/tgesg/ - Weekend Elder Scrolls Lore General

Have some Daggerfall ones too.

Does each city have its own crest?

I only found these three, but in-universe High Rock probably has more crests than all the other provinces combined.

meant for

I can imagine that, but does Daggerfall the game have any more major cities that could have their own crest? (atleast, one we see ingame)

I don't think so.
Beyond Skyrim team made some for the main cities though, I think they look nice.

The big modding projects always have great concept art.

That true.
Too bad they are wasted on Skyrim's shitty engine.

>Is there more general militant religious minorities that would be willing to use lethal, organised force against the Imperial Cult rather than just the occasional cult like the Mythic Dawn
According to the Dragon Break Reexamined, yes. The growth of religious zealotry and estrangement following the odd events of the later Third Era contributed heavily to the Empire's fall.
I think Oblivion did an incredibly poor job at following up to the hints we were provided in Morrowind.
It was heavily implied that the Emperor's impending death was going to bring about an absolute political nightmare to the likes of which the Empire has never seen.

true

so what are heartstones? are they mentioned anywhere else?

Rock released from the explosion of Red Mountain that has retained some of the radiated energy of the Heart of Lorkhan.

Probably rock/lava from the Red Mountain imbued with the power of the Heart of Lorkhan, flunged to Solstheim during the Red Year.

Is that moonrock, at that height enough to trigger Red Mountain's eruption or Vivec only stopped it in it's track but still retain it's descending velocity because of magic. Or software limitation prevents it from being placed higher in the game?

It's not stopped but frozen. It still has its original velocity.

What? Du you mean irl?

Goddamn. I'm surprised the damage wasn't more devastating. Fucking Sheogorath.

Nah, somebody in the last thread said there was a brand of Nordic Ale that tastes like being on fire, but never provided a source.

I've been wondering, how exactly does enchanting work?

Even races that are usually distrustful of magic just seem to accept it. Trapping a soul into an inanimate object seems like it would bother some people, even if it is just an animals. I'm assuming whatever it is isn't conscious inside the object but are animals in TES subject to the same re-incarnation as sentient creatures and does enchanting prevent that from happening?

>Even races that are usually distrustful of magic just seem to accept it.
I think it's them being distrustful of the process but enjoy the results.

In my headcanon, most enchanters don't even know what exactly happens to the souls. It'd be mostly necromancers who know about the soul cairn.

The Soul Cairn is only linked to Black Soul Gems.

There's ghost cows there, and Arvak. Might be a mistake on Bethesda's part.

Black Soul Gems can capture white souls.

thats racist

What does Vivec's "banishment" of Azura entail exactly?

Can she not manifest physically on Nirn anymore? Is that why her Skyrim quest is done entirely through her priestess, presuming I'm not misremembering?

And why does MK hate her? She's literally the best Prince.

I don't think Vivec owned here that hard... after 200 years she should be able to manifest herself again.

Most daedric princes in skyrim quests don't show themselves.

>What does Vivec's "banishment" of Azura entail exactly?
That's something I have wondered too. According to the Census of Daedra Lords, all the gates too Moonshadow were closed off after the events of Vivec's Trial.
>And why does MK hate her?
Kirkbride has a massive hard-on for the Tribunal.

I like Sotha Sil more than Vivec and Almalexia

So I think last week Molag Bal and his Sphere were discussed pretty heavily, and it got me wondering what a society under Bal's followers and priests would look like. For example, an Ayleid city state where he was King Thickdick of Fuck Mountain.

The biggest dude would do what he wanted because he could.

A totalitarian regime with rigid hierarchy.

THE WEAK SHALL FEAR THE STRONG

nice trips

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Society would be governed by the strongest most brutal individuals who posses absolute power and are more than willing to display it. Slavery would be incredibly crucial if not hallowed to their society.
Extreme expressions of dominance and power, like public mass rape, torture, and execution of slaves and captives. Purposefully terrorizing of those below you for the shear sake of displaying you are capable of doing so without consequences.
The highest possible splendor coming from the act of crushing and humiliating your enemies (basically everyone). Desecrating their temples in the most blasphemous ways, enslaving or slaughtering their people and armies, mutilating their dead, razing their cities.

Basically a society based around being the biggest dick possible.

Molag Bal makes me happy Mehrunes Dagon exists.

IIRC:
>Deer: Falkreath (woods for days)
>Wolf: Solitude (revered predator, suitable for the throne of the high king)
>Star: Dawnstar (doi)
>Daggers: Riften (Thieves guild)
>Horns: Markarth (impliesmountain goats, 'casue its so mountainous)
>Crown: Winterhold (Mages are dicks)
>Trefoil: Morthal (idk has a sort of spooky mystical swamp-magic vibe to it)
>Bear: Markarth ((revered predator, suitable for the FORMER throne of the high king)
>Horse: Whiterun (wide open plains, trade centre of Skyrim)

...Wasn't it him who came up with their origin story anyway (including her BTFOing them)? Or was it in a book in Daggerfall somewhere?

Also Bear = Markarth because of the book "The Bear of Markarth".
Reminder that Ulfric's a child murderering gigacunt.

He was responsible for portions of their origin story (expressly the idea of them 'rightfully' taking the place of the Good Daedra), but not all of it. The whole Azura changing their skin, as far as I can tell, was not his doing, and neither was the idea that the Nerevarine was a sort of retribution on the Tribunal.

>Imperials
>Redguard
>Dumner
Origin of this masterpiece?

>MK is the "DEMONS ARE EVIL" fag from /co/ yesterday
kek
How fucking mad was he at the Tribunal expansion?

I'm a grandmaster lore master, ask me absolutely anything.

Tell me about Mehrunes Dagon, and what he's all about.

This was just an impersonator, I've been posting anonymously and am about to go to bed. But I'll answer any specific questions you have about Dagon because I don't mind keeping the thread active.

Screw you Ben I wanted to go to sleep.

>demons are evil
To quote MK's actual view on the matter:
>"Quit mixing up gods and demons, they are just emotions."

>Wolf:
May be in reference to Potema the Wolf Queen or possibly Wulf-harth who was King of Solitude.
>Daggers:
Riften was once ruled by an infamous Jarl named Hosgunn Crossed-Daggers
>Bear:
Ulfric's father was the "Great Bear of Eastmarch"

The names would probably be more accurately considered references to the city coat of arms, but I just find the connections interesting.

No sleep for you, only memes and memettes.

>Crown: Winterhold (Mages are dicks)
Actually, it's because Winterhold was the High King's seat for a while.

Bear is for Windhelm

i made that post

Officially, one of the 16 et'Ada that didn't contribute to the creation of Mundus.
If you adhere to the Creed of Kirkbride: imperial-library.info/content/seven-fights-aldudagga

Yeah my bad, meant Windhelm. I've been gardening what could pass for Hist roots, tired af.

Was meant to spoiler the image too. fug

kek, I've been posting it many times

thanks for your insight user

I think it was the week before that.

When it comes to a society made by the followers of Bal, I actually have to disagree with some of the other posters here. They're making it seem like individual power and martial strength is what Bal values the most, which I'd argue is only part of the truth. The real clue here is Domination.
But before I continue, I'll say that even though I disagree with the others, that doesn't mean that I think that I'm necessarily correct. It's ultimately my interpretation.
Perhaps just like two in-universe cultists might interpret Bal differently, so have we.

In Bal's view, the strong are inherently superior to the weak, but I'd argue that "weak" and "strong" here don't refer to physical or mental strength as much as they are about one's ability to dominate. Sure, the physically strong has a great advantage when it comes to ease of domination, but it's not a given that say a warrior king will be able to dominate more people than a spectacularly clever king.
In simple terms, the one who is the most able dominator should be in charge, regardless of one's methods.

Who even follows him? Subs?

Continued.

When it comes to public displays of dominance, I think one detail has been forgotten by others who have posted here. A follower of Bal is fully within his right to do whatever he wishes onto those weaker than him. But that does not mean that a good dominator would always be brutal, even if he has every right to be. Especially in a society built by the followers of Bal, where the idea of the hierarchical order doesn't need much reinforcement.

Really, I don't think brutality itself is all that important to Bal. Sure, he is a incredibly brutal god, but to so Dagon, and they have very conflicting spheres. Bal would not appreciate a brutal revolution against the rightful order, even if he would love brutality as a means to enforce the order.

Finally, I have to oppose the idea that being dominated is entirely negative. The relationship between dominator and dominated does not have to be one of complete exploitation. Few are more dominated by Bal than vampires, yet few are so blessed by him as they are. Bal raped Lamae so hard she fell comatose and died, but she was gifted with the only thin Bal truly cares for. The ability to dominate.
Likewise a king in a society of Bal could gift power upon his underlings, forming a hierarchy of the more gifted ruling the weaker.

End.

My guess would be people who believe in his vision of order, and/or people who want a gift of dominance. Plus those tied or aligned to him, like vampires.

Morthal is named for Morihaus, who was a winged bull. The Morthal crest represents stylized bull horns.

Looks like the symbol for illusion magic to me.

Maybe he had three horns?

you have a dirty mind user

bull benis

checked

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>argonian shipmaster on solstheim
who comes up with this shit?

Was this ever mentioned by any Skyrim NPC's? I know it's in a lore book, just wondering since it's been so long since I played it (and I only played Knight of the Nine recently).

Your posts imply an incredibly subtle take on domination that I'd rather doubt would be very prevailing belief amongst his worshipers, especially given what we are shown of actual Bal worshipers in-game.

Domination is an inherently blunt concept and lies much closer to the extreme than the subtle. Its driven by the very idea of forcing yourself upon others in the most supreme manner.
I mean, sure, all concepts have subtle influences but of all the Daedra, I would say that Molag Bal is the very least subtle. His will is literally carried out by a blunt object. Domination is absolute, one cannot be truly dominant until they've reached the top of the ladder. Dominance itself is judged by just how much space you can possibly leave between you and the people below you on that ladder. The display of dominance is equally if not more importantly shown through the presence of those you leave under your boot, to the stature of the one dominating. It's not just a simple desire for influence, it is the pure energy of displaying how much more magnificent you are than the dirt below you.
You are the highest possible power, your subject is the most pathetic speck of dust: that is truest display of domination.

from a loading screen uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-load-Morthal_is_said_to_be_named.jpg

Molag Bal's a fucking faggot, glad Vivec showed him a lesson

>Morihouse
>nordic hero
Wew.

Mory in the Haus?

>Trapping a soul into an inanimate object

This isn't how it works, the soul is a catalyst to embed the enchantment, after use it returns to the Dreamsleeve. the exception is black souls, which are sent to the Soul Cairn when used.

>find a black soul gem
>sweet, this will be great for my new weapon enchant!
>accidentally kill a rat
>black soul gem is worthless now

FUCK YOU SOUL GEM

She is unable to disguise her form, and chooses not to appear because her true form is a horrible writhing mass of evil.

Also she is the worst daedra, not only manipulative and deceitful but actively petty and vengeful with it, like all the worst parts of Jehovah.

>drop soul gem
>pick it up again
>everything is fine

>Breath-of-Kyne
>not a Nordic hero

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So on the topic of daedric society, would Dagon's followers even be able to maintain something? Or would it be a constant cycle of civil war and revolution?

Dremoras seem to do alright under Dagon's command and they are pretty organized.

>and chooses not to appear because her true form is a horrible writhing mass of evil.
Citation needed.
>Also she is the worst daedra, not only manipulative and deceitful but actively petty and vengeful with it
Michael is that you?

Well, the big example we have is Mythic Dawn, and they seemed to manage pretty well. Overall, it's more effective to act as a group to cause more destruction/revolution than continuously challenging the organization.

ULFRIC DID NOTHING WRONG

more Almalexihaus

Alduin pls go.

It's not very likely Black Marsh has an outright Monarchy, is it?

If anything it would be Theocracy.

Could one turn oneself into a walking gate of oblivion? Like literary, not someone constantly conjuring but someone who uses their body as a portal for dremoras and shit to pour into mundus. Like a suicidebomber but instead of going boom you shit daedras.

No, magic is not 40k psyker bullshit.

Prior to oblivion the only way to even open a short term game involved a ritual involving morphic stone, ritual cleansing and for the Prince of wherever you want to go to turn their eye to your petty mortal pleas. And yo had to have hella skill and hella will to pull that off.

>Dagon Wahhabis
BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT DAGON

>things ulfric did wrong
>force an issue of faith for his own personal gain knowing full well that the imperial stance on talos worship was 'don't ask, don't tell'
>did this on the tail for forcing the people who would become the forsworn out of their ancestral land aiding in the creation of idealogically motivated terrorists
>misuse of a sacred gift in the murder of a young king
>Like seriously you're a war veteran, you couldn't beat him in a duel?
>allowing the guy who let him out of the city to stay behind and get executed
>seriously you couldn't have sent a thief to break him out
>breaking a centuries old covenant for his own personal gain while using religion as a smoke screen
>bluntly allowing himself to be used by Thalmor to incite civil war

>tfw akatosh will never hug you