Dragon Ball Tuffle Quest Z #42.5

Guys, let's save it for later, okay? Please?

>Copied over from Som's quest.

Honestly both DBZ Quests have similar issues with dice, Kato's more so do the fact that 5d20 is overly crit central.

Flat DCs that are strictly pass or fail will always be trash. It's either you make it and you are a god or you fuck up terribly.

Best shit is d100s best of three with degrees of success or failure based on how far above or below the rolls are to the target DC.

Discussing things now doesn't impact your ability to run the quest.

If you have complaints please save them for the ends of the threads please, or take them directly to her Twitter to avoid shitting up threads please

Also supporting

I like swords.

I personally enjoy German Hollow Quest's dice system.
It feels very nice, and has yet to cause even a single shitstorm.

Meanwhile, tuffle quest's dice system seems to cause quite a lot of shitstorms.
So there's clearly an issue with it.

I bet you're pro-skub too you monster

Do not antagonize him, user. Do not feel anger toward him. Pity him, for he cannot communicate without using memewords and unironically using words like "cuck".

Also, way to frame that guy's criticisms as "complaints". You sure are giving him the support he needs.

Do you like lasers? And more swords?

If so, I've got something that will blow your mind.

It's the nature of a d20 system with crits enabled. Though rolling 3 1's in the same dicepool is something I've yet to see in any game that I've played.

Random thought but...is the salesman who sold us the Stooges camels a Clorfor by chance?

How're you holding up Kato?

stupid blog post
The criticism I get for criticizing annoys me at times, but it only ever gets that far, it's pretty harmless. I just believe that for lots of things Kato does with this quest, an opposing viewpoint should be presented on a stance she takes, so that she may be kept on her toes enough to the point that she becomes a figurative ballet dancer. Also, sometimes it's motivated by spite at the rest of these CLODS for not having votes on outfits and preferring to keep to the same character instead of, heehee, branching out.

I saw three 20s in Homeless Mutant Quest once. Where they all counted in a best of three.

com·plaint
kəmˈplānt/Submit
noun
plural noun: complaints
1.
a statement that a situation is unsatisfactory or unacceptable.

crit·i·cism
ˈkridəˌsizəm/
noun
1.
the expression of disapproval of someone or something based on perceived faults or mistakes.

2.
the analysis and judgment of the merits and faults of a literary or artistic work.

Complaints and criticisms can be the same thing. Also, you do know that "Complaints and criticisms" are often said together, right?

Moron.

He's Crazy Hassan! The only one in the entire universe.

>the expression of disapproval of someone or something based on perceived faults or mistakes.

>the analysis and judgment of the merits and faults of a literary or artistic work.

vs.

>a statement that a situation is unsatisfactory or unacceptable.

Can you spot the difference? I'm not trying to get a rise out of you. I'm honestly wondering if you can distinguish any possible differences between the definitions that you just posted.

Katooooo, can one of our kids use the forbidden weapon?

>the expression of disapproval
>a statement that a situation is unsatisfactory or unacceptable.
It's almost like it's the exact same thing defined in different terms! Wowzers!
A complaint and a criticism can be the same thing, user. Deal with it.

I support this.
...

DOUBLE RAINBOW ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE SKKKKKY

>A. Wait, then where do you live if the Earth is destroyed?
>B. H-how'd we lose?
>C. So, you came back in time to give us this warning? Or is there something more?

>the expression of disapproval of someone or something *based on perceived faults or mistakes*.

>a statement that a situation is unsatisfactory or unacceptable.

The difference between these is that one is based on an analysis based on what one perceives.

The other is just simply saying that you don't like something.

But if you want to cut out pieces of something objective just because it doesn't fit your argument, then more power to you.

Kill jester

youtube.com/watch?v=iLqZ_IOtVGw

You clench your fists. "So, ghost dad just shows up and kills all? H-how'd we lose?"

He looks away. "Hatchiyak."

"...the computer?" your brother asks with a raised eyebrow. "No offense, but, how did THAT kill us?"

"Raichi has modified it, making it capable of taking a form of its own. None of you could stop him. The only ones that escaped were myself, Peppa, Chuu Lee, Lapis, and Lazuli." He trembles slightly. "...I tried to save you. I was too weak. Hatchiyak and the phantoms of hatred he summoned overwhelmed you. They went for the Saiyans first."

Vegeta grunts. "I'm calling bullshit. No Tuffle machine could ever hope to match the power of a Super-"

"Vegeta. Shut UP." Raditz growls. "Let the boy finish."

Gohan smiles for a moment, but it fades quickly as he continues in a grim tone. "With Kami gone, there weren't any Dragon Balls to use on Earth. Only Namek. The first wish was your backup plan: evacuate the Earth."

"So, where do you live if the Earth's been destroyed?" you ask, scratching your head.

"Tarble's planet, of the Tech-tech race." Gohan says.

"Wouldn't that cause a lot of trouble, transporting the entire planet's population to another one?" Lazuli asks, walking forward. "I mean, even if the people of Earth are aware of friendly aliens, I doubt many would simply adjust."

"...where the hell did you pick up on this, sis?" Lapis asks.

"What, you think the only thing I did while in space was plot against Cooler?" she asks in annoyance.

Gohan looks at her in... an almost nostalgic way, like he's heard her say those exact words before. "It would, normally. But when a planet's population has been reduced to a few thousand, there's not enough culture to really clash." He shakes his head. "Earthlings are almost extinct in the time I come from."

>A. And the other wishes?
>B. What happened to Hatchiyak?
>C. What about Towa, or Gero?
>D. Something else?

For those who want to fight ghost dad now, can we recover a bit first and potentially take some time to...I dunno, figure out methods of making destron gas inert?

Tell me, how DO you fit the time into your day to be such a massive faggot, user?
I find it hard to believe that someone could fit so many cocks up their ass and down their throat with a mere 24-hour day. Do you perhaps possess the power to control time?

Just FYI, not leaving out the other votes, just making sure y'all get more info on what's going on. They'll be in the next post.

>>A. And the other wishes?
>>C. What about Towa, or Gero?

>D. Feel a vague sense of unease that your son is talking using... THAT likeness of his, then shake it off.
>C. What about Towa, or Gero?
>"What would THEY happen to be doing?" directed up at the sky

>A. And the other wishes?
>B. What happened to Hatchiyak?
>C. What about Towa, or Gero?

Infodump time!

Time travelers should really bring brochures with them.

>Uh oh, I can't refute his argument! I know, I'll literally call him a massive faggot!

For that other user's sake, I hope that his criticisms aren't lumped in with your vitriol and complaints.

>A. And the other wishes?
>B. What happened to Hatchiyak?
>C. What about Towa, or Gero?

>D. Something else?
ABSOLVE HIM OF THE GUILT HE FEELS, GODDAMN GOHAN STOP BEING SO PETER PARKER.

>D. Absently feel around your torso to make sure that your lower cavities weren't... punctured.

If we make a scouter app for it, would other time travelers have it on their scouters from other times lines where that app was also made?

Come up with a clever punny name for it tho.

>D. Something else?

Does Gohan know what does Raichi do after he destroys the Earth?

If Hatchiyak no longer rules over Raichi's consciousness after he accomplishes his goals, maybe there's some way to release Raichi from its influence?

I nominate: "There's no time to explain!"

>B. What happened to Hatchiyak?
>C. What about Towa, or Gero?
>D. How's the journey to save Korin go?

There's nothing of actual substance to refute that can be said in a way that someone as retarded as you would understand.
It's basically like trying to teach a newborn infant calculus - you might actually be able to manage it, but it's guaranteed to take a long fucking time in the span of years upon years.
So, you'll have to forgive me if I don't want to take a few months trying to teach you how to be less retarded, user. It's much easier for me to just call you a faggot and go on with my day, like 99% of everyone else on here would reasonably do.

fund it

>A. And the other wishes?
>B. What happened to Hatchiyak?
>C. What about Towa, or Gero?

>Cell now has the DNA of Cold, Cooler, Frieza, the Armored Squadron, Abo and Kado, Zarbon, etc.
We might need to recruit the Ginyus for this. And for Raichi. Guldo might be able to do something with the time stopping and psychic abilities. Maybe even set up a Ginyu change.

Five man fusion

GO GO GINYU ENFORCER

>I'm so smart I can't possibly explain to you why my argument is wrong! I'll just continue calling him a faggot while being condescending!

A+ 10/10 masterful riposte!

>Cell has the DNA of the many woodland creatures of the Land of Korin as well as many grasses, weeds, flowers, trees, and shrubs

They'd kill people through sheer style and force of personality alone.

And after the fusion is done, everyone would be super bummed because they wouldn't ever see something as awesome as Ginyu Enforcer's debut ever again.

Well at least Raichi didn't team up with Myuu.

We dodged a bullet there.

CELL HAS KONPEI'S LOST TUSK

Oh, it's much worse than that...
>Cell has the DNA of every race that Gero has encountered in his space travels, Mira, and Towa

By which I meant
>Our Cell is definitely dunzo all over the Land of Korin

>Cell now has the DNA of a divine tardigrade

Game over man! Game over! He couldn't even kill himself even if he wanted to!

>Cell has Xenomorph DNA

Last time I asked Gero about it, he said he'd look into the Tardigrade.

So it's possible.

Cell is probably gonna eat the Sugil and her partners since she didn't get transformed by the coconut worm too if we don't destroy them first.

See this?

Now add in Cell somewhere in this chart.

I hope Gero doesn't get his ass to Mars

Is Broly in there too?

Cell may very well have Broly's DNA since Towa would find that hilarious.

>Cell whose power is Maximum
oh god no

If you were a mad scientist hell-bent on making a biological monster that would rampage well after your death, would you incorporate a Legendary Super Saiyan's DNA into it?

I hope the answer is no, because we'd be fucked if Gero answered differently.

Cell also has Space Godzilla dna too...

Diamond Cell.

Towa: I know a creature that make your creation unbelievably strong and hellbent on destroying Goku, but it may cause it to be uncontrollable and lose some intelligence.
Gero: This thing won't be done before I'm just dust in the ground, I have no plans on controlling it. Let's do it.

HEY CAN I ADD ONE MORE INGREDIENT

THE POWER OF THE LEGENDARY SUPER HUMAN

That gives Cell a glaring weakness.

Narcolepsy.

But then Cell would be less of a threat. He'd just charge while doing RaioKaio-ten times Skybreaker infinity times fifty and then knock himself out in a second flat.

He's got the tardigrade genes so he won't die, but he won't be doing much of anything else.

Hey Kato, was I right with and , or at least somewhat close? If we have given away the Destron Gas, will it be harder to use rage as a source of power?

I wonder where Piccolo is?

Probably taking the breaks out in the space ship him and Kami are on.
WILD CARD BITCHES

You know what we could use after all this? Some good ol' R&R

lets go to the hot springs

>we roll eight 1s

Psst this is a work safe board

So after we get ShindoL'd, which daughteru would y'all prefer?

...

I like it

"And the other wishes?" you ask hesitantly.

"One you actually came up with yourself before..." Gohan shudders. "Well, you had Porunga move Tarble's planet away, so Raichi couldn't find us."

"Smart move." Raditz comments. "Keep away, regroup, and try to find a way to become stronger."

"The last wish... was to keep the Namekian Dragon Balls from ever being used by a villain like him." Gohan stares down. "...so Raichi destroyed Namek when they refused to remove that wish."

You feel a jolt of guilt travel down your spine, but it seems like Gohan feels that as well. You place your hand on his shoulder and squeeze gently. "Hey, son, you're fine. Don't blame yourself."

He smiles. "Isn't the first time you've said that, but thanks."

"So, what about the rest of us?" Goku asks.

...oh Gods, is that it? "Ah, right, did... Hatchiyak take us as phantoms as well?"

Gohan silently nods. "...I've had to kill you twice. Both of you." he says as he looks at you and Goku. "And that was before Gero found planet M-2. And the abomination born of the Tuffle King's genetic material. A being that only called itself 'Baby.'"

Vegeta gives the boy a strange look. "...that's a stupid name."

"So... what about Towa, Gero?"

"Towa controls the Demon Realm after usurping her nephew. Gero works with the PTO, with his 'Cell Sentai' acting as their new elite warriors."

"Wait, how?!" Lazuli shouts. "We... we killed Cooler, Cold, Freeza, how did-"

"Mira took over after the hold on the Demon Realm was solidified." Gohan clarifies. "And Baby has begun a new 'Tuffle Empire' with himself as the immortal ruler. Last time we heard any news about him, he... apparently intended to make Izzy his 'Empress.'"

(cont.)

Chi-chi and Acer wince at that comment. "No mutant ghost monster is getting his hands on our precious Izzy!"

This all seems like one big mess. "Well Vegeta, you want to destroy a Tuffle planet? Because I am pretty sure if we locate ghost dad's old place we can put an end to this immediately! You even get to kill some Tuffles!"

Vegeta gives you a very, very confused look. Almost like he wants to say yes but doing so would break his pride further. He merely looks away and gives a "Maybe."

"Sadly, none of you are strong enough to stop him yet." Gohan states. "But... well, Bulma's idea was that if we give enough warning, maybe we could create a timeline where this future never happened. She managed to complete our Time Machine right before her '38th' birthday." Gohan adds noticeable fingerquotes as he says Bulma's age.

"Okay, how about techniques? We can start sharing things, like Fusion, Instant Transmission, something to give you guys the edge!"

A presence teleports in behind you all, with Trunks and Bra, and another, slightly terrified girl that seems to be an older Pantea... and they're with Buula!

...a very, very unhappy Buula, given the steam rising from her head and arms.

"So, you're the one who caused this mess."

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>DRAGON BALL TUFFLE QUEST Z #42 END
>Twitter account is @KatoQm, will have status updates there
>Got some questions for the QM? Characters? Suggestions? Throw them at ask.fm/QMKato and I'll try to answer them as best I can

And that's all for tonight, folks. I'll be around for questions like usual. Did y'all have fun? If y'all have any things you'd like to bring up, please, feel free to do so.

LEARNING DRUNKEN BOXING
BECOMING KURIZA'S ADVISOR
SETTING UP BEEL WITH MISA
TRAINING WITH THE KIDS IN SPACE FOR 5 YEARS
CONTACTING THE GINYU FORCE IN A TEXT WE SEND WHILE INTOXICATED FROM CELEBRATION

>...a very, very unhappy Buula, given the steam rising from her head and arms.
>"So, you're the one who caused this mess."

depending on who she means... we're gonna have trouble

So were the Goku-Bulma timeline and the Bra timeline mentioned before in this quest? Cause I don't remember

Okay, I have a new character suggestion I'd like to send you in a private message on twitter?

Uh oh, it's the fuzz! Cheese it!

It was pretty fun. We also reached two threads today, though sadly not without some shitposting. But still, that's more threads than we've had in one day for a while!

>Other things to bring up

I am somewhat concerned about putting Maple in a "support" role. You've probably heard this before, but I am somewhat concerned that pushing Maple into that type of role will essentially push her to the sidelines and will only be valuable because of the non-combat skills that she knows.

I'm okay with there being a power discrepancy between the Saiyans & the non-Saiyans due to skills and all that, but I think that both should still be able to go onto the frontlines and not get disabled so easily by smart & strong enemies. Maple's survival in major combat situations shouldn't be dependent on whether the strongest enemy is dumb enough to let her live long enough to help her friends gain the upper hand.

I realize that the Cold fight was marred by an astronomically high amount of 1s in a single dice pool, but it kinda highlights how some teamfights might go against strong opponents that are much more powerful than Maple. This also happened to a lesser extent in SAQ.

I guess that I'm worried that Maple will largely be a liability when the Saiyans get insane gains later on, and the enemies' power levels must increase in turn. While it was said that Maple can get abilities that will boost her fighting powers temporarily, those aren't quite as useful as the SSJ form that's a "fire-and-forget" ability that's good for as long as you don't get sucker-punched by a drastically stronger foe. I don’t want to see Maple acting like Dende did in the Frieza fight because that’s the surest way of not dying against a BBEG.

Anyone else up for having spell cards and ki mechas in the quest?

>he... apparently intended to make Izzy his 'Empress.'
youtu.be/fSHc13hnhhM

Thanks for running

Captain Ginyu will soon be getting a message on his Scouter
>genyu forc rulz! hahahaa!
>alzo kriza is king nw
>kuringza
>hahahaaaahahaaha

Goku-Bulma is the "Path to Power" Future Timeline. What happens when that Goku dies of a Heart Virus. Nail was on Earth as a way to repay his debts to Goku for saving Namek, and because Nail and Path to Power Goku have been friends since Goku arrived on Namek way back after he defeated King Piccolo.

Bra's timeline is basically the same as the "normal" Future Timeline. Or was, before you gave her the Mighty Smoothie. Now... well, she's closer to the kind of strength Gohan had at the Cell games, minus the mastery of the Super Saiyan form.

You can probably guess what Buula means by that.

Go for it.

I do actually agree with some of these points. Things aren't going to get easier, but the bad luck here made me realize just how risky a pure support role can be. So I'll be working on how to better plan things out for future fights.

I am going to say this, I do really like the suggestion user made on having players select a
>A. Melee Attack (Write-in)
>B. Energy Attack (Write-in)
thing, perhaps with another thing like
>C. Support (Write-in)
to encourage players to decide on what skills to better utilize. And not just because it makes my job writing things easier. I've tried to stick with the ten minutes between strategizing and voting, but I'll increase it a bit as well, maybe 15 or so?

Anyone have any opinions on that?

Hah.

Thanks for playing!

Different dice system when?

>skills and stuff

Sounds good to me, boss. Thanks for listening to our concerns.

Is Jenkins going to be OK? Will his lazy good-for-nothing brother Bill be the only legacy his family will leave after the Cold family falls?

Usually Kato's dice system works to mitigate most critfails. But with that said, perhaps it might not be a bad idea to play around with some other dice rules.

>She managed to complete our Time Machine right before her '38th' birthday." Gohan adds noticeable fingerquotes as he says Bulma's age.
Wait, so is it actually Future Bulma's 45th birthday?

Oh fuck. How many Saiyans are alive in our Gohan's timeline?!

As many Gohans as there are in the Time Patrol.

Or perhaps they *are* the Gohans in the Time Patrol!

New dice rules every thread would be fun, to be honest.
D100 day,
2d10 day
No dice day
25d20 day

I look forward to Battletech rules day.

Destroying all of our BBEGs could be as easy as pushing them off the map.

Alternate POVs would be good too. So where is that cooler pastebin?

I'll have to think about it. You did get INCREDIBLY unlucky this thread, and to be honest I was kind of hoping there'd be a merciful 20 at the end there. We'll see if there should be some changes, but things like that shouldn't be very common on 1d20, best of five.

Jenkins has surrendered, he knows there's no point in fighting people that can kill Freeza. He's also not really much a fighter. Hercule is just glad that there aren't more people trying to kill him, Zarbon and Dodoria were tough enough as-is.

That is a very good question.

Hahaha, damn it user, you almost made me choke on water. And stop reminding me of my SRW Quest ideas, I've got enough on my plate already.

That reminds me. So, there might be a Tournament coming up later on, I've gotten an idea. Would y'all be interested in, instead of going through prelims again, potentially playing the Junior Division as Peppa?

And here you go: pastebin.com/YM0Rk9Dw