Proud warrior race

Veeky Forums - Television & Film

Last month there was a Trek thread of a few hundred posts where people were arguing about how good Romulan warbirds were vs every other ship.

Everyone had fun.

Relax a little.

But if we enforced it here, we would have the shut down the perpetual WoW threads.

Board police and generals are the cancer killing Veeky Forums

Most people who write scripts do not have even the faintest clue about tactics or strategies. Therefore in their stories the logical outcome, the inferior force being overwhelmed by superior numbers of superior combatants using superior tactics and strategies, does not happen. Have you noticed how all of the "brilliant strategies" vary between pants-on-head retarded and blindingly obvious?

There is a Star Trek RPG coming, so they will have stats soon.

Fun threads are great! Just have them on the boards they belong on.

Fantastic. It should be in /v/ anyway.

"X is the cancer that's killing Y" is the cancer that's killing Veeky Forums.

>Veeky Forums
>discussing a 20 year old tv episode that triggered their autism
Nothing out of the ordinary here. Please move along.

nice traditional games

>Are Klingons the most over-rated scrubs in the quadrant?

It was an over arching plot point through TNG and DS9 that the Empire had grown fat and corrupt.

The great 'Warrior Race' were more and more just spineless bullies and back stabbing Romulan-fuckers.

>They redeemed themselves in the Dominion War though. Were closer to what they should have been in terms tough as fuck warriors.

Yeah, that was their crusable. They reached their lowest point near the beginning of the Dominion arc. With the Founders infiltrating and exacerbating the existing problems of their Empire.

They reached the 'improve or die' moment, and they managed to pull through.

>They reached the 'improve or die' moment, and they managed to pull through.

A pity DS9 never really went into any sort of detail about how the Empire fared after the war. After the Cardassians they were the ones who took the biggest beating. Their military strength must've only been a fraction of what it was since once episode, where Kor dies, showed they were at the 'old men and boys' stage of replacements for frontline troops.

Whereas from Voyager it seems the Federation very quickly went full 'Murica-in-1945 as soon as the war was over.

TOS Klingons were good, TNG Klingons were just full retard 24/7.

>namefag thinks he knows how Veeky Forums works

Well, WoW-fags should be booted out like lepers for bringing some of the dumbest, ugliest, shittiest fantasy in vidya to the board.

Keep in mind that your average Bajoran had spent their ENTIRE LIVES fighting Cardassians.

Kira killed her first one when she was 12.

You have a people that have to spend their entire lives fighting to survive and add Starfleet training and you get an entire station of badasses.

And even Quark served in the military.

There are plenty of Star Trek RPGs already.

>Not a fan of klingons
>Doesn't understand why the thread exists

So why post? Just ignore threads that don't interest you.

At least it's not Forgotten Realms.

>And even Quark served in the military.
He was a cook. Also the Ferengi military only exists because it's a tax right off.

What, you don't like my setting, user? Wait, I know! Let me tell you about how my Gary Stu had lots of sex with the woman he had previously adopted and raised as his own daughter! I get off on making people at my table uncomfortable, don't ya know? Now let me describe this orgy scene and see if any of these unsuspecting convention-goers get up and leave.

But doesn't that just make it more D R A M A T I C?

Isn't that just Woody Allen's life?

The Ferengi have taxes?

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Forgotten Realms works much better than WoW because FR isn't a single setting, it's a huge mess of practically unconnected areas, for the sole purpose of fitting as much as possible within the setting. It's not a smart setting, or a good setting, it's a fractured mess without real guiding principles. WoW on the other hand is just a sheer stupid and ugly whole. It's all connected, and it's all shit.

So we're judging a setting by its literature? Let me dig up the old WoW manga my parents bought me a decade ago thinking it was just like them other mangas I enjoyed reading.

This guy gets it. Even if the Klingons lived up to their hype, they couldn't beat the back-to-back teamwork of Best Villain and The Most Interesting Tailor In The World.

youtube.com/watch?v=_i25svK_bz4

You know, physically powerful or not, I think there's a lot left to be desired about the tactic of running towards your enemy screaming and waving around a sword with zero reach while said enemy is armed with self-targeting beam weapons with the power to rearrange local geography or instantly drop everyone in the room.

STO solved a lot of these problems. You see Gorn (the big reptiles from TOS) and Ferasans (Caitian offshoot) as vassal species along with Klingons. They're still chauvanistic about warrior shit but they don't actively get in the way of science or engineering and focus on (unsurprisingly) keeping the empire running, hunting down pirates/terrorists, claiming resources, border clashes with the federation and so on.

As it turns out the Dominion war destroyed a lot of the dumb cultural bullshit that was holding the klingon empire back. You're a warrior of the klingon EMPIRE, as in everything you do is in service to the Empire. If you fail, you fail the Empire. So don't be afraid to get a little grease on your gloves or puke on your boots.

Battles are won with more than pretty words and glorius charges. You need logistics and tactics.

It's a peace keeping force for union breaking, pirate hunting, and thief taking. Obviously corrupt as hell since it's a ferengi institution but it is a military force.

why wouldn't they have taxes? Just because they come from a hyper capitalist society doesn't mean they don't have roads that need to be maintained.

>complaining about Veeky Forums being off topic
Hello newfriend.

This is true, it's why you get such a contrast with all that Worf waffles on about honour and whatnot when the reality of them is scum like the Duras or sneaky politician bastards like Gowron as opposed to, say, Martok.

It's funny how people forget that Worf is literally a weeaboo for klingon culture and his entire arc is learning that the Klingon empire is a decadent fucking mess and dudes like Kor are fighting a system of institutionalized incompetence in their attempts to build the empire.

Minsk

The capital of Belarus?

Actually, high ranking Vulcan warriors are in every part a match for the vast majority of Klingons; a lot of their training extends past self-actualization and on to self improvement, including extensive physical conditioning. Even Spock can keep pace with most Klingons and he's only half-Vulcan.
Point being that there are several races out there that give Vulcans a hard time.

So, to answer your question: most ST shows suffer greatly from sever plotarmoritis. As I remember DS:9 was an outstanding case, even compared to NG or V.

Toll roads are a thing.

It was a reference to that episode where Quark becomes Negus. You know,
"Give me a receipt for it."
"You want a receipt for bribing me?"
"Oh yes. Its a new regulation, you can write off bribes against your tax."
"We have tax?"

Pardon the bad taste for using a tvtropes term, but Klingons are truth in television. Just because you think your troops are competent, it doesn't actually make them competent.

This guy gets it.

Too bad they don't actually FIGHT, or have built a warship worth its name in like a century.

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Crucible

Write-off

Do you not know that he's the creator of FR? His oily fingerprints are all over it. TSR and WotC each put a lot of effort in to de-whizzardize all the setting stuff that he writes. Ed sometimes complains about how they whitewash his setting, and loves when he gets something racy past them.

One of the FR novels opens with a woman chopping trees down whilst naked, and lugging big hefty tree trunks around like nobody's business