Magic: The Gathering Modern General (competitive discussion)
>In roughly one hour, the banlist update will be released. When it's out, answer this: what are your thoughts? >Guillaume Wafo-Tapa is having some success with Esper Control on MTGO. Granted, it's a professional pro player, but what are your thoughts on the deck? >Is Spirits a meme?
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You can unban up to three. Which do you choose?
Jayden Mitchell
Right now? I don't think the format needs anything to change. In the future, maybe BBE.
Alexander Smith
Stoneforge Mystic and maybe BBE.
Aiden Wood
I would unban
>Splinter Twin
It wasn't broken and all the reasons wotc listed as reasons to ban it were completely pulled out of their ass
>Stoneforge Mystic
Control should be able to exist and SfM would help
>rite of flame
Storm is shit and I don't think it'll push it into tier 1
Noah Morales
Obviously nothing will be banned right now. I doubt anything will be unbanned either, but I hope Stoneforge Mystic gets unbanned just my AEther Vials spike to FoW-level ridiculousness.
I'm also considering Bygone Bishop since all creatures are cmc 3 or less and the deck's severely lacking card draw. Plus, using vials means you don't have to worry much about leaving the mana open to cast the creature after crackin the clue.
You could say its too slow, but cantriping off every creature to keep your hand fueled is very important for a tempo deck that wants to have cards in hand as answers or bluffs. Its solid card advantage turn after turn in a deck that is played during your opponents' turn, so its great to be able to draw a card or two if you don't have any answers or nothing in particular to answer to.
Michael Evans
Nice.
Brody Collins
No sideboard? How do you expect anyone to play with this deck?
Jacob Rogers
I omitted in because I was in a rush to post before the ban announcement, since I expected ban discussion would clog up the thread. Guess that ain't happening no mo'.
Still, spirits have such a wide array of sideboard options that anything other than one tailored to your particular meta needs would be a mistake plain and simple. Still, here are a few standouts:
>Kataki, War's Wage >Eidolon of Rhetoric >Spirit of the Labyrinth >Promise of Bunrei >Anguished Unmaking
The list goes on. Really, there are quite a few very technical cards that fit into the tribal theme and that's without getting into traditional esper sideboard options.
Juan Ross
Ponder, stoneforge, Deathrite.
Fight me.
Luke Taylor
I can only pick one deck to play locally, with a budget of 500.
Living End, RG Breach, Ad Nauseum, or Eldrazi Tron.
Which one will I get the most fun out of for the longest amount of time on paper?
Austin Garcia
Dead format dead thread no one plays this card game unless it's for free online.
Isaiah Rogers
>Control should be able to exist and SfM would help
Is this bizarro land or does Jeskai Harbinger not exist in your area?
Adam Mitchell
Ad Nauseam is the most viable and fun if you're into solitaire, which frankly Modern is all about (goldfish as fast as you can and/or draw your sideboard). Living End folds to any countermagic and yard hate, Eldrazi Tron is straight up worse than regular RG, Breach is worse Titanshift/RG Valakut.
Grayson Roberts
BANLIST UPDATE WHEN?!?!?!
Jose Johnson
Ad Nauseam isn't even fun solitaire though, if you're gonna play a deck that wanks off at least pick one that takes thought
Of those 4 I'd go Eldrazi Tron cuz the other 3 are linear as hell, most of your games are going to be the same
But if you want to win, AN is the best there
Asher Jenkins
I would ban anything pre-10th edition
Carter Campbell
THIS
>Ban all cards that only exist with a while border >Unban EVERYTHING else
That's it, Modern saved.
Luke Howard
>while
white* kek
Aiden Allen
Jitte, Preordain, and Deathrite
Gabriel Sanders
>Splinter Twin A card that made 90% of non-tier 1 decks lose consistably at turn 4
I really hope you see some reasons for banning that card
Jace Long
Have you accepted your new Queen and Saviour of the format yet, Veeky Forums?
I'm assuming you were all smart enough to immediately get your playset at the prerelease
Jack Thomas
So basically she's the new Daenerys/SJW Communist leader?
Andrew Murphy
No because I prefer to play interactive midrange decks rather than "interactive" fedora.dec.
Bentley Reed
>Playing my UBr Tezzerator list >They tap out for T4 Nahrir >Trinket Mage for a Pithing Needle and play it >Slam Ensnaring Bridge >Grind them out with EE and Academy Ruins >Tezz ult them out B E S T P L A N E S W A L K E R
Michael Foster
Ad Nauseam is the best deck there, but it's also boring, just like Living End and Breach, you just hope you pull off your gimmick before the other person does.
Eldrazi Tron isn't the best, but it isn't the worst either, and it takes a little more thought than a brainless Ad Nauseam combo.
You honestly use 2% of the Ad Nauseam deck, the rest is just filter filler garbage. It's hideously idiotic to play.
Colton Wilson
You know a new deck is good when people hate on it
Isaiah Peterson
>that takes thought No deck in Modern takes any thought when compared to say Shardless, DDFT, Miracles and Vintage Mentor. Picking a more complex deck that doesn't have any additional edge in any matchup just for scoring some bragging rights about "how you have to think" is about as retarded as you can get. >Any Tron variant >Not the most linear deck this side of Burn
Lincoln Lopez
That's some shit inference you got there, senpai.
Alexander Murphy
Great, I love Modern at the moment.
Ian Baker
I would just settle for banning all white border only cards. Not sure if reprints are fine to make them legal, but we're all better off without 8ED and 9ED.
Mason Lopez
Compared to Ad Naus, Eldrazitron takes massive amounts of brain power.
I've never played a deck as boring as Ad Naus. You start to doubt everything because you spent money on filter stupidity to get out your one win con. It's just not fun.
At least playing RG Breach gives you some staples in the manabase and doesn't roll over to any one particular deck.
Gabriel Baker
He's trying to pick a deck to get the most fun out of for a long period of time, I'm not telling him to pick a more complex deck for fucking bragging rights, I'm doing it so he doesn't lose interest in whatever he sinks his cash into And who the fuck comes into a Modern thread and compares Modern decks to Legacy and Vintage decks? No shit they're more complicated, but he's asking for a Modern deck in a Modern general
Charles Richardson
why the hate for white bordered cards? I run them all the time in my decks.
Noah Hernandez
It's mostly about some of the super-dedicated hatecards of that time, mostly Blood Moon, Choke and Boil. Several pros have said they do not fit the "spirit" of modern magic
Personally I don't really mind them nor would I mind if they'd ban them
Charles Gonzalez
It makes autists (like 90% of the playerbase) mad. Just mix some white and black bordered lands.
Angel Ward
And Ensnaring Bridge Never forget Bridge
Jace Morris
I think they should actually start making borders different colors other than black, maybe to reflect what realm they are from for storyline purposes or what expansion cycle they are from
Zachary Kelly
Red green breach is probably the best choice because you can add to it over time to make it a scapeshift deck. Eldrazi tron wouldnt be bad either, and you could upgrade it to mono blue tron if you want a skill intensive deck.
Parker James
I'd like this if the lore wasn't pure shit, and now with the gatewatch it's only going to get worse unless they pull off an Evangelion ending or some shit that catches everyone off guard
Elijah Wright
Second Sunrise because I want to see eggs become a deck again.
Preordain because storm needs a buff and other combo decks could use better cantrip.
Summer Bloom because Amulet Bloom isn't consistent enough to deserve a ban.
Jonathan Foster
Ad Nauseam is a harder deck to play than it looks. You need to know how to play around hate, how to scry correctly, the large number of interactions between cards in your deck, and how to not lose to your own spoils of the vault.
Christopher Garcia
RG Breach has a good manabase that will last you in Modern.
Ad Nauseam will get you wins but it is a combo deck, not a lot of interaction or swinging (I.E. none at all)
Eldrazitron isn't great but there are a lot of Tron variants (not that tron manabase is expensive at all).
All are good choices but I'd personally go for RG Breach since my meta is 80% tron.
Liam Nguyen
I'd really love storm to be a deck again. I always love the puzzle combo decks
Unbanning Seething Song or Rite of Flame would just enable more "lol breach you" memery though. Preordain would also buff Nahiri further and I don't want to see snap get banned
Angel Sanchez
Punishing Fire, Preordain ,BBE
Oliver Brown
how does Phyrexian Unlife not kill you in Ad Nauseam?
Matthew Lewis
Life loss =! damage
Adam Reyes
>=!
=/= only correct answer
Zachary Flores
>Small tournament in my town >First time playing against good people, nervous as fuck >Playing Jeskai control >Buff the shit out my stitchers >Swing for like 40 >Opponent playing Ad Nauseam casts Angel's Grace >Oh shit >Concede >Later realize I would've left him at 1 life still and could have killed him with a bolt next turn
Ian Gomez
Usually if your force them to cast angel's grace in combat to survive you are winning as they either have to combo off immediately after or find a replacement combo piece next turn which they usually dont
Isaac Jones
Combo is SUPPOSED to wreck aggro(which is pretty much all t2+ decks). I hope you can see what's happened since it's ban. Combo is practically non existent, and the meta is over 60% aggro.
Brandon Turner
Splinter twin wasn't much of a combo deck desu. It was basically ur control with an oops I win spell.
Lincoln Phillips
memories of first big events are always painful
>first GP >playing merfolk >put a die on my deck to not forget the vial trigger >opponent passes >pick up my die >draw the card >put the die back on top >vial still at zero, can't even pretend I intended to do that >ends up costing me the game
Brandon Garcia
I once fucked up an eggs match 15 minutes into the combo
still haunts me
Cameron Ross
Veeky Forums told me it was bad, still, I knew it was very good. But I didn't get any because I just don't have the molah.
The only thing I regret is not making profit when I knew I could, because I wasn't about to shell out for Snapcasters and etc.
On another news, I like this picture. Makes her look wrathful and evil, exactly how she is.
Alexander Martinez
I love Nahiri as a character. She's the prettiest Hitler ever
Elijah Rodriguez
Blazing shoal, bloodbraid elf, and deathrite shaman. Guess which decks I play.
Aaron Martinez
>In roughly one hour, the banlist update will be released
d-did I miss it?
Carter Edwards
no changes for any format
Bentley Parker
...
Zachary Wright
Esper control is good but it's weak to burn and aggro, so it does not have a good match up against 30% of tier 1 decks. Also it has to compete against jeskai Nahiri, that has better match ups against tier 1 decks. Overall tron nerf favored control but we need either counterspell or top unban, or sfm unban
Isaiah Green
Wait 'till creative pulls a Nissa on us.
Cameron Carter
If they don't have anything to ban, they should at least unban something, just for the sake of it. Such dissappointment much rage wow
James Green
Kamigawa had some fucking nice art.
Nathan Moore
>I hate blood moon and tron Grow up some balls kiddo
Charles Gomez
Damn Right, all hail azami's familiar
Gavin Clark
Is there any reason shouldn't just buy my first Modern deck on MTGO?
Tons of games, whenever I want, the ability to pay for more decks with the tickets you earn, and I don't have to smell the guy across from me.
Anyone here strictly online? I would love real cards but I work nights and don't see myself able to do many TCG nights. I also have a family.
What is a good cheap deck ONLINE that can get me hella wins on the cheap?
Dredge?
Liam Reed
Hey y'all,
Criticism for my shit brew? Not looking for tier 1, but I'd like to win a few matches. Suggestions? Sideboard advise to give me some better matchups? I just really want to believe in defenders.
dealing with arrogant wankers is part of the price of MTG, MTGO ignores that price and its disgusting
Jayden Jackson
Give me your cockatrice ID, whiteboy. I'll show you the power of esper draw-go
Carson Collins
post list please
Adrian Hernandez
Feedback on my budget dragonauts list? I'd like to be able to afford something fun, and being a college student, i don't have too much dosh.
The only three cards I really want to keep no matter what are chandra, wee dragonauts, and izzet charm. Feel free to rip me a new asshole if the deck is absolute shit, but keep in mind that I just wanna use this for kitchen table magic and casual FNM.
Who's your favorite modern-playable planeswalker, Veeky Forums?
Mine's Liliana of The Veil. She's cute. CUTE.
What about you?
Connor Hall
I play pretty much just MTGO at this point having sold most of my paper collection, and yeah I'd say Dredge is a good bet.
Though, you are more likely to run into hate than in a local metagame since it's a relatively popular deck. If you just care about winning; Jerkass Nahiri or Jund are obviously good bets. I don't like Infect as much since everyone is ready for it at all times.
Nicholas Garcia
It's wafo's list with a non retarded manabase and 2x spellsnare, cba to post it.
Blake Jenkins
I only play online, have Grixis Delver, RG Breach, and UWb Polytokens for fun
Ian Richardson
Planeswalkers who lend themselves to one specific strategy will always be more interesting than goodstuff walkers.
Leo Russell
I think you should use Darksteel Ravager art instead of the MM one.
holy shit I used to play this here's the list (got it off here from a guy I think)
Noah Ramirez
I like White Sun's Zenith here
Nathan Wood
Absolutely autistic UW control spergs should all die
Jace Torres
Make a room labeled "Competitive" and allow spectators. You should get a few spectators.
Cooper Hall
While it is fundamentally the same deck, that version (with WSZ and all the Spell Snares) is based on a list Wafo played at GP Boston in 2014.
Jayden Flores
Its both defensive (triple blocks kill basically everything in the format) and offensive , can occasionally take out a nahiri and it's a recurring wincon
Julian Miller
spell snare is so good though, might just be my meta though. Goyfs bobs and eidolons errywhere
Charles King
Wafo running only 1 spellsnare in his current list is a mistake, as is running only 3 colonnades and so much black mana.
Isaiah Allen
maybe he has had a run of bad luck mana wise , it happens occasionally , like wanting to cast esper charm on turn 3 or 4 but no black , not often though
Matthew Young
Depends on your meta.
Ad Nauseam if there's a lack of Infect and Jund or an overabundance of Tron or Valakut decks.
RG Breach/Shift if there's more Jund, Jeskai, and Grixis.
Living End if no one else in your meta plays it or Dredge. That way you can dodge hate.
Xavier Reyes
I'm forcing it, viable or not. It's fun and has a ton of lines of play, I haven't got bored yet. I was thinking about jamming 2-3 Wildfire in with all the artifact mana I have and I thought it would be fun, but not sure if 6 mana sorceries are where I want to be in Modern however fun it would be.
Jayden Taylor
>playing some esper draw-go on cocka >2-0 against jund >2-0 against uwr nahiri >2-0 against living end
Lucas Torres
Fuck off and go win a GP then.
Jackson Foster
>esper counted as UW control
Parker Rogers
>Cockatrice
Grayson Miller
Secure the wastes does the same job better because of the lessened white requirement. It lets the card be more flexible, if he has nothing else to do he can always just eot secure for a few tokens and catch up. He's even able to play 2 copies, where white sun is always a 1 of and a dead card when you aren't winning the game.