That will teach you to slack off when making generals
Justin Wood
>Okay, she's good with mechanics... but how does she know how to fly a space freighter like an ace? ANH had the throwaway line about the T-16 and whomp rats, which gave a serviceable explanation for why Luke was a skilled pilot. That's just one example of the failures in TFA's script and, by extension, Rey's character.
Rey has a flight simulator she salvaged and set up in her AT-AT home. Basically she spent her childhood playing video games in a machine designed to teach you to fly. If it's a Rebel flight simulator it likely includes freighter class since a lot of their warships were repurposed commercial vessels.
That's from a canon short story, the novelization of TFA, the TFA Visual Dictionary, and I'm pretty sure she mentions it in the movie after she and Finn destroy the TIEs but they're hyper excited and talking over each other so it's hard to tell.
She basically knows the Falcon's setup because she's one of the scavengers Unkar Plutt hired to do modifications for him, but she'd never flown it and indeed nearly crashes it several times early on. Actually she does hit a few things. As for flying through a ship she picked a derelict she knew from scavving that was open enough to accommodate the Falcon. Her exceptional piloting skills at the end of the fight, as well as her other maneuvers, are actually an early sign that she's Force sensitive without telling us ahead of time like they did with little Anakin pre-Podracer scenes. You can get this when both she and Finn are chattering their amazement at how their moves synced together to defeat their enemies. They don't know why but the reason is the Force was being her - subconscious - guide. We already know Rey (and perhaps Finn too) were awakening to the Force on Jakku because that's what Snoke was talking with Kylo Ren about. Awakening was his exact word, too.
Not saying it's a well done scene but this is what they were trying to do. JJ is a hack.
Nolan Cooper
Eh, maybe back when I namefagged but I don't post much in /swg/ anymore, mainly just lurk. Didn't even notice the thread had turned over till it hit archive.
Jason Brown
>not Sage Wars edition
Luke Baker
>Eh, maybe back when I namefagged Who'd you used to be?
Dylan Hernandez
Danon
Landon Clark
Oh hey ol pal. I was wondering if you'd left or just went user
Christopher Gomez
Life got busier so I started posting less, eventually I got tired of turning the name on and off when I wasn't really contributing anything by having it on. I'm still around though.
Xavier Lopez
>I'm giving you a night bump, tell you how I feel
Jack Lewis
I'm partially convinced that Rey has the force ability to pull impressions of an objects previous owner off an object. Like Han's piloting ability off the Falcon dash, or Luke's saberskills off his lightsabre hilt.
But I'm not sure if this is supported by textual evidence. I only watch the movies.
Justin Barnes
I want to play a grizzled old clone in an AoR game my friend is running. I figured human commando, but they arent that shooty so would Merc Soldier be better?
Isaiah Wright
Actually it would be. I don't know about skills but psychometry via the Force imparting knowledge by touching an object is most certainly canon, and Lucas approved. Quinlan Vos had it.
Again not sure about gleaming the skills, but maybe enough to duplicate movements? It's an interesting ability since the Jedi Council didn't like people using it on weapons.
Jonathan Gutierrez
See, if they actually brought that up as a plot point in VIII, I'd withdraw lot of criticism of VII. But it's too smart, so it's doomed to fanon
Elijah Taylor
Sharpshooter and Medic are both fairly good careers in AOR, Tactician isn't a bad one either and has lots of fairly good talents. If you want 'murder people with guns' all of the time- Ace Gunner is pretty fucking solid too, hey someone had to hang out the side of a gunship shooting droids.
Levi Watson
Problem is why would she necessarily need objects to tell her how to do things via the Force when the Force itself could just guide her actions for her anyway?
Is the whole force sensitive instinctive precognition still explicitly canon or is it just implied now?
Jonathan Robinson
I don't really want to go sniper, and that's what i envision sharpshooter is. I more wanted a rifle, or generic soldier class.
Justin Walker
Sharpshooter to me just seems to be more of a 'Rifleman' career than Sniper.
Snipers are sneaky buggers that do a lot of land navigation and muck around with radios to drop ordinance on unsuspecting plebs going about their scurrilous lives. Sometimes if they're really lucky they'll actually get to shoot someone... then probably die horribly as the enemy reacts with an artillery to such molestation.
Nathaniel Cruz
lamest attempt at stirring up inter-board rivalry yet
Joshua Reyes
Sure. The Force manifests in different ways but often expresses itself in the very young through subconscious powers, and very rarely controlled abilities.
Untrained Kid Anakin had Jedi reflexes and could provide the answers of flash cards without Venkman shocking him once.
Assaj Ventress manifested a very powerful Force Push when under extreme stress as a kid, which convinced the Jedi who witnessed it to take her as his Apprentice (apparently without bothering to tell the Council).
Ezra Bridger could sense events, even danger, and manifested a decent Force jump without any training and a blast of Force Push when one of his friends was in danger.
There's other examples. Really it's strange it took Luke so long, but he had Uncle Owen's constant berating him until he developed a part of himself that held him back. His Uncle talking, as Old Ben put it. Leia presumably had Bail being very careful in her education since if she manifested, well, being a Senator she'd be so close to the Emperor and potentially Vader. She has some low level visions in the new comics and some instinctive precog in the novel Bloodline, but never really studied and learned to control her abilities. Bit of a pity, really.
It wouldn't be out of the question for Rey to have always had some level of Force powers she wasn't aware of.
Parker Roberts
I know, right? End of the day we all love Ken the Jedi Prince and that's all that really matters.
Jayden Martin
Not my intention here. I think those who like /co/ can stick to their board and we can stick here. It's just poking fun like they've done with us in the past, but if there's /co/fags here who like the stuff we discuss then by all means they're welcome to stay.
Dylan Mitchell
So you'd be the guy who was trying to start shit in the /co/ thread but got your post deleted. They banned you from /co/ so you come here to start shit? Not cool.
Alexander Hughes
Never been on /co/ as of late but I've been planning on going there for the Rebels feed. Do you want me to screencap my chrome history or something?
Xavier Scott
I mean, if the whole point of VII is "the force is awakening", it's probably not too weird for Rey to be more suddenly manifesting talents she wasn't activating before. And considering she does usually try and does poorly at something before getting it she seems to be operating on a level of instinct rather than "skill".
But really that's not a problem with Rey, that's a problem with the limitations and direction of the film. Concepts in the scripts and the novelization perfectly explain logic to her actions, and the previous films and cartoons really give the Force a lot of credit. Hell, I'm sure somebody asked "okay, but why?" in planning and scripting meetings regarding Rey's ability to pilot or fight people.
However, I will say that as much as I do actually like TFA, the film doesn't always do a great job delving into the headspace or introducing the characters as it could. Poe doesn't show off just how much of an ace pilot he is until like half-way in the movie, even Finn is kind of shallowly introduced as "He's a stormtrooper, but shit got real and he has to get out now!". As much as it retreads ANH - it's also clearly been written as part 1 in a trilogy.
Kayden Gutierrez
There's two sides to every Schwartz nowadays. You've got the Cosmic Schwartz, which exists beyond time and space, outside the universe, connected to everything at the same time. This is where prophetic visions come from. Then you have the Living Schwartz which is very much of the moment, as Qui-Gon would put it. This is what gives you insights and warnings of imminent violence directed at you in your immediate vicinity.
The Cosmic Force for some reason decided to take a siesta after Luke fucked things up. Weird, really, since it didn't even do this shit when Sheev was fucking with the entire galaxy.
The Cosmic Force was still doing one of it's main jobs, thankfully, which is spewing life energy into the galaxy. Living Force, at the moment of your death, sends your life energy back to it. They feed each other constantly in a cyclical, symbiotic relationship. And they do so through Midi-Chlorians as bridges. Yeah.
Anyway people are still born with the ability to use the Force and can still manifest all the basic powers. Jump, push, pull, even sense attacks like Kylo Ren did when Poe tried to snipe him. You just don't get the really wild connection to that which lies beyond time and the material universe, but anyone without serious training wouldn't likely stumble on that anyway.
It's kind of an aside, really. Cosmic Force is equated with Destiny, so it really didn't seem to care until Rey came into play. Probably makes her more of a Sue to people already thus inclined. Personally I think it's kind of stupid. Like the Cosmic Force is being very petulant. Still she obviously caught its attention and once she did it makes sense it was manipulating events to keep her on her path, even after she fled from the Skywalker sword.
Jaxon Wood
I watched a few episodes of the clone wars for the first time. I don't think I've ever seen a more cartoonishly evil saturday morning cartoon supervillain since Cobra Commander.
All he is missing is a top hat and a handlebar mustache to twirl after he ties jedi to the railroad tracks.
Carson Morales
That's been Grievous since Episode III.
Caleb Johnson
The way I see it the Force has been watching out for her ass the whole movie. She kind of goes into a trancelike state, like when her voice becomes a bit flat when she finally gets the Mind Trick to work, or the sudden change in her demeanor before she starts seriously fighting back against Kylo Ren.
The Force definitely wants her around to do something, presumably get Luke his sword back or just convince him to stop being a goddamn hermit and man the fuck up, but arguably it has plans for Kylo Ren too the way the ground split between them on the Starkiller base planet just when he was beaten, forcing them apart so that Benny Boy lives to stab walls another day.
Christian Young
>All he is missing is a top hat and a handlebar mustache to twirl after he ties jedi to the railroad tracks.
Hey, having a cool moustache and tying bitches to train tracks is a serious job, those bitches aren't going to tie themselves to train tracks.
John Lewis
Star Wars has been filled with space jesus many a time before, and I suspect will many a time after. We may even have multiple space Jesuses... Jesii? - whatever, before the new trilogy is done.
Austin Rodriguez
They're all the chosen ones of their adventure. You don't have to have the Force as your literal daddy like Anakin to be set up for a huge role in destiny.
Each trilogy gives us another generation whose destiny it is to clean up the messes of the previous generation. Even if Anakin's trilogy was going back all the way to when the Jedi let at least one Sith Lord live and ended with him horribly fucking everything up.
At least Luke is getting a turn this time too, though I figure he'll play more of an Old Ben role. Hopefully without the dying part, at least not until Episode IX. Hopefully they don't start whittling down the cast of the OT too soon.
Still wondering what they'll do about Ackbar now that his original voice actor has died.
Bentley Adams
>pull impressions of an objects previous owner off an object >Rey spends all of VIII nicking everyone's stuff and fondling it for stat bonuses That would actually be pretty funny.
Jacob Nelson
FFG panel finished at Star Wars Celebration. Only thing new was "Correllian Conflict" campaign box for Armada. Includes a campaign, new objectives, and new unique pilots for X-Wings, TIE Interceptors, and more. There'll probably be an official announcement on the page later today similar to last year.
Only other thing is that they're "working on a Rogue One product." Phrasing implies something like a new board game, could just be bad phrasing and they plan to only make stuff for existing games, could be both.
Joshua Lopez
Oh, and the campaign box is supposed to be out later this year.
Oliver Phillips
>working on a Rogue One product Fingers crossed for an Imperial Assault expansion with maps that faithfully recreate Dark Forces levels on the tabletop.
Leo Murphy
Naboo Fighter variants when? You can't tell me they never developed past the N-1.
They're no good out here. I need something more real.
Nolan Baker
>new unique pilots for X-Wings, TIE Interceptors, and more.
Brody Murphy
>I need something more real. We all do, user. We all do.
Ian Cook
>Assaj Ventress manifested a very powerful Force Push when under extreme stress as a kid, which convinced the Jedi who witnessed it to take her as his Apprentice (apparently without bothering to tell the Council).
He was stranded on Rattatak and died before he could contact the Council.
Ryder White
There's this, I guess.
Andrew Taylor
It's mentioned in TPM by Qui-Gon, so yes, it's still canon.
Ryder Torres
Stop, I can only get so erect
Adrian Allen
what are some interesting (Not asking for game breaking) Race/Career/Spec combos?
Carter Nelson
>new unique pilots for X-Wings
As in, T-65?
Mason Allen
That'd be for Armada, which (currently) doesn't have any squadrons of T-70s.
Charles Young
How do you shoot Younglings? Easy, Don't lead them so much.
Well, the initial FFG built he came up with had 3000 XP. Which as was pointed out on the ffg thread, is about 1000 more than Yoda had when FFG statted the jedi council.
Blake Walker
>All those sets and costumes >"X-Wings, [something]-Wings, all around" >"...and then the X-Wing kills the AT-AT over there Kaboom!" >this glorious mother fucker straight out of the RAF during Desert Storm
Guys, I think I feel the hype overtaking me
Landon Young
I'm more amazed by the fact that even after his "trimming" he ended up on the same power level of yoda or the emperor
Xavier Hughes
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Jose Roberts
What? When? Where? Pls explain
Kevin Wilson
Star Wars Celebration is this weekend. Hold on to your butts.
I like the practical effects, the locations, Mon Milfma, and all of those delicious new stormtrooper variants.
I don't think Not-Bria Tharen saying "May the Force be with us" makes any sense in NuCanon, especially if Obi-Wan and Yoda are literally the last Jedi now.
Adam Long
>Once again falling for the practical effects marketing meme
Ryan Ramirez
The Force isn't just a Jedi thing, though. The Force exists without the Jedi/Sith/whatever. Force-users just have more than only a spiritual belief in it.
Carter Fisher
That seems to be a common rebel phrase before a mission. Ackbar says it before the Battle of Endor and Dodonna says it before the Battle of Yavin.
Anthony Allen
As opposed to what? "Hey guys, remember the prequels?". Go pretend to be retarded somewhere else.
James Garcia
It's like saying "may god be with us", it's almost a religious thing, soldiers in ww2 movies say it when shit is about to hit the fan, rebels say "may the force be with us" when shit is about to hit the fan
Juan Martinez
Just reminding you that there will be more CGI Effects then practical ones in the film. To ignore that fact would be silly.
Owen Edwards
Not a meme, just a preference. If you like excessive CGI that's fine. I'm sure Ghostbusters Because Its 2016 will have plenty of seats available this week
But in both of those cases they had a guy with a lightsaber sitting in on the briefing and the common sentiment of average joes in ANH was that it was a quaint old-timey religion.
Unless Blind Iron Monkey is some kind of weird Force tradition, in which case, I take it back.
I hope he's a weird Force tradition.
Jackson Taylor
Remember in Episode 4 during the briefing for the Battle of Yavin when that Rebel general said "may the Force be with you"? That established that a lot of Rebels have adopted at least a half-hearted interest in the Jedi religion, if only because the Emperor tried to purge all the Jedi and they're opposed to anything the Emperor does on general principle.
Blake Ward
The Force is on our side!
Levi Morales
He is supposed to like, believe in and try and follow the Force even if he's not a Jedi/Sith and man not have any demonstrable powers (other than movie blindness superpowers)
Bentley Lewis
VI VULT
Xavier Nelson
It's funny how everyone making a star wars movie now has to go "look at me, we're not using green screens (That much). We're using practical sets! Love us!" I'm curious about the blind guy, seems like the only way to explain that is being force sensitive.
Evan Rogers
It's not just Star Wars, it was the same for Fury Road. The point is that the use of CGI for absolutely everything is easy to see through after audiences being saturated with it for over a decade, and it effects the performances of the actors when all they have to go by is a couple of tennis balls on a featureless sound stage. Even though it's a set or a prop, just like with miniatures, there is an understanding that the thing on the screen was physically real.
Jaxson Hill
you know what would've been a cool idea? Since IRL Ion Engines work great in a vacuum but shit in atmo, if that had been translated into the star wars universe.
As in, while TIE fighters are dodgey little bastards in space, if they should enter a planet's atmosphere their engine's output drops so dramatically that they can't even generate enough thrust to keep it in the air and they drop like stones.
It would make for some unique tactics rebels could employ since their fighters don't use Ion engines they can still operate in atmo without any significant drop in performance. so they could use that to their advantage to either evade pursuing TIEs.
Obviously episode 7 and the Rebels cartoon nipped that idea in the but by showing ties flying around in a planet's atmosphere without trouble, but I still think that would be a cool idea.
Grayson Long
And Episode V, there were TIEs on bespin.
Kayden Collins
TIEs flying in-atmosphere is something that's been around for a long time but I agree it's a huge missed opportunity. Giving the atmosphere some effect - even a relatively soft-science one - on ship design would have given an actual in-universe reason for designs like the X-Wing.
I also think it would have been cool to have TIE fighters incapable of landing and only being able to be hung from a rack in a docking bay, but once again that ship has long sailed.
Well, I suppose one might argue that due to Cloud City's location on the edge of a gas giant the atmosphere might have been relatively limited at that point. Then again, people on Cloud City could breath just fine outdoors so that explanation seems unlikely.
Easton Jenkins
In the X-Wing books, TIEs lost a fair portion of their maneuverability in atmosphere and had significant loss of sideways vectoring.
Caleb Wright
Hmm, well maybe R1 will address it with the Avengers being used for in-atmo combat. It doesn't do anything about the examples of regular TIEs flying fine in-atmosphere but hell, at this point I've headcanoned in bigger things than a change in ship shape.
Parker Lopez
>"I like the fact that there are apples in the world." >"DON'T FORGET THERE IS ALSO SHIT." Doesn't seem relevant.
Anthony Butler
Forget to mention- Checked.
Evan Lee
IRL, ion engines actually work fine both in atmo and in vacuum. The problem is their thrust is very minimal, so the vast size of space makes them ideal, where they have plenty of time to build up greater speed with the small amounts thrust. Plus they have tremendous fuel efficiency.
What actually makes them shit in atmosphere, is the atmospheric drag cutting away at the small amounts of thrust they generate. But seeing as this is Star Wars, and Ion engines fall into the usual realm of space-magic sci-fi, the thrust the Ion engines provide is significantly high enough to where it wouldn't actuall matter that much in atmosphere.
Ayden Bennett
Freaking oggdudes chargen update is not recognizing previous created characters (but all my other custom shit is fine)... Oggdudes not having this glitch so it likely won't get fixed in time for my next session... FUCK.
Brody Roberts
CGI is fine, when used responsibly. Practical Effects are also great, and have a long history of perfecting them to a science. Bad practical effects are the realm of old B-rated monster movies, where you see the zipper, or the monster, or strings attached to the bats. Bad cgi is Disney's Chicken Little film, or Reboot (although Reboot was a great series, ahead of it's time).
All Practical Effects are the original trilogy. Too much Star Wars CGI is Episode 2, Attack of the Clones. Almost the entire goddamned movie is CGI. Bad Star Wars CGI is the singer in Jabba's Palace, CGI wookies in RoTS, or Jabba in A New Hope. It's therefore important to maintain the balance between Practical Effects, and (well done) CGI. Neither is better, but both are important to have.
Noah Morales
The one that always gets me is the CGI clone troopers in RotS. It pisses me off not just because it looks bad but because of how completely unnecessary it was; there are millions of fanboys/girls out there who would give their left testicle/ovary to dress up as one of those troopers and hang around on a Star Wars set all day.
Ryder Jones
Yeah, that was pretty bad, too. Or the CGI R2-D2 doing crazy shit purely on virtue of being CGI. Like fucking rocket booster flying around, or suddenly exploding everywhere as a distraction in RotS.
Asher Bell
>Ion engines in air
Naw. Well, very, very unlikely. If the chamber's filled with non-conductive material an ion engine won't work.
Air is non-conductive material.
Part of the problem with practical effects is their limitations. The Yoda puppet looked great, but couldn't do things like walk. Jabba was likewise stuck in place (driving the design of hutts. If it was going to be immobile then it should look immobile.)
Jaxon Lewis
Attack of the Clones has aged really badly on the effects front. Not just the stiffness of a lot of the animations, but even the way light sources clash with how the actors are lit in the green screen scenes is painfully jarring.
Wyatt Carter
I completely agree with the limitations of practical effects. But then you get shit like Ep 2's flying-saucer Yoda. There are pros and cons, and limitations to both practical and cgi. It all just depends upon the balance between using them, and not going overboard with either these days.
Charles Hernandez
New to the game and making my first character. How does buying more obligation work for getting more money and experience? It says I can't gain more additional obligation than their original starting value. So if I started with 10 obligation I can buy another 10 worth right, for a total of 20? Or I start with 0 and buy 10 obligation worth of bonuses?
Blake Barnes
As someone who got into Armada early and has had almost nobody to play with do you guys think with the next two waves coming out it'll grow? Everyone else really seems to prefer X-Wing over it.
