Tfw the jet is more nervous about the upcoming sortie then you are

basically you'd have a "repair slurry" tank they'd be hooked up to for regular maintainance and repairs, but you'd also hook some of the fleet of planes up to the repair tanks when they're not in use, and they'd dissolve and rebuild chunks of their air frame to pre-empt long term fractures or flaws and extend their service life indefinately.

Real trouble then is what happens when a new plane is produced, without guaranteed fixed service lifespans due to strutural issues you'd eventually have to just abandon them in some desert, and they'll stick their repair nozzle out for the repair tanks and the little "ready for maintanence" light will flash until their batteries finally run dry and all their lights go out with them never understanding why the crews never hook them up.

>Real trouble then is what happens when a new plane is produced, without guaranteed fixed service lifespans due to strutural issues you'd eventually have to just abandon them in some desert, and they'll stick their repair nozzle out for the repair tanks and the little "ready for maintanence" light will flash until their batteries finally run dry and all their lights go out with them never understanding why the crews never hook them up.
Ha ha, you thought you could make me cry, but I play Engine Heart. You were right about the crying, though.

If it simply has biological components, then it's just like a fuckin' Gekko from Metal Gear or whatever. A tank that utilises muscle fibers is going to be just as finicky as a real tank, just... wetter when its time for maintenance.

As far as the assumption everyone else is going on here, the idea that these vehicles are actually highly mechanically augmented artificial organisms, I can't imagine anyone would ever risk designing one with human-like intelligence. And if they did, the entire point would be to eliminate human pilots.

Any weapon that gets paired with a human user is going to have the abstract reasoning and emotional intelligence of a fairly smart dog, really. They'd beat you any day at their specialisations, in say, spatial awareness, material analysis, equivalent force systems. But their overall ability to reason isn't going to exceed 'loyal pet'.

In which case, I suppose the usual notions of respect for animals apply. Don't be a dick, don't conduct maneuvers you know damage or hurt it when they aren't a necessity to survive, give it plenty of attention so it isn't lonely (This would actually be a huge one. Pretty much any man-made weapon in all history has spent 99%+ of its time out of use. For an animal intelligence based on most shit we know of, leaving them alone all that time would crippling, and even assuming that we let them talk to their fellow plane-beings in the hangars over the wifi, its unlikely they'd be allowed to move around much. Making sure you give them regular companionship and play would be an essential service for your partner in war.

We only use male planes. No pesky maternal instinct double homicide crap. Just like K-9 Unit's.

GO LONG BOY!
>preps Tennisball tipped RPG

But are there traps?

>Repair slurry

Never thought I'd see the day when "jam a repair pack in them" is actually an argument.

No? At most you'll get neutered planes.

Making it have human like intelligence would be useful, it completely eliminates the use of a pilot.
The human body is the most limiting factor when it comes to fighter planes.
Just make sure to design it with a lot of loyalty and honour, also put in a hibernation mode or simulation for training during peace times.

Then what's the point?

I don't see why you would treat it differently from a machine.
If it is just parts and no intelligence there's no difference.
If there is an artificial biological intelligence, it's the same as a "standard" AI.
Rationally thee is no difference

>It would also be cheaper to 'breed' planes rather than build them from scratch
ORLY? Did you count how much food a plane-sized animal might consume?
>and repairing them would be simpler.
That's why doctorin' is a more difficult profession than mechanismin'?

The point is to win wars, not write your hentai doujins.

What website are you on, user?

>ORLY? Did you count how much food a plane-sized animal might consume?

The metabolism of animals tends to decrease as size increases, so while they require more food per pound, they also use it infinitely more efficiently than a smaller animal.

And most of that energy is used for locomotion, while a plane is presumably using jet fuel for locomotion, so it's got a metabolic need equivalent to something permenantly immobile.

So you charge its battery when it's jets aren't able to charge them itself, it's equivalent of a heart for pumping repair juice, sealant and lubricants is a low power series of fans, it's pseudo-musculature is all in its wings and its wheels' shock absorbers and steering system, and the highest power requiring thing on it would be is sensor suite.

You've gotta understand that jet fuel has a ridiculous caloric content.

Just started a campaign where there'll be biotech space ships and stuff. I am keen

There were threads with stuff like bio power armour and the like awhile ago, they were cool and also creepy.

Not Ex-hentai, that's for sure.

Being a sentient living bomb is suffering.
If you don't do your job you get court-martialed.
If you desert you get court-martialed.
If you do your job you get buried with honors.
>I only want to live!

Why the hell would you make living bombs?

>so you admit that you have no real proof of the existence of the outside universe!

>Just make sure to design it with a lot of loyalty and honour

That's how you get AIr-plane juntas.

Make more sense for plane intelligences to be transferrable between units so you don't get F-22s going rambo to avoid obsolescence.

Depends on if it's sentient or not. If it is sentient then I would hope they're immune to things like PTSD or other disorders. If they weren't and could develop psychological disorders (or would be nervous about battle) I would demand the creator explain themselves. Creating living weapons that don't want to die and/or can develop disorders from doing the thing they were created to do is either sadistic or just retarded.

If they weren't sentient, there's nothing to worry about. Either the living weapon can experience fear, in which case there is no reason to use it over weapons that can't, or it can't and as long as it performs well and doesn't cost obscene amounts of money or resources to operate, there's no reason not to use it.

How do you court-martial a living bomb? They have a way to appeal the verdict that's very hard to ignore.

You still need a pilot, it's just that his job isn't to pilot the plane, but to act as a sort of shoulder-angel for the plane. Advise caution, urge restraint, remind them of the mission objectives.

I know it's not a "living machine" but Stealth was a funny movie about the implications of having a rampant/ascendant AI run military gear

turns out that being an immature dipshit who listens to too much alt-rock is not limited to humanity

>infinitely more
you're literally wrong and it's just the square-cube law (which isn't even really a "law", just basic acknowledgement that x^3 rises faster than x^2 and x^1) interfacing with the fact that objects necessarily lose heat through their surfaces so big things retain heat better than small things

a bigger animal isn't necessarily more efficient than a smaller one, and in fact, many small animals are INCREDIBLY efficient (to the point of being able to recycle their poop) while larger ones don't have as much evolutionary pressure to have a high-efficiency metabolism

>ITT: folk what haven't read or seen Yukikaze
Seriously, this whole premise is literally the core concept of the novel.

Well now that this single persons viewpoint has been covered I guess there's no reason to ever discuss it again.

At risk of derailing thread, look at how much the US has spent on their SCRAPPED/REJECTED plane projects alone.

Also, a human sized animal needs 800 calories per day to survive, and ~3500 to maintain peak athletic performance. Disregarding that larger animals are more metabolically efficient, light fighters (like the F-5) weigh ~7000kg loaded. Average human weighs 62kg. That's 113 people without rounding, so some 400,000 calories let's call it.

Fat based products generally tend to be most dollar efficient per calorie. Tallow is about 9000 calories per dollar. So $400 a day, not accounting for the government getting discounted rates for bulk purchasing.

Not really expensive, all things considered.

If you actually produced and fed them a soylent-style nutrient slurry, cost could easily be $300 a day for optimal nutrition.

>Watch Evangelion

Really I more meant that post as kind of a recommendation.

Basically make the Slider Drone from the Metal Gear series except it's big enough to be a jet fighter.

The only important component that has to be organic or semi organic would be the animal like brain that goes in it which during downtimes can be kept in a VR simulation where it regularly goes out on missions even if the body is mothballed.

I'd hate to imagine what a bio mechanical beast with the brain of a dog and a hawk/falcon would do if suddenly left to it's own devices with the ability to move it's body in ways jets normally wouldn't (i.e. being able to crane it's next where the pilot sits as well as move around on the haunches of its' wings and rudimentary back legs)

I suppose it would be an embarrassing moment if the pilot is killed mid flight and the plane went into some kind of feral mode resulting in having to hunt it down.

...

>/k/ learns that they can buy obsolete bio-planes on the civilian market

>implying the love between a man and a plane is sexual in nature
Four loves, bro.
Four loves.
A plane is a partner, but it's not romantic or sexual. It's more like, a really close friendship, or maybe twins (I wouldn't know, I never had a twin).

>no company will ever start making modern reproductions of the classic warbirds
>you will never be able to buy a brand new P-40 Warhawk for your very own
Feels bad, man.

on /k/ it is

That's because /k/ is full of underageb& nogunz and noplanez.

I now have the mental image of old warplanes ejecting their pilots and broadcasting "Long live the president!" as they ram their target instead of bombing it.

>This looks like end comrad, my engines are badly damage and damage to extensive for nanos

>Then we die fighting together

>nyet, you live to guide another plane into combat, this old warrior will see you one day on the other side.

>What!? NO!-- *ejected*

*tear*

I know /k/ has some feel pics of old soldiers crying and I was reminded of the one where an old russian tanker drops his cane and falls to his knees crying in front of the tank he used to ride in.

Now I can't help but imagine a war museum with the "corpses" of old living weapons on display.

>you will never have a plane who is her own noseart
>you will never tickle her during routine maintenance
>she will never blush furiously when you have to open her paneling
>she will never shamelessly flare her engines for you to admire whenever you walk past
>you will never tenderly make love to her before flying into battle against impossible odds

>nyet, you live to guide another plane into combat, this old warrior will see you one day on the other side.
How many settings allow AI into the afterlife?

Yukikaze was best girl

...They're allowed in mine, now ;_;

How can you be sure an organic being has any more right to have an afterlife than an AI?

>Airbase gets decommissioned or a war is lost and and the base gets overlooked by the occupiers.
>Planes go feral
You will never see a flock of interceptors roosting against a mountain side like modern wyverns

Well it being an "afterlife" implies that it exists so something can live on, you know, after life. Otherwise what's the point? It would just be a divine realm for the gods or something.

Transformers had an idea like that, where the Decepticons turned deserters into living smart bombs as a form of execution.

Not sure what you meant, but the afterlife is a religious/philosophical concept. It's not much of a stretch to extend it to encompass artificial life. If an AI could be said to be alive, then it would technically be eligible for an afterlife.

I misunderstood what you meant, I thought you were saying that organic life has no right to an afterlife. My apologies.

>war ends, political upheaval, massive military budget cutbacks, its no longer economical to maintain a sizable active airforce
>planes are supposed to be "deactivated" but every pilot/crewman etc coincidentally forgets to lock up after their final flight
>a couple hundred sentient aircraft of various types scatter into the wilderness
>most of their pilots and some crew go with them
>have to take to raiding military storage sites for jetfuel to keep them in the air

You moron, there are female K9 units.

>you will never travel the world's seas with your very own loli shipfu

>This whole thread would make an amazing Ace Combat plot.
>Someone call Namdai
>post yfw you have to take down a biomechanical drone fighter that just wan'ts to avoid being put down

There is no salvation for a mind that cannot be saved.

>anime about boy who obtains secret military plane who has the personality of a little girl and just wants to be human and the military tries to hunt her down
This is totally a viable idea.

>Shoot down enemy biomechanical drone
>it cries and screams
>Chunky gore explodes everywhere and your plane's cockpit canopy is coated in blood

Maybe some writefaggotry is in order

I've been playing this kind of character for ages in TTRPGs. Griffons and other semi-intelligent flying mounts are the best.

Yes please. I love having my heart ripped out.

Soon

Our current planes run on AVgas, which is one of the most calorically dense fuels, at about 7800 k/cal per liter. A plane-size animal will consume (depending on their activity level) around 6780 L for around 3200 km of distance traveled (obviously, fuel economy is reduced tremendously by using afterburners, flying supersonic, evasive maneuvers, or carrying external payload). My rough numbers were gathered based on fuel economy of F-18, no data gathered for fuel economy while loaded, just assuming it will be roughly 3/4 it's normal range, depending on activity.

I wouldn't want to feed them food, as it is not calorically efficient compared to AVgas. By "feeding" them in the traditional sense, you are wasting precious cargo space, flight range, and carrying capacity.

I don't have to explain shit.

R type final had a bunch of bio ships with lore behind them.
One of them drove pilots to insanity with bio feedback.

>>I only want to live!
Here's a mistake.
Bomb must want to die and murder.

Some of the old planes could be kept as trainers. It makes sense to have the most experienced planes teach the newest pilots.

youtube.com/watch?v=EKt_zQHQ-0k

ONE of them?
Sexy Dynamite 2's "J-Zyme" neural catalyst has "still unclear" effects on human psychology (it's bydo LCL jello that puts you in direct interface with the ship).

The Digitalius A and A2:
>The armor requires a continous supply of nutrient solution or it will shrivel and become ineffective. Incidentally, the nutrient solution has a powerful narcotic effect on humans.
>"oh by the way" they says...

The B-1C3 Amphibian III
>Compared to the B-1C2, a 20% gain in repair speed and a 35% gain in efficiency were achieved, but it was unpopular with pilots as it totally drained their energy. Dead pilots cannot be regenerated.

Bydo-System Series:
>The physical effect of interfacing and psychological impact of the appearance were concerns.
That's the Beta... But they went ahead with it anyways. Gamma:
>The last unit in the B-1D series. Attempts to raise the Bydo coefficient were ceased when effects on pilots could not minimized.
By the way, that a Bydo-System Alpha is what you get transformed into by a Nomemayer's pollen touching your ship, making you the culprit you're originally after....

If you want non-bydo ships; Anything with a "test-tube" cockpit was built that way because they could just snap the cockpit out to hot-swap a new pilot because that series systems drain psychics to complete exhaustion.
And then we built the fucking Illusion Wave Cannon... Keep in mind wave-cannons put out planet-buster levels of energy here;
>The Cyber Connector mental control interface has been greatly improved. Not only brain waves, but life energy of the pilot is converted into Wave energy. It is said that the Wave Cannon emissions are the nightmares that the pilot is experiencing.

Even the Ragnarok has some... tissue. Look careful at the pic...
And the Cerberus had too high a bydo coefficient and too weak a wave-cannon to escape the dimension in Delta...

>but it's not romantic or sexual
For you perhaps

It's pretty much the central theme of our game.
Doing one with planes next would be welcome.

Are you doing this? Because I wouldn't mind having a crack at it.

Green Text or paste bin?

'Well we finally got him, we got enough fuel to rtb?' Her pilot asked her.

'We sure do boss!' The chirpy f16 replied after running the numbers, she hadn't been around enough to know instinctively yet.

This was their first "milkrun" as her pilot called it. An easy mission to get them comfortable with each other. It hadnt been easy though. Two MIGs had come out of the sun and a missile had ended her sister in a ball of flame and debris. But her pilot was an ace, he had been flying since before her airframe was laid down.

He was her first pilot but she wasn't his first plane. From what he had told her her sister had forcefully ejected him after they took a hit from ground fire. She had burnt up but he had manage to get back to base safely.

It took another 15 minutes for them to come into visual range of the airbase. He had been steadily letting her take more and more control "just in case" he kept saying.

'Alright I need you to take us in.' He said quietly as he let his hands slip off the controls.

'But sir protocol says that a planes pilot should always guide her in.' She responded, suddenly concerned. She had taken a couple of hits what if she messed up.

'Listen to me kid. You have a long road ahead of you. Sometimes these things happen.' With a note of finality his head drooped over his chest.

'Sir? SIR?! WAKE UP!' She screamed into his helmet, but he didnt react.

When they pulled him out they found over a dozen pieces of shrapnel throughout his body. How he stayed alive long enough to get her to the airbase stunned the medics.

The little plane cried as they pulled him out. She cried when they hosed down her insides. When she recieved a new pilot, fresh from the academy her tears were gone. She would keep him safe. And kill anything that dared to hurt him.

These are war machines bred for annihilation. Making them sentient is just about the worst possible option.

Also, Attack Pack.

>Dire Machines
Please no.

...Fuck.

...I guess that's an issue with certain craft like most fighters, but a C-130 could be retired and live the rest of its life as a cargo plane or passenger plane if needed.

Dammit now I'm picturing a "retired" SR71 Blackbird with the personality of Jetfire
youtube.com/watch?v=aLlhKRhcL64

>She would keep him safe. And kill anything that dared to hurt him.

And that my friends is how you get a Yandere Bio-plane.

that kind of job could be done remotely. These bio-planes would essentially be smarter more adaptable drones. Not having the limitations of having a human on board would give you an edge in any conflict.

The reason for having a human on board the Bioplanes is because flying alone is, quite frankly, rather dull.

That seems like a terrible deal. Every manuever the plane would pull it would have to make sure didn't kill the pilot. It'd just be easier if flight control officers weren't born with adamantium sticks up their asses or we purposefully hired engaging talkers to fill up blank air just for them.

I want them to tune into conservative radio
Imagine

youtube.com/watch?v=kpkzptvDpDY

Plzno. We have to trust these things with weapons! Think of the children!

It'd have to be in the 3 period of the timeline.
And really, I just want a proper, non-butchered english release of AC3.
Actually, an HD remake of AC3 would be pretty cool. You could actually get the feeling of a CoFFIn system with a VR headset.

the yandere bio-plane is the one who kills its pilot in a hard maneuver but can't face up to that so never lets anyone remove the body, continually flying its missions alone with a corpse in its cockpit.

...

I'm imagining some kind of virtual space where the planes AI is allowed to mingle when it's body is currently being worked on or in storage. So you have AIs that have been in combat and are expereinced trying to consul or teach the younger ones.

"How do you handle it Boss Hog?"

"Handle what Cloud Fang?"

"You know...Losing your pilot..."

"Oh dear, so that was you they were talking about huh?"

"...."

"Look, I'm just going to tell it to you straight cus fuck if I know any round about way of doing but shit like that's going to happen you know?"

"But my pilot died! They..They died and I couldn't do anything to help them..."

"That's just the way it is some times. The humans go up there with us fully knowing that they can bite it just as we can. And if it helps at all all Captain Stafford could do was praise you for how well you handled yourself even with your body as damaged as it was. You got him home at least.."

It can be the best option as well, dependent entirely on how intelligent and how potentially emancipated they are.

The biggest danger are the feral "animal" level ones with all the cunning needed to maximize their capabilities but without any of the annoying complex thought processes that lead to
>"hey none of these are chemical factories, that's a fucking daycare, what the FUCK"

The tough part about the really smart ones is that you're going to have to raise them right. And they may or may not be much more difficult (what with the potential to just crosscheck everything you tell them with various databases or their own logs) to brainwash into good little soldiers.

However, being fully sapient (and not hardcoded by both genetic engineering and literal fucking black magic to be completely incapable of any positive or non-horrific thoughts) could prevent being 'bred for annihilation' from turning into a Bydo situation, and may cause little to no existential crisis if everyone's honest with them from the start and lets them find ways to apply their existence in other ways in peacetime, even if it's just somewhat less cost-effective asteroid-busting or crop-dusting.

Why does it need to be saved in the first place?