Pathfinder General /pfg/

How maximal armor are we talking?

A question to everyone, have you ever tried to make your own class? What was it and what were you trying to accomplish with it?

Is masterwork studded leather enough? I tend to grab that on people who aren't proficient.

How do I include the sort of player who spends his time being contrarian?

>Party goes on a capture and question mission
>Player wants to go brood at tavern instead
>Party goes to big city
>Player wants to stay behind to build a mansion
>Party has a meeting with king
>Player wants to try to secretly murder the king

He's a good friend, but when it comes to RPG, he refuses to ever want to do the same things the party is doing.

As MAXIMUM ARMOR as you can manage.

I'm pondering a Henshin Hero with the Endurance Motif for MAXIMUM ARMOR, and then has motif baubles so he can swap to MAXIMUM SPEED or MAXIMUM STRENGTH.

"Ok, you fuck off to do something else. Roll a new character who'll want to join the others."

Back in 3.5 I swore by the mithral breastplate, but then Paizo nerfed mithral. Are breastplates still any good or am I better off with Darkleaf Leather Lamellar/Mithral Chain Shirts for people with light armor proficiency?

If he's a good friend, tell him to stop being a contrarian faggot and explain how he is ruining shit. If you can't do that, then kick him.

>For shield brace, the nodachi's the better nonreach weapon (And the better 2hander in general)
Fauchard is preddy good too.

Mithril breastplate is THE medium armor for everyone who wants armor but still wants to go fast.

What about slightly-less maximal armor? Is that okay too?

There's no difference in pronunciation between those words in English because in English dictionaries they are the same word. To distinguish them we have to deliberately mispronounce them by one easily missed vowel and they sound stupid when we do that.

Good to know. Tell me about heavy armor, then. Is Full Plate the go-to? What neat tricks can I do with it?

Well, if you'd like, I suppose.

Also, what's the best armor for gishes? Do we have an equivalent of a mithral twilight feycraft githcraft breastplate in PF? I heard something about a metal bodysuit but couldn't find it.

Well, as mentioned, you can nail the ACP down to zero with mithril, a steelbone frame, and either the comfort quality, the fusing quality (3pp), or having the Armor Expert trait.

That would be the Djezet Skin
d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/magic-armor/specific-magic-armor/djezet-skin

Depends on the "gish"

Magus gets heavy armor prof: so mithril breastplate.

A lot of others are stuck with worse options.

Show of hands anons. When you wear armor, do you prefer it to be fancy as fuck?

>Going to be playing a lockdown crusader in 3.5
>Feel dirty since it feels so cheesy but at the same time casters are a thing

eh, it's mixed feelings I guess

>keeps hand down
I guess I'm just boring. I prefer my armor like:

Or are you more of a utilitarian sort?

Good to know. Djezet skin seems good for wizards at least.

Thanks. That's pretty neat (on both counts)

You can get +11 base with piecemeal parts, although your ACP and max dex are going to suffer heavily. Also Bulette Rampage lets you add 1/2 your armor bonus to AC (+6 if you take Armor Focus) to damage you deal with Overruns.

Mithral Breastplates are still great, you need Medium Armor proficiency to use them but you otherwise treat them as light armor.

I'm similar, though I tend to go for shiny armor when I can. That one cantrip that mirror-polishes metal things is great for this.

Hellknight Plate is slightly better, but it's only -1 to armor check penalty. Otherwise Full Plate is the way to go.

Have this glorious fucker.

How would you stat him? All content allowed, 3.5/PF/3pp.

Hellknight Fullplate.

Really depends on the character.

> d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/m/mirror-polish

Sorry, a 1st-level spell. Why is this a 1st and not a cantrip? I want to make EVERYTHING SHINY dammit.

Functional is better, but spikes are fine.

Also, if you take the Hellknight PrC, you can roll around at full speed in hellknight plate.

That, plus smite chaos is a godsend for a martial, and the PrC can get you summoned devils.

I feel like I'd catch my arms on my cape if I wore that.

>Another Assiduous Gaze

DAMN SON. WANNA GET ME SOME OF THAT.

There really is no reason that's a 1st level spell rather than a cantrip. At very worst, it gives you a mirror to ward off a vampire, or to scry with - which is a ten gold value.

I'd ask your GM if they'll let you have it as a cantrip instead.

That is actually kinda kickass.

What's user's favorite armor special ability?

The ability to move in heavy armor without raping my speed, and at a reasonable cost.

OH WAIT THAT DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST GODDAMNIT PATHFINDER

I tend to play mages and just not upgrade my armor beyond getting someone to cast Magic Vestments on it with a prayer bead later down the line, so I'm curious.

>user asks if anyone's tried making their own class
>I was in the process of sitting down to post about the class I made

FUNNY YOU SHOULD SAY THAT, user. I was just looking into the Stregone to make sure I had some wording set up properly, and to scratch my head over whether or not I cleaned up some hairy mechanics for one of the archetypes, not sure I pinned them down properly. Which people should totally go look at by the way, I hair a lot of you guys wanted something like it.
docs.google.com/document/d/1GVTXsAAdkxpLjQFfvYzuME3lVyuhAU2chxXrK46vlbA/edit?usp=sharing

For people too lazy to go look for the document containing archetypes: docs.google.com/document/d/1rstP70t2_Ljqk232Nhj_INWnIesqXTn5REnsT_0_Cpc/edit?usp=sharing

Initiating Archetype "Soon(tm)", just iffy on shit like what disciplines should be available, recovery mechanic, and whether or not it should just be "replace casting with initiating, rest unchanged" or something else entirely.

IT's almost like heavy armour weighs you down.

Yes it does. I literally just said the Hellknight PrC does that.

eh, there's a few tricks. Barbarian/Bloodrager with a dip in oracle for the Lame Curse can wear medium/heavy without speed reduction, and Lame's reduction is offset by fast movement. And, eventually Lame gives you fatigue immunity, for rage cycling.

It's not the best if you give a damn at all about ACP, and it's a bit pricey at +3, but I like Titanic.

It makes you the big fat armor man.

How much do you think the price would come down by if you scrap the 1/day Enlarge Person?

He wants to just throw money at it. Because money should invalidate everything.

Just get a source of haste and it'll be fine.

Except "heavy" armor was chainmail, and actual plate armor was often lighter.

Its just much more difficult to make.

But realism =/= good mechanics, so w/ever.

I said at a reasonable cost, user. PrCs are typically pretty shit. Even the fucking Fighter doesn't get an ability for it.

That's pretty great. I'd peg it as a +2 myself.

Anyway anons. Do you give your mounts and animal companions armor? What's the best for that? I would think leather, mwk studded leather, or a mithral shirt, because most of them aren't proficient.

Boots of haste. 12k for free haste 10 rounds a day. Free action to activate too, so its amazing on the action economy.

Armor Training nets you full movespeed in medium at 3rd and in heavy at 7th, actually.
>In addition, a fighter can also move at his normal speed while wearing medium armor. At 7th level, a fighter can move at his normal speed while wearing heavy armor.

So, you don't want the PrC that RAW gives you the suit for free, lets you run around at full speed while wearing it, gives a variety of other bonuses while wearing it, gives you smite chaos, and the ability to summon devils?

I'd say that's a pretty fucking good deal for a martial PrC.

Also, what said.

Well, at least compared to all other heavy armors, full plate is still the most maneuverable, besides field plate.

Well, it ties with other things for the best at least.

>Fighter can't move at full speed in Heavy
U wot m8

>gives you the suit for free
It doesn't. however, the full-speed move is only a two-level dip.

So is there like three /pfg/'s now? one non-anime, one anime, and one fetish?

Four, actually. Non-anime, anime, fetish, and murderhobo.

And we're all going to wither and die.

Murderhobo hit bump limit.

I thought murder hobo became this thread and the awoo thread?

I hope not. Awoo and this one are fine. the fetish child porn one can go burn though.

>That "tg" group in roll20 that cant keep a player to save their lives
>Starts reign of winter
>Nobody joins
>Starts another campaign
I'm not making this shit up

what do you expect?

a quality group?

Pretty sure you could get this with the right combination of stuff from Armor Master's Handbook even if you're not a fighter

>child
>porn
She's 18 years old and wearing clothes. Unless you're claiming pregnant women are automatically pornography and unborn babies count as children for this purpose.

I'll give you fetish, though. That shit does not belong in a Veeky Forums thread.

Clothes don't count if they're see-through.

She's a fictional character who has no actual age. Both the color and form of her nipples were visible. In most US states whether or not she is a sexually provocative depiction of a minor is left to the jury and judge to decide, regardless of what her creator says her "actual" age is. Same in a lot of Canadian provinces.

Ok so aside from feats, stats and traits, what items can I get to boost my spell DCs and SR checks?

For SR I'm strongly considering an otherworldly kimono as soon as I can afford it. Orange ioun stones are prohibitively expensive for its meager effect.

Well, if you're a sorcerer, strongly consider picking up one or more of the bloodline mutations.

See: I was right about to ask someone to post that page, I didn't have it saved

If you're focusing on enchantment spells, Kitsune are unfortunately the best ones for getting PHAT ENCHANTMENT DC's via their FCB, but that's only if you play Sorcerer. I highly suggest refluffing the race to not be furshit if you do that.

Just make them cute girls with fox fangs and ears, as well as a fluffy tail.
That's infinity times better than Augunas-kitsune.

Well it's not like he MADE them, user.

Question: who's more at fault? Augunas or Blackmon?

Make the Fox Form feat a free 1st level bonus feat with no prereqs and I'm sold, user. Make their Dancing Lights SLA an at-will and change main type to Fey and I will throw money at you.

Assuming no 3rd Party, what would make for relatively effective no-magic builds / classes, assuming predominantly humanoid enemies? At the moment I was looking at a Lore Warden Fighter with the UMD trait, probably Dex-based and taking the Trip feats.

Mithral Shirt, +1
>+5 AC. +0 ACP. +6 Max DEX. 10% Spell Failure. Weight, 10 lbs.

Chain Shirt, Mithral, +1
>+5 AC. +0 ACP. +6 Max DEX. 10% Spell Failure.

>Weight. 12.5 lbs.

Is there any way to pull off something similar to the oradin without actually needing to adhere to the paladin's code of conduct?

You could also MAYBE try to do Unchained Summoner with VMC Oracle (Life), since an 8th level
Agathian Eidolon can Lay on Hands, but that's iffy.

There's a 3pp curse that gives you Lay On Hands as though you were a paladin of equal level.

If DSP Psionics is open, play a Vitalist.

Both.

what are the strengths of the oradin?
also,
>If you would like assistance with character optimization, please mention which third-party sources are allowed.

So here's what I'm thinking.

Grey Paladin MIGHT be what you're after, since I don't think that touches LoH, and they have a more loose set of restrictions.

Alternatively, an Insinuator Antipaladin might do, since they cash out their touch of corruption for a swift self-heal, which you could redirect to someone else.

Oh neat, the OP image is the art my current character is using.

What'cha playin', user?

Healing the rest of your team passively through the Life Oracle's Life Link, while healing yourself with swift action lay on hands.

This lets you be a healbot while still having standard actions to do your own things, rather than spending every turn casting Cure X Wounds.

He's a half-orc Fated Champion Skald who wants to bring prophecy back after Aroden died. So far I'm not sure what subplot my GM is cooking up for him but I'm apparently going to get to be a major player in Golarion. Right now I'm suspecting he'll pull some Madoka type shit where I sacrifice myself to make prophecies come true or something.

Rename genies to elementargeist/er. Genie/djinni are the same word referring to air elementargeister. Janni is pronounced with an Indian j or "zhanni".

Rename daemons to dementors. Change their suffix to -dement but pronounced like demon (the t is silent).

They can't be /pfg/ goers either because I don't even think they allow the fucking hybrid classes.

even ignoring that /pfg/ hasn't displayed a strong stance on hybrid classes lately, and that the anonymous waves shift frequently...
that's fucked up

Anyone got character art for a spiked chain fighter in full plate?

This has always been my issue with the 3.5/PF design for heavier armors. If someone wanted to buy the armor prof feats for whatever reason (let's say they started with light) would have to spend 2 feats to get to heavy armor. Effectively, assuming we're going from chain shirt to full plate, they're paying 2 feats to gain 5 AC, lose 10 foot of movement per round (more if they're running), get an additional -4 armor check pen and have to pay 1400 additional gp for the privilege of getting this.

I'm all for heavy armor feeling more unwieldy but I've always felt the speed penalties were too much. I've never really liked 3.5/PFs system for armor in general though.

Unless they're a fighter or a paladin...yknow, the kinds of classes that typically use that kind of armour...

"NO, I WANNA BE A ROGUE WITH HELLKNIGHT PLATE! WHAT, WHY CAN'T I SNEAK WELL IN HELLKNIGHT PLATE? THIS GAME IS DUMB!"

Hybrid classes are fun.

Save me from the shipping anxiety, user. What will I be able to do with a Leap Motion controller?