Orks vs Tyranids

Well GW's official stance on the matter,
>lol no idea
Source: Octarius war

Personally I'd give the tyranids a slight edge, sincs they can consume raw resources and turn it into more creatures. Meanwhile orks need at least sheet metal to make their shanty town tier technology to work.

Tyranorks.

Then
Tzeentch Trips speak the "truth".

Kryptman, please stay.

ork hibrids don't reproduce, only the first infected.

Orks would win
>tyranid eat ork
>ork gene make tyranid orky
>tyranid is ork
I fink dat u unorky zogging git
>tyranid ork kill non-ork tyranids from within
wagh within, wagh without.

Weren't squigs a type of tyranid back in the day?

>hivemind flooded with images of orkyness
>hivemind reincarnates as gork or mork

Yeah, originally. Pretty sure that's been retconned away though.

>However, Ork spores would be leftover. Since Tyranids aren't known for going back to planets they've depleted, the Orks would be able to build up their forces in """"peace"""" until they reach WAAAGH levels. The Ork WAAAGH would catch up to the Tyranid horde and take them in the rear, a completely unexpected move since the Nids would't expect anything to be left.

Tyranids take the fucking atmosphere, every drop of water, every single shred of biomass and leave only a barren dead world behind.

There wouldn't be any orks left, assuming they at the very least need air to reproduce.

>squigs
>squats
>sq
if your name starts with sq you are fucked

>define biomass
oh boyz 'ere we gooooooooooo

Squigs are still around.

Zoats, though, they're gone.

Both. Orks get to fight to the death and the tyranids love the biomass.

>The Imperium has encountered Orks and their kind living -- even prospering -- in such extreme environments as toxic Death Worlds, newborn planets still heaving with volcanic activity, or the depressurised carcasses of abandoned orbital platforms. Ork hordes have been found inhabiting drifting ice floes, or infesting irradiated asteroid fields perilously close to active stars. They have been discovered amid corrosive chemical swamps, on lightless nightmare worlds seething with horrific predators, even in the bombed-out remains of planets subjected to Exterminatus. It is rumoured amid the Imperium's Rogue Traders that there are even Ork enclaves hidden within the Eye of Terror itself, though most dismiss this as the ravings of madmen

40k Orks, Tyranids, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Imperium of Man, Tau and Chaos vs. War in heaven full strengh Necrons

Except the Orks were made for the sole reason of fighting the Nids so that would be the original reason why the Nids are running. Also this

Necrons still win.

Robofu 4 life.

Tau

See The orks don't need a atmosphere to breed

>or the depressurized carcasses of abandoned orbital platforms

>Except the Orks were made for the sole reason of fighting the Nids so that would be the original reason why the Nids are running.
That is completely wrong.

Great Crusade Pre-Heresy Imperium vs. War in Heaven Necrons

>?

They were made to fight the necrons you ninny.

dum git

Crons do doughnuts in the middle of the Emperor's lawn and no one can stop them.

Marneus Calgar and twenty good terminators vs War in Heaven Necrons + War in Heaven Eldar + War in Heaven Krork + All of the Tyranids

I think it honestly depends on the waagh/splinter fleet in question. There are really three possibilities:
1: Orks kill all the tyranids/the tyranids decide to change the course of the hive fleet. The orks will recover in a few years as they regrow from fungus. This is a total victory for the orks, although that might be hard to explain to the warboss who doesn't have any boyz now, depending on how close it came.
2: Tyranids eat all the Orks at a favorable rate of attrition, allowing them to make up for the biomass expended on the conflict and then some. This is a total win for the nids.
3: Tyranids eat all the Orks, but the orks kill too many nids for the nids to make a biomass profit out of the fight. This is a Pyrrhic victory for the nids.

Assuming the Dark Eldar are unified, and fully mobilized as a force, they can probably defeat the War in Heaven Necrons, since they are at the level of the Eldar Empire at its greatest height. Also, unlike the rest of the galaxy, the Dark Eldar have been doing research and creating new things. The only thing that gimps them is their constant back stabbing. Since they are working alongside the Imperiium in your hypothesis, it is only accpetable to assume that effectively every Kabal and Cult are in on this. Which would result in a thoroughly stomped Necron nation.

Wouldn't orks just spawn from the dead worlds the nids leave behind though?

Since they just leave a completely barren world, they don't actually destroy it, and orks only need something to grow on to live

So even if they lose, they win

to be fair fluff wise DE are some absolute serious shit to deal with.

Im saying that without the DE, no way the 40K team can do it. With the DE, and the DE not being excessively backstabby cunts, suddenly you have the orks and Imperium armed with darklight weapons, Top of the line aircraft etc.

Do you want the New Devourer.

Because this is how you get the New Devourer.

>Orks without Technorkigy can be a threat to Tyranids
More like Ork Biomass farm.

Orks reborn as Tyranids, some of which were rescued by their brethren while they were still in development. The rescued Squigs adapted to fulfil their various roles in Ork kultur, while the Tyranids refined their own Squigs and successfully removed their Orkiness.

Then Tyranid Squigs were replaced by Rippers and the whole thing was never mentioned again.

>implying tryanids who eat orks wouldn't become orky

>Not Kaldor Draigo,Marneus Calgar and twenty good babbyholders vs every xeno

>diluting the broth with non-ultramarine stock
absolutely not

The orks win
>nids eat the planet
>ork fungus infest the nids
>athletes foot with dakka

>implying the hybrids won't be organized by the Hive Mind.

>implying what we're arguing over isn't exactly what happened with the squigs

>implying those aren't feral Orks
>implying Tyranid origine Squigs haven't been retconned
>implying Squigs don't go over to the Tyranid side in the presence of leader bugs

*Feral Tyranids

...

The Great Crusade Pre-Heresy Imperium got fucked by the Squats. I say Necrons.

Don't think he would get off on that though since the nids are incapable of feeling anything and the Orks have their own gods of battle

What?

Pretty much, Orks don't care about Chaos much.
'Nids make it it extremely unpleasant for demons to be in the warp around.

I'd say both have the most fun in their existence, the battle zone evolves into some sort of holy land for the Orks and an Incubator for the Hive Mind.
From time to time a subforce leave the zone and is almost unstopable.

Cornfags BTFO

>'Nids
>running

Only implied in a single sub sentence in a older codex.

Got a screen cap of that one? Am curious about that

I don't know if Orks need an atmosphere to live, but I'm pretty sure the spores would be eaten.

Do we know that the great Gork and the stupid grot Mork aren't actually Khorne and Tzeentch?

Think about it, one is a brutal, powerful warrior god and the other is kinda cunning or something stupid, they could be the allmighty Khorne and that shitter Tzeentch

It's in both the previous and current one. Hardly "implied" though - it's just thrown out as a possibility.

5th edition:
>Whether the Tyranids made this perilous journey because they had already consumed everything of worth in their home galaxy or in flight of another, even more fearsome race, is unknown.

6th edition:
>Some have even speculated that the Tyranids are in flight from an even greater threat, be it a galactic disaster or another fearsome race, and have risked the nothingness between galaxies rather than face extinction.

How did the nids not starve to death on that long trip between galaxies? Especially since their FTL travel requires using the gravity wells from planets and stars IIRC

IDK, aren't the Ork gods successful? Corn and Tzatziki Sauce don't really have a good track record going

>How did the nids not starve to death on that long trip between galaxies? Especially since their FTL travel requires using the gravity wells from planets and stars IIRC
No larger gravity well than one from an entire galaxy

There's a shit ton of dead space between galaxies though

Their FTL could scale with the gravity well they're using. Planetary size, standard FTL speed; galaxy size, they go to plaid.

Maybe.

So are we all in agreement that nids are a deliberately engineered bioweapon?

Yeah no shit. Every Nid is engineered by the Hivemind to serve a purpose in battle and the collection of resources.

If you mean designed by some sort of higher power then themselves then no that's never been implied by anything in fluff.

I'm saying they were designed like the Orks were

It's actually in the old fluff. The Squat Crusades ended with the Emperor deciding "Fuck it" & allying rather than taking over the Squats. This is why the Squats are allowed so much free will compared to even the AdMech.

There's no evidence for that conclusion.

Realistically, I find it hard to believe a naturally evolving species can turn into modern Tyranids.

I like to think that there's one last Old One. They're pissed off about the state of the Milky Way and engineered the Tyranids to wipe that shit clean. Then the Tyranids ate the last Old One, and followed the instinctual drive to the Milky Way.

A nice long sleep and a good meal beforehand.

>Whatever the truth, for the Tyranids to have endured such an epic voyage must have required both the greatest of single-mindedness and unimaginable amounts of energy. During their aeons-long journey across the void the Tyranids have slumbered in a state of frozen hibernation. Now, the Tyranids are here, inveigling their way into the galaxy like a disease into a healthy body. They have awoken, they are hungry, and the survival of every living thing hangs in the balance.

>Whatever the truth, for the Tyranids to have endured such a voyage must have required utter single-mindedness and unimaginable energy. During their journey, the Tyranids slumbered in a state of frozen hibernation, but now they have arrived, they have awoken and they are hungry.

>Realistically, I find it hard to believe a naturally evolving species can turn into modern Tyranids.

That's what I'm getting at. They're too perfect of an organism IMO

Right, but that's purely my belief. There's no evidence to support it.

How does Games Workshop get off attempting to sue for some author using the term "Space Marine" in a book, yet thinks it's fine to have a character named Obi-Wan Sherlock Clousseau and blatantly rip off the Alien franchise?

>yet thinks it's fine to have a character named Obi-Wan Sherlock Clousseau
copyright law was less fucked in the 80's

>and blatantly rip off the Alien franchise?
same way blizzard gets off on blatantly ripping off everything

Because the current business owners who are sueing people for using "Space Marine" aren't at all the same business owners who took inspiration from those other franchises.

Because British copyright law, and not wanting to give a future party to infringement grounds to argue abrogation of IP.

'OO ZOGGIN GIT
GORK IZ KUNNIN' N' BRUTAL
MORK IZ BRUTAL N' KUNNIN'
OR IZ IT THA OTHA WAY 'ROUND?

But corporations are viewed as individuals in a court of law

I want to see what the nids are running from.
If they are running

Matt Ward

Both win. Orks get to fight plenty of enemies (and if they die it doesn't count) so they fulfill their win condition. Tyranids get plenty of biomass to eat as ork reproduction comes fron a self sustaining ecosystem, which fulfills their objectives.

Both races could be the only ones left in the galaxy and form a symbiotic relationship in fighting each other and getting eaten.

The New Devourer.

Not cannon faggot

Maybe that's the reason that most of what they consume in a planet seems to disappear. They're storing it for the next travel.

Don't care. Learn to spell.

nice ad hominem fagtron

>ad hominem
Not technically ad hominem, but you used one perfectly.

Ironic.

Yeah it was faggot.

Actually the orks develop a third god: 'ungry.
Synapse and Waaagh!!! fields combine to form some silly shenanigans.

Orkz

Because they'll never run out of enemies to fight.

You might think "Well, the orkz will eventually be overrun".

Possible. But just as likely will the krumpin' attract more orkz from other systems. The hive mind might block their ships from warping in. We all know the orkish mary sue tekknologee will find a way by sheer chance.

Orkz win. And they'll continue to win on that buginfested hellscape of a planet for as long as there are orkz in the universe.

they had better run

All dem full power C'tans

They survived because they went into stasis and they literally just have THAT much biomass, they've consumed entire galaxies, they take minerals, earth, water, air and all life.

They got a fucking huge supply

In the older fluff, the tyranids are naturally occurring. They became "aware" as a species and evolved at will etc... going from galaxy to galaxy consuming new DNA to sustain themselves and so on, theyre also described as being incredibly fucking old, however this was back in like 2nd edition or some shit and hasn't been mentioned since

Sqisters of Battle retcon when?

Judging from the way the current war is going, Nids.

Nids started snowballing so Eldar fuck bombed whole sectors to deny them biomass, Tyranids simmer down a bit. Then they start snowballing again and Ghazzy and his waaaagh show up and its evened out a bit now. Its only a matter of time before they get the upper hand again

Orks. Tyranids are powerful but they ultimately don't advance. The Nids don't have super weapons, they don't have giant mobile weaponized planets.

Orks, when fully unified in a war have fleets of Death Star weaponized moons armed with gravity weapons that rip apart planets and destroy fleets of ships.

They have Hive ships big enough to swallow small moons, with organs bigger than cities.

They have devoured MULTIPLE galaxies, they literally have an almost unending supply, decillion+ tonnes worth of biomass, when the main fleet arrives they will probably outnumbers 1000s to 1

They've probably arrived there on a spaceship and made a settlement there, repairing some parts of orbital platform. I doubt orks can survive in a no atmosphere environment.

That does nothing when the Orks flip a switch and rip the entire fleet apart with gravity waves, or start using planets as missiles. Again, Tyranids just don't have anything impressive when it comes to tech, all they've got is numbers. And when faced with technologically superior foes they tend to get their asses beaten. Plus Orks united will conquer everything in 40k per canon.