but as you said, I may have just missed that recently.

>basically pfg

>get access to Mithral Current

Bushi and MithCur are not available on the SRD currently, so no-go there.

>playing a loli
The mere fact you describe it as a loli is why you shouldn't exist.

My fetishes have already given you a penis, I'm sorry.

Pft, the only catboys I've seen posted are this.

Steal whatever you want as long as you can give feedback on it. I'll post the bard archetype in an hour or so, I'll just write talents for it in the doc rather than leaving them for later.

Because it's cute

Ah, sorry, missed that part about SRD-only. In that case, Golen Lion seems your best bet, but Mithral Current was a bit peripheral anyways.

And no, you should probably stick to single-class Warder for this, due to the fact that it can give you Extended Defense, which WILL save your life.

Ditto, but I haven't seen any catgirls desu

There have definitely be a few miqo'te posted, more so than that one, I believe.

>shotas are fine
>lolis are not
u wot maet

I think I just said 't h o'

These filters are weird.

I've got some stuff, if people would be kind enough to look over them?

>Charmbound Witch: It's like Witch, but with the occasional Occultist Implement instead of Hexes. Also your Hexes are mostly in a physical form, so no flying unless you've got a broomstick.
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>Essence Dancer: A Kineticist with veilweaving and the ability to use Temporary Essence to stave off the effects of Burn. Not entirely sure about this one compared to Charmbound Witch.
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Fucking christ. Stop just posting about your fetishes.

Seriously, I can't remember the last time a thread wasn't one of the following:
>circlejerking about monster-folk fetishes
>jacking off DSP
>shouting at buildposter

I like DSP, don't get me wrong, but half of the people here treat their droppings as gold. I remember when someone tried to justify the qualify of the succubus monster class. I don't like Buildposter, but it seems like a god damn national sport around here to hate him, and FUCKING HELL I hate people who are just here to jack off rather than actually discuss the game. The mere fact I have to make a meta fucking post shows how bad it is, I fucking hate posting like this.

Neither are okay
Both are pedophilia, sexualizing childlike bodytypes.

I hate the term shota too. I fucking hate blinklings.

Yes, that was me. I wasn't justifying it, I was just saying that the monster class being more powerful than base classes isn't awful, especially when it's explicitly stated at the beginning of the book and gives a warning to gms.

(you)
(you)

I did it to piss you off, chill out

Guys? He just asked me for some help with his character build. I barely know what a magus is and what it does, but he wants my help on feats? Could you guys help me help him? It's for a Hell's Vengence campaign I'm starting soon if that matters.

As long as it's not real children, it's fine, I guess. Just as long as you don't bring your fetishes to real games and force them (any fetishes at all) on people who aren't interested.

m8y, I know this is gonna be hard to wrap your head around, but in this real world there are, in fact, adults who have a body quite close to that

hell, I know a few, and at least one of them is the "girl who sleeps around"

Here's my Camazotz Homebrew race

I'm pretty confident this should be the final version now, thanks to several input by /pfg/.
Regardless, check it out anyway to see if it can still be improved.

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If I have the ability to share teamwork feats, are Outflank and Paired Offense the best two for a siegebreaker fighter and a rogue?

The flight speed seems a bit much, though I'd say that for a bunch of races. Maybe raptoran or dragonborn progression from 3.5? Start with a glide, then upgrade it to a flight speed when it's more appropriate?

I didn't say it's was sexualizing children, but rather sexualizing characteristics of children.

We tolerate the 'barely 18' group, but fetishizing it is kinda toeing the line.

Though it's better to have fap material than actually going after minors.

Gonna throw this up one last time before I work on finalizing it. Working on an Alchemist archetype for a sea-faring campaign, with grog-based spontaneous extracts. Just looking for feedback on overall power right now, and how easy it is to understand the mechanics, since I haven't done much work on archetypes before.

Thoughts?

>fly and blindsense in a default race
>+dex +int -str
You aren't even trying are you?

It's MUCH too strong. Dear lord, what were you thinking?

>barely 18
One's 20, the other's 31, and about half the female populations of Mexico and most of Asia are below 5'0.

There is a difference between petite and child-like.

I'll consider it.

Bats have flight and functional blindsense

As for stats, got an alternate opinion?

I meant the porn category.

There's definitely a difference between adult under 5'0 and child body type. You could possibly (I don't know anatomy so maybe?) make the argument for post-pubescent but still a minor, but that's gross and let's totes not go there.

>Bats have flight and functional blindsense
It's WAY too strong. Like dear christ.