Magic: The Gathering Modern General (competitive discussion)
>Infect is one of the most dangerous decks in the metagame and is one of the most popular decks. How is your matchup against them? >Ad Nauseam has proven to be a good combo deck in this metagame. How does that make you feel? >There is currently no established Dredge list. Which version do you think is the best? >What EMN cards caught your eye and for what deck(s)? Will any new deck emerge?
New thread and this post at the same time. Extra mfw.
Thomas Ortiz
I think dredge is forever going to be to vulnerable to sideboards.
R8 my Naya midrange zoo.
Lincoln Butler
Sin prodder for no reason. I guess you can get 1 damage when they throw away your bolts
Ethan Cook
How has grishoalbrand been doing lately? I've always thought it was one of the coolest decks in modern and I'm finally going to buy in now that I've made more traditional decks
Camden Jones
>no goyf >no boros charm (this one is negotiable) >become immense
Adam Anderson
Try Sin Prodder before you hate on it. Fuels delve and Knight like its nobody's buinsess. Plus comes in from CoCo for immediate value at EoT.
Fuck goyf. I'll get it when's its 20 bucks.
Caleb Garcia
>Sin Prodder off CoCo >reveal become immense >opponent dies.
Owen Stewart
Sin prodder would be fine if it made sense in the deck. Your deck building skills are shit to say the least
Christopher Harris
Is anything in Infect banworthy?
David Young
Just gonna leave this here
Gavin Thompson
Cranial Plating. Oh sorry I thought you said Affinity
Caleb Wilson
Inkmoth nexus ban would nerf both decks.
Grayson Rogers
That would mean they'd have banned all of the remaining modern playable lands I actually own
Carson Jones
Busted lands are bad for modern. Blood moon is the only way to deal with them
Adam Taylor
That just means we need better land destruction
Hudson Collins
>Inkmoth >Busted
Really?
Its not even the main wincon of Infect or Affinity.
Plus theres dozens of ways to deal with it.
Grayson James
Yea but wotc won't ever print that again
Lucas Cox
wasteland would make modern better
Kayden Mitchell
What about a card like this?
Ian James
Theres a pptq coming up and I've never been to one before but I'd like to attend. I'll be playing BW Tokens. Any of you guys go to one before?
Is there any sideboard tech I can have against tron matchups besides stony silence and ghost quarter?
Kevin Jackson
Heres your (you)
Parker Bennett
Surgical extraction can deny tron. I've heard of talk of selfless spirits but haven't tried them myself. Anguished unmaking was advised last time I asked in here too..
Tyler Edwards
Is elves still a thing? I have all the deck staples except cavern and heritage druids.
Samuel Hall
Who Dredge here? Who else enjoys T4 Loam into Conflagrate?
Jackson Gomez
'sup my nazi brüdder
Austin Reed
Dredge is trash. Enjoy winning game 1 and losing the next 2 games every match.
Henry Barnes
>Angel's Grace Ad Nauseam >A G A N >again
Thomas Carter
Where did this whole dredge = nazis thing come from?
Jayden Harris
It's one of the cheapest decks in Legacy, therefore it's anti-jew
Brayden Scott
>Retreat >FAERIES >D&T >UR Thopters >UR Through the Breach
FUCKING FAERIES
LITERALLY WHAT HAPPENED AT THAT EVENT
Jacob Diaz
Apparently it's the only guy who can consistently place high with faeries at competitive events
Nicholas Williams
So he's peeking at his opponent's deck while cutting after fetches and leaving a shockland on top. Got it.
Benjamin Thomas
What?
Hudson Ortiz
>Playing a card for when you play a card off another card okay
Isaac Thompson
Faeries players don't consistently win out of nowhere.
Zachary Ortiz
No I mean what do you mean by cutting after fetches to leave a shockland on top? How do you even do that? Also, his deck shifted to include plenty of snaps and less game ending faeries to keep up the tempo as well as Kalitas which is just a house and makes up the weakspot faeries has of killing itself.
Luis Morgan
Well if you looked at his deck while shuffling a few turns into the game you could sleight of hand a shockland on top. Generally you don't want to be drawing shocklands that far into a game.
Asher Peterson
Which deck gives you the most trouble and why?
Ryan Morris
do you have a video or know which match and event it was?
Isaac Campbell
I refuse to believe anyone has trouble with living end
Evan Hughes
Dredge
Evan Butler
1. AntiJew 2. It's everything maro stands against 3. It's MaRo ( a jew) creation that turned against him 4. It's 14.88 on the storm scale.
Ryder Turner
Several creature decks fold to it pretty hard.
Leo Sanders
As a burn player Jeskass, Jund and Titanshift tend to make my life a living hell. Jund has Goyfs and Lilly which make life absolutely no fun. Titaneshift has Baloths in the SB which provide them with enough lifegain to make me cry like a bitch. And Jeskass is just straight up ass cancer.
Jacob Torres
Dude that picture is sick.
Ayden Rodriguez
Thanks, anything else that should be added?
Ayden Nguyen
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Asher Rivera
Just purchased grishoalbrand. Tell me what you think
Elijah Rodriguez
It's fun, but be prepared to loose to yourself.
Ryan Walker
IN THE MUSIC THE MOMENT YOU WANT IT YOU BETTER NEVER LET IT
Christopher Anderson
I already play rug delver in modern so I'm used to cards not coming together
James Morales
God bless the Chinaman. Saviour of mtg
Robert Gutierrez
There was someone at the prerelease I went to saying that fetchlands should be banned in modern. His reasoning is that without them, buying into the format is less costly, it makes games go faster since there is less shuffling, and I'm not sure what he was getting at with the last reason, but basically, something about how decks shouldn't get away with playing 3 or more colors so easily?
Either way, go ahead and list the reasons why he's wrong.
Asher Gonzalez
I was always wondering where you guys get your high quality proxies from. I will be dead before I pay 100 fucking bucks for a magic card. 10 sure. 20 I can kinda live with or trade for it. But fucking 100? Not a chance
Jack Clark
If one card becomes cheaper, the rest of the cards in the deck rise in price to compensate. Just look at Eternal Masters making some cards cheaper; the money just went into duals. That guy was a naive dumbass.
Jacob Thompson
This. Cards what they do because there is actual cash money available from tournaments. Whatever the best card is, it will always cost what the market values it at.
Jayden Turner
Whens the new ban list up? Also, any decks aside from hw hatebears feature voice of resurgence?
Caleb Adams
I agree with him on all counts, fetchlands were a mistake
Anthony Thompson
It comes out on the 18th. Also theres a shitton of decks that Voice is in, mostly Kiki-kord and Collected Company.
Camden Clark
It's more that people are willing to spend a constant X money on a deck, so if A+B+C=X and A becomes 0, B and C just soak it up and X remains constant still.
Ayden Gray
Find a storm player to play against, it the most fun thing ever
John Reyes
If fetchlands were banned, then Affinity and Burn would fuck the format raw. The fetchlands ban would do literally nothing to them (just don't play Wild Nacatl) and everyone else is worse off.
Josiah Gomez
As an Infect player, any decks heavy on removal.
So Burn, Jeskai, Grixis, etc.
Jose Sullivan
Karn needs better fitting into the image,
Wyatt Evans
As a Pox-Rack player I don't have trouble first game, but shit like Leyline and Soul Sisters can really fuck me up.
Ayden King
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Chase Gray
BECAUSE I'M FUCKING HUNGRY RIGHT NOW, OJUTAI
Parker Rogers
Calling out the guy that tried to make a horrible burn and tokens deck. Post your updated decklist
Levi Diaz
Burn player here I would fucking hate it if I lost my fetches. I mean I COULD play RG Burn, but Naya Burn makes the deck so much more consistent.
Jacob Gutierrez
my matchup is favorable against infect, but i have yet to be matched against it at saturday modern
suggested replacements: a 1-drop or ezuri for elves melira for abzan valakut for scapeshift
i think that's pretty cool
what do you think about white splash for lingering souls and sideboard leyline removal?
Luis Price
>Fetches are banned Three color decks become unviable Two color decks become more janky Mono-colored decks move into tier lists Evolving Wilds becomes Modern playable
Nicholas Wright
Picture was taken from MTGGoldfish. I guess Karn can be made better as an exception.
Shaman of the Pack represents the deck better: Elves is now GB and other variations are non-competitive.
Melira and Anafenza are interchangeable. No real opinion here.
Valakut for... Scapeshift? Why not simply Scapeshift?
Christian Torres
How about Elvish Archdruid?
Bentley Young
Eh, I like Shaman better but here's a version with fixed Nahiri/Karn and Elvish Archdruid.
Cooper Foster
AN honestly is the worst because i'm not fast enough to race them and leyline shuts off my interaction scapeshift and tron are scary because removal is weak against them and they topdeck bombs
>Why not simply Scapeshift well i was thinking of the gr titan and breach variants which often forgo scapeshift but they share valakut as a wincon? idk maybe they shouldn't be lumped in one square
against heavy removal, could infect win off Thrun?
Wyatt Parker
>no goyf >no rhino >no liliana >no lingering >no bolt >no pte what's the point
Kayden Garcia
Fair enough.
Cooper Moore
To represent the decks in the current metagame. Each picture refers to one specific deck (when you see Blighted Agent, you automatically think of GU Infect).
The only ones with a decent argument for inclusion are Lingering Souls (Tokens) and Siege Rhino (Abzan), but those decks are very bad right now.
Jonathan Campbell
>junk >very bad right now ??? But yeah tokens will always be a 2.5-3 tier deck.
Oliver Clark
how about kommand for grixis and esper charm for esper
David Carter
If you want to play BGx, Jund is the way to go. If you want to play BGW, Abzan Company is the way to go.
Why does this chart not have scapeshift on it? Its a solid tier 2 deck and is more relevant than decks like dredge.
Cooper Brown
It's using Valakut as a representative for Scapeshift and GR Valakut decks that use Through the Breach, although if this is what its gonna be I suggest changes it to the original Zendikar art
Chase Rivera
>mfw I unload a trade away a shitton of edh jank for modern staples
Anyone else got any recent good trades? Bad ones?
Alexander Long
As a Burn player Abzan and Jeskai are my worst matchups even though I actually ended up 2-0ing Abzan at FNM yesterday When I play Scapeshifts its Infect and Affinity
Jaxson Cruz
Is there a site like YGOpro for MtG? I want to try some decks before I buy.
Evan Evans
Should I buy Esper draw go or BW tokens? I like both, but don't have the cash to buy them both. Which deck is more competitive?
Ryan Harris
You're options are Xmage and Cockatrice. Cockatrice needs you to actually play it out yourself like Duelling Network, while Xmage plays it out for you like with YGOpro.
Cameron Miller
Then Cockatrice is probably the better idea so I get a better feel for things. Which is more popular though?
Gabriel Sanders
I do, do quite well on an FNM level due to my local meta. Always switch to Jund for big events though
Dylan Evans
Xmage has been rising in popularity but overall Cockatrice has more players since it's been around longer. Cockatrice is probably better in the end since it forces you to actually play the game out yourself instead of having the computer play it out for you. Just be wary of retards and prepared to get into rules arguments.
Asher Bell
Thanks, I'm not too experienced with MtG so I'll probably just roll over and accept the bitching.
Samuel Thompson
I want to make a gimmicky as fuck deck. Recommend me some really weird cards to base a deck around.
Ayden Hughes
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Camden Flores
Tokens does have more competitive finishes under its belt, but I would buy Esper for a couple reasons.
First, Esper is more interactive and has a higher skill ceiling than Tokens so it will be more interesting to play for a long period of time if it's your only deck.
Second, Esper has more staple cards in it so your investment helps you buy into other decks if/when you do decide to do that.
Third, Esper is more adaptable to the metagame and can be built to beat almost any deck. It's much harder for Tokens to cover its bad matchups without compromising the deck's basic strategy.