Pathfinder General /pfg/

Okay, so - stylistically, you've got a shitload of things that are randomly capitalized when they shouldn't be, and that's a major pet peeve of me, so gonna set that out there.

Secondly, are people forced to play PoW classes or not? You have rules for sorcerers and animal companions and backgrounds for characters to be magicians but there's that PoW restriction mentioned.

Thirdly, I am incredibly wary of anything that shoves its players into frozen rusty dagger shanktown with literally no gear, no money, no anything. Is that really what you intended?

It's alright user, let soothing elf hips calm you.

Poor implementation of Apocalypse World.

Go play Fellowship for PbtA fantasy instead.

I legitimately love the Trixie. The offspring of a gnome and a pixie, but they don't breed, no. They just become best friends, and after decades, centuries, of closeness, the pixie coughs out a seed. They plant the seed, they water it, and after a year or two, a trixie grows!

It's like a story you'd tell your child who asks where babies come from.

I'm currently running Reign of Winter.

The party has just entered the Howlings, and they're proceeding with remarkable diplomacy for a curmudgeonly group of Murder-hobos.

They killed the Mirror Man, but they fucked up their stealth rolls because they didn't roll high enough to know not to rely on the Alchemist's Invisibility Extracts. The Human Warder has a date with Greta, and might wind up recruiting her to the party. The Ranger has become increasingly paranoid, and has recently shifted alignments from LG to NG due to seeing the abuses perpetrated by the Lawful Evil government.

Oh, and they fucked up on the extermination of the Winter Wolf and his human buddies before getting there - one of them had their Raven get away (I used Ravenlord Harbingers for them), and it has informed the witches of their presence, so... fun times.

EMBRACE THE ELEMENTS
Discipline: Elemental Flux (Stance)
Level: 1
Fire You gain a +4 bonus on initiative checks and
you gain the benefits of the endure elements spell.

So Pathfinder is for furfags, right? Got it. Do I need to actually wear a fursuit to play, or will they just take it on my word that I'm a foxkin?

Frostwilds would be cool. Could break out the Old Norse and see if you can come up with something close to Frostwild (Kalaheim, maybe?)

Name one game that hasn't got furfags shoehorned into it.

Good luck.

Dungeon World

Our current party is an experiment by our GM. Basically, we're all gestalt, but only one half of our gestalt is common knowledge to the rest of the group; the other half is a secret between the player and the GM.

Most of us blew the secret really early on, but our Kobold Life Oracle successfully kept his under wraps until last night, our twentieth session. We were fighting a losing battle against hordes of lizardfolk backed by ogres, when suddenly the goofy, half-senile healer busts out some Spheres shit and animates a huge pile of lizardfolk as undead. Turns out he was half Thaumaturge the whole time, and was optimising the Death sphere. Saved our asses, but the Paladin/Sorc was really pissed.

Looks awesome, might want to specifically disallow cthulu-stars bits as well. I'd also note more explicity "Can everyone get some fighting prowess please, this is barbarian funtimes" at some point.
Altering racial skill bonuses, or no?

Only gripe is "Fistbeard" in the dorf clans.

i kekd

That actually sounds pretty fun, if you're able to do it in a group that can trust each other. How'd it go after the session?

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He said game, user.

Anons, anybody have playtest with mandala adept archetype for mystic class?

Mandala Adept? What's that about?

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If you bone Greta in human form, will the children be human or wulfkin?

Human-shaped dragons breed half-dragons, so there's precedent. Wulfkin.

Wulfkin most likely, or at least the start of a Sorcerous Bloodline (more likely a Bloodrager though). She's still genetically a winter wolf, even if she takes a human shape. It's like Ranma or whatever, animals who got shapeshifted to be wives passed on their animalistic-traits.

It was a shitstorm, but in a good way. Nobody could believe that he had gone that long without using half his character, and he was surprised (and smug) that nobody figured it out sooner. He and the Gm exchanged many high fives that night.

It does put the paladin in an awkward position, though. He took Oath Against Undead for flavor reasons, and is sworn to kill all necromancers he sees, but the kobold has yet to do anything really evil. In fact, he has done nothing but heal the sick and aid those in need the whole game. My inner GM got the biggest shit eating grin when this all went down.

I'll check the capitalization and such for that; I'm not sure where that happened when it shouldn't have.

As for PoW classes, the default is "Yes, they must", but the GM can over-rule that if he'd like. The Sorcerer thing is in case that comes up, or they want to take the Eldritch Heritage feats - same with the Animal Companion info.

They're given some "token" gear at the beginning of the game by the guardsmen who escort them beyond the wall, and they technically should be starting with Prisoner's Garb regardless, so they're not buck naked. In addition, one of the first things they find out in the wild is the corpse of a few Cortovan explorers; netting them some gear.

Angry Man is also meant to help deal with that, as someone with that trait can pick up a particularly sturdy stick, and use it as an improvised Greatclub or Quarterstaff that is also a Discipline Weapon for Primal Fury. Same with Runescarred, as Prestidigitation, Spark, or Mending would be a godsend.

Mayhaps.

The Cthulhu thing will actually come into play when they start treating with the Dwarves and the Drow, especially if they sue for peace and trigger the Battle Without Honor and Humanity bits (there were certain cults that were vested in the Dwarven and Drow conflict continuing without a decisive end - whoever the players side against, the cults will assist in rebuffing the assault, whereas if they manage to obtain peace between Drow and Northern Dwarf, they just go "JUST ELDER GOD MY SHIT UP SENPAI" and summon some star spawn to light fires the PCs need to put out).

Racial bits won't really be altered too much.

Maybe I'll eliminate the Fistbeards, though I'm not sure who to replace them with. The Ironfist? The Steelfist? Hmm...

>What's that about?
Charisma-based archetype for Mystic class.

Given everything going on in my Reign of Winter game, I expect the Ordained Dervish Defender will be giving Greta a litter of Wulfkin pups sooner rather than later.

That's basically the Animus Adept, IIRC.

This is disgusting. All this hatred for a game you haven't even played.

Is it really necessary to have eight hundred feats that are 90% trap options? Or 50 different full caster classes with very little to distinguish them? Sprawling character sheets full of rules, and having to keep track of your characters base attack and combat maneuver bonus because the system you play cannot balance itself for fuck?

Why are you still playing this garbage? D&D 5e isn't much better, it is slightly less rules-heavy but is full of shitty class features that do not add to the fiction, which comes first in ANY roleplaying game.

The combat in Pathfinder is boring because as soon as some interesting back-and-forth starts, it is on to the next players turn and all tension is lost.

In Dungeon World there is no initiative, so you can go whenever you want. This means the fight takes on a whole new texture, far more like an action movie instead of a boring ass wargame played by two fat 40-year-old fucks who spend too much of their income on overpriced miniatures.

In my last Dungeon World game my fighter wrestled a bear out a window. We are talking about real roleplaying here, not babby 3.5 shit.

Can you say the same of your sessions?

I have no clue about Dungeon World, user. I just hate Pathfinder and I know it rustles their jimmies to bring it up.

>cthulu bits
I'm just noting it as an early bit for being a little troublesome if they're 'right'.

As for the fistbeards, it just sounds too memey. The others are reasonable.

>All this hatred for a game you haven't even played.
I don't care about the game, I just don't like you. Personally.

I wish I could find an online game where the DM would give me a waifu and interpret every romance bit with her willingly, even if its pretty gay I don't care

Cool. Well, if you hate Pathfinder, play something better (like Dungeon World). Anything else makes you a useless shitter.

>I don't care about the game, I just don't like you. Personally.

Then your argument is based on personal attacks, and you have no excuse for not playing it.

But I LIKE wargames.

I hope it goes well, since that's exactly the sort of thing that I'd be worried would happen with the setup (well, that immediately followed by the paladin murdering the kobold or the kobold smugfacing while the paladin falls because he made the mistake of unknowingly playing oath against the undead in a party with a necromancer).

Sort of, but i wanna Mandala not Animus.

>even if its pretty gay
What about a cute husbando then?

>Then your argument is based on personal attacks, and you have no excuse for not playing it.

If the playerbase is anything like you, that sounds like an EXCELLENT reason not to touch it regardless of how great it is.

Their jimmies aren't rustled enough yet.

Again, ad hominem. The player base does not matter in this discussion, only the quality o the game that is being played. So that argument is also invalid.

>I wish I could find an online game where the DM would give me a waifu and interpret every romance bit with her willingly, even if its pretty gay I don't care

Pathfinder players, everyone!

don't you dare drag mothman into your awful fetish shit

>Pathfinder players, everyone!
Yep, some of us are lonely fucks who want to at least pretend to feel some intimacy.

And others of us are loud assholes who won't shut up about a shitty game nor explain why it's good beyond "it's good!".

I'd actually rather the former, so please go, or at least get yourself a shitty trip so I can filter you? I suggest WORLDPOSTER.

How long do you plan on doing this

Sorry user, I just wanted to contribute to the shitpost pile. Im not a gay, but it's either that or dungeon world shit.

Actually, the player base matters a lot. DW players are immature, mindless, unimaginative players who think simplicity and being led around by the nose in a freeform game by an incompetent GM is good.

I've run it, I've read the books.

It's simplistic, unimaginative, and pointless. Anyone with more creativity than a rock finds it just as unimaginative, boring, and pointless in addition to unnecessarily constraining and hopelessly mired in a useless mechanic that means nothing.

>Pathfinder players, everyone!
So you're trying to say you find odd that a nerd with relationship problems plays with role playing games, that for definition are the King of escapistic activities?
Go back to facebook. please.

Pathfinder players think they're hip for playing Pathfinder instead of D&D, but it's just like liking a mainstream band and pretending that makes them more hip than liking some other, slightly more mainstream band.

I remembered it really irritating me in the human write up, though a lot of that stuff, like the domains of the two gods, could go either way (I'd err on the side of lowercase except in the case of things that directly personify the god - Selene is the Moon, but she is also a goddess of compassion, lowercase.) Also, in the post I'm replying to, prisoner's garb, greatclub, and quarterstaff, at least, should be lowercase. Again, this is entirely a pet peeve thing, and you are well within your rights to tell me to fuck right off.

>Again, ad hominem. The player base does not matter in this discussion, only the quality o the game that is being played. So that argument is also invalid.

Bullshit. The playerbase is the single most important thing about a game. You can have fun playing a bad game, or you can have bad time playing a great game. It all depends on the people you play with.

Except everyone in this thread acknowledges Pathfinder is basically D&D.

Shit most PF fags do. If you want to bait start talking shit about Path of War. If you REALLY want to go full bass pro, shit talk psionics.

Most players out of here play both without giving much fucks, though.

Fair enough.

BOI IMMA BOUT TO DO IT

I've been on Veeky Forums ten years and I still have no fucking idea of what an ad honorem is

I'm a oracle/bloodrager. I have cha to ref/fort from oracle. How can I get it to will?

>ad honorem
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_honorem

My current party is made up of a Ratfolk necromancer(me) a recently fallen antipaladin, and a samurai bird personabd We are essentially beta testing the GMs setting. Currently out bad of misfits have angered an entire country with necromatic shenanigans, sailed across an ocean using undead as a sort of engine, met a God who like to take the form of a ghostly cat, and had to kill copies of ourselves to prove our worth to said God.

So far our gm has learnt that necromancers are not to be fucked with, especially with a 60 foot tall necrocraft, never to give anyone a crit range of 10-20 ever again(our samurai can almost one-shot most enemies now), and that once someone gets their AC past 30 to ignore it and focus on saves sometimes.

The main focus is him ramping up the difficulty honestly, we can hold our own at level 10, that and throwing more magic users at us, otherwise he's a fine gm.

I think DW and PF are both systems build towards different play styles meant to compliment people looking for different things in their roleplay and I also think RPGs are, moreso than most other hobbies, capable of producing products for many different playrbases without any one product suffering for it.

DONT YOU DO IT

I'm playing a halfling ranged paladin/destined bloodrager in a gestalt game. My GM says my defendes are too high and I need to tone I down. I'm not even sure how to without redoing my build.

>10-20 crit range
The absolute madman

You think anyone in this thread thinks they're hip? Look around you, it's all waifus and lewd degeneracy. There's a reason most of the games talked about in this thread are online.

>Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.[2]

Basically, your game sucks because you're a faggot.

Ad Hominem is a direct personal attack, e.g. "Your Game System of choice is bad SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE you are a fat smelly neckbeard who plays shitty games."
It's a cousin to Ad Infinitum (arguing until everyone else gets bored using circular logic) and Ad Nauseum (just arguing until everyone gets sick of it.)

That's called ERP, user. Some people enjoy it.

I agree with this tired man.

Ironically the people who cry out "ad hominem" are usually the ones playing the ad infinitum and ad nauseum game. Often they are also virt.

Kicked things off in a vaguely French-sounding city. Everyone was getting ready for a week's worth of celebrations and violent contact sports, but the lord of the land had come down with a sudden and fairly serious case of death. His blushing bride-turned widow is en route from !notItaly to claim the city, but the lord's nephew has decided that now is the time to make his play, and marched a shitload of troops into the place, ordering the city closed and asserting to all and sundry that "no, really, guys, my uncle told me to do this before he died, honest". Meanwhile, evidence seems to point to aforementioned bride having ordered her hubby whacked, but there hasn't been very much investigating, due to the officer in charge of the investigation accidentally brutally cutting off his own head while combing his hair.

And now our happy little band is stuck in a district that has been sealed off from the rest of the city by the occupying forces. Unrest is rapidly rising, we have no idea what is going on in the rest of the city, and while it's rumored that the assassin who killed the lord is somewhere in the district, there haven't been any patrols or any kind of interaction with the city guards or the occupying soldiers. Also, we might have cultists.

So pretty normal stuff.

The best moment was when the character was freaking out about the dragons we were fighting(two adults, one green, one bronze.

Suficed to say they went full RULES OF NATURE on the dragon and did a total of 186 damage, killing it. The entire table was in tears.

Cool beans. Can we go back to discussing the one of those two games that is actually in the OP?

That sounds fucking hilarious yet incredibly retarded at the same time. You I like user.

>due to the officer in charge of the investigation accidentally brutally cutting off his own head while combing his hair.

Are you sure you're not in Tsarist Russia?

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>Brutally cut off his own head
I love every single comedic instance of "Worst case of suicide I've ever seen".

The whole games been filled with these moments, partly because the gm is giving us "hero feats" (see: home brew feats he's testing) and partly because we keep going into left field with how we work problems out.

Recently there was the time, with the clones and the God, in which the 60ft necrocraft, following my orders to disable the clones, picked up the antipaladins clone(which weighed close to 400 pounds armor and all) and, which was best described by the gm, proceeded to football spike the anticlone into the samurai clone, splattering them both into piles of gore.

The God had to take a brief moment, the table/Gm had to take 5 to collect ourselves.

Okay, that keeps them from freeing to death, sort of how Blood of the North treats them as if they were wearing Winter Clothes. That's one of about fifteen or so different challenges to survive in the wilderness. And, most importantly, it does not apply when they're sleeping, so they still need to find shelter.

>Go play Fellowship for PbtA fantasy instead.
Wait, is that actually out? I've really been looking forward to that one.

Oh god, I forgot to check on that. The one thing that would make this an absolute shitfest is it starting at level 1. Please tell me it starts at like 3 or 4 ish...

That's the plan, yes.

Shouldn't be super difficult.

Yeah, Fellowship is out. I've enjoyed what I've read of it, except that I wish that this LotR replicating game was less obviously LotR inspired.

Wait, you're starting characters at above level one AND giving them jack shit in starting gear? I'm not one of those m-muh wbl types, but that sounds super bad.

No, I'm starting them at level 1 and giving them jack shit in starting gear, but the literal first encounter is "Oh hey, some raggedy, worn out gear to help you not die immediately"

That's even worse

Skulls and Shackles did it. Best AP by far, at least the first module.

Every time you shitpost Sslarn, a Paizo fairy buys 3 copies of AM. You're literally keeping him in business.

Nowhere it says the group without equipment faces CR-appropriate encounters. Or combat encounters at all.

Its not ERP, I want emotions, shy physical contact and blushing, not stupid smut shit to jack off
I need to masturbate my heart.

Have things changed? I thought the first module was REVILED because of getting press-ganged and muh player agency?

Maybe I just prefer not being a blundering naked retard who can hit things gud/throw one/two spells maybe a day, to start out every campaign.

I might just me being bored of rusty shank town but I can't imagine too many enjoy the trek from being wet paper to damp cardboard(level 3)

I know this need as well user, but believe me, waifufaggotry is not the answer.

>muh player agency
People take this way too far. Any time a player is forced to do anything under any circumstances people freak the fuck out. It's as if a more powerful individual should ever exert their power.