Army List Building General

Any of you guys play Infinity?

I'm getting into it, and need advice on Tohaa.

Take as many triads with smoke as possible
Proceed to wreck face

Yeah, Makaul seem awesome.

Opinions on Kerail or Kosuil?

I want to play Gladius, but I play Ultramarines. I know that if you want to play Gladius, you're supposed to be White Scars.

Doing a small somewhat competitive game against chaos (I fear I'll face the dreaded Summoning Spam/ Daemon Prince Combo), how does this list look?

HH Imperial Fists, 2000pts

+ HQ +

Alexis Polux
Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion]

+ Troops +

Legion Tactical Support Squad [5x Legion Space Marines, Melta Guns]

3xLegion Veteran Tactical Squad [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Marksmen, 2x Missile Launcher and Suspensor Web]

+ Fast Attack +

2xLegion Seeker Squad [3x Combi-weapon, Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 7x Legion Seeker Space Marines]

+ Lord of War +

Knight Errant [Thermal Cannon, Reaper Chainsword]

Polux deep strikes with the Tac Support guys and hope to blow a tank or two.

Out of curiosity, is there a meta game to wargames like 40k?

Like there's all these models and options you can take, does anyone ever just find a busted list that everyone then copies?

>fuck super heavies and gargantuans
>but this aquila strongpoint is totally okay

seriously? otherwise it looks okay. i would double up on multimeltas on the landspeeders and get the centurion squad a drop pod

You must be new to gaming in general.

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I mean, yes.

Thems the breaks. I also don't have that much in the way of transports so those rhino's are really all I got, also the centurions I have work better just sitting back and blasting things then they do up front considering I also don't have the grav cents. More multi-meltas....that I can do.

And yes, we routinely have to deal with an Eldar and Tau player who both tend to bring nothing but the biggest cheese bullshit they can field, so an Aquila Strongpoint is small potatoes compared to that. Especially when I know the Tau will be doing the deepstriking suit spam and the eldar player will be bringing the D in full force plus as many of those wind riders as possible.

(1494/1500) IG mech

++HQ++ (230)
company command squad (60)
lord castellan creed (80)
dedicated transport chimera (65) multilaser&heavy flamer
missile launcher with flakk ammunition (25)

++elites++ (120)
Hades breaching drill assault squad (100)
two veteran meltaguns (20)

++troops++ (740)
veterans (60)
dedicated transport chimera (65) autocannon (5) & heavy flamer
two veteran plasma guns (30)
grenadiers (15)
(whole squad: 176)

veterans (60)
dedicated transport chimera (65) autocannon (5) & heavy flamer
two veteran plasma guns (30)
grenadiers (15)

veterans (60)
dedicated transport chimera (65) autocannon (5) & heavy flamer
two veteran plasma guns (30)
grenadiers (15)

veterans (60)
dedicated transport chimera (65) autocannon (5) & heavy flamer
two veteran plasma guns (30)
grenadiers (15)

++heavy support++
Leeman russ exterminator (130)
lascannon (10)
multy melta sponson (20)
(160)

Leeman russ battle tank (150)

wyvern battery (130)
wyvern (65)
wyvern (65)

should i drop the autocannons and get an astropath?

>Everyone posts and no-one criticizes:the thread
Your formatting is atrocious, creed is not being used and is dead weight, why is there a flakk missile launcher in the CCS. Give some of those vets meltas. That exterminator has no idea what its doing, change it to a vanquisher and it might be less schizo. Drop the flakk missile in your CCS and either multimelta sponsons or lascannon or swap the russ entirely.
You'll be rickety rekt by most lists even at 2k, what happens when someone brings eidelon/three dreads/a leviathan/literally any primarch. Rhino's are way too fragile in 30k, your metal boxes are more like cardboard than 40k. Swap the vet missiles to HBolters to take better advantage of marksmen.
Give your dreadknight a teleporter, else it will never fight anything ever. Find the points, eve if you drop dudes to do it.

to be cont.

Your techmarine does nothing, ever. Chaplain does not need an auspex or digital weapons, the points are needed elsewhere. You do not need three tac squads, take two troops choices total, an extra seven marines does nothing to help you when someone could take 50 guardsmen for the same cost. Your vanguard vets are bizzarely expensive and a single battlecannon will wipe half of them out despite the three storm shields. Keep it simple, stupid. Your dreadpod does not want a deathwind launcher. Keep it simple. Your ass squad could deepstrike without the pod by giving them jump packs, and will be much more effective afterwards. Your dev squad has heavy bolters in a pod, the only weapon that is good on pod devs is the multimelta because it doesnt have to snapshot. The armorium cherub is not needed, drop it. The predator is fine. The entire list is a schizophrenic mess, which is fine, but its not good and you will lose most games.
You will be hated for bringing an aquila to a no-superheavies game. Just a heads up. If your friend is bringing the fortifications, you ought to bring some stuff to move around and grabobjectives, so good work. Don't know about Tigirius rather than something either cheaper or fightier, so you can get more stuff/fight off random smashfuckers for a few turns. Otherwise, looks pretty decent.
cont.

>knights
You're That Guy. Other than that, can the Ravenwing strike force bring that one speeder to get the 2+ rerollable with no overwatch? If so, bring that.
You can't spell for nuts, but other than that it looks like a pretty solid list. You will run into problems with anything super durable (2w termies, primarchs and 20-man tac blobs), anything as fast/faster than you (Night lords, Bangels, White scars) and anything particularly shooty (IW, Ultramarines and Fists in cover). Unless you play against people who specialise though, you ought to be fine.

>That exterminator has no idea what its doing, change it to a vanquisher
>vanquisher
>litterally one fucking shot that misses 60% of the times

wew

>lascannon
>literally one shot that misses 50% of the time
If he wants to kit it for tank hunting, then do so properly, quantity has a quality of its own

thats a multypurpose tank tho

the flakk is to at least shoot something at the aircrafts

also can you explain me why someone should give a 12" weapon to a bunch of soft troops that will be utterly destroyed in front of a rapid fire weapon?

How to improve this?

>Leader, Behemoth
Keeper of Secrets - 280

>Battleline
20x Deamonettes - 240
20x Daemonettes - 240

>Others
10x Seekers - 240
10x Seekers - 240
2x Fiends - 120
2x Fiends - 120

Total 1480/1500

Which list is better for "All comers"
>Leader
Treelord Ancient: Briarsheath, Regrowth - 300

>Battleline
20x Dryads - 240
20x Dryads - 240
5x Tree Revenants - 100
5x Tree Revenants - 100

>Behemoth
Treelord Ancient: Verdant Blessing- 300

>Other
3x Kurnoth Hunters with Bows - 180
3x Kurnoth Hunters with Bows - 180
3x Kurnoth Hunters with Scythes - 180
3x Kurnoth Hunters with Scythes - 180
--2000 points

OR
>Formation
Gnarlroot - 100

>Leader
Treelord Ancient: Circlet, Reaping- 300
Branchwych: Verdant Blessing - 100

>Battleline
20x Dryads - 240
20x Dryads - 240
5x Tree Revenants - 100

>Behemoth
Treelord Ancient: Regrowth- 300
Treelord - 260

>Other
3x Kurnoth Hunters with Bows - 180
3x Kurnoth Hunters with Bows - 180
--2000 points

>That Guy
That's kind of the point at an itc tournament though if it makes you feel better it's the first time I've ever used any of that stuff so I won't be mucking too many people
Also itc rules that 2+ rerollable becomes a 2+ then a 4+ so dark shroud isn't as necessary as 3+ rerollable is better odds

Kerail are not worth it IMO.

Kosuil are fine, good combat engineer IMO. More anti material can be a lifesaver for certain missions.

Is this a good first list?

two lists depending on game size

For 1000 point games
BLackshard Warhost
80 pts
Heroes
Castellan - General
Great Weapon
120 pts
Standard Bearer
80 pts
Deamonsmith x2
200 pts

Battleline
Ironsworn x10
100 pts
Ironsworn x10
100 pts
Fireglaives x10
100 pts
Fireglaives x10
100 pts
Artillery
Deathshrieker
120 pts

Total: 1000 pts

For 2000 points, everything above plus

Hashuts wrath
100 pts
Daemonsmith
100 pts
Iron Deamon x2
400 pts
Magma Cannon x2
280 pts
Deathshrieker
120 pts
Total: 2000 points

Put the cannons and rocket launchers in the back with two smiths and an iron Deamon, defend the machines with the ironsworn and general with the fireglaives and third smith behind them, second iron demon is used for screening up the front

>kerail suck
AHAHAHAHAHA STUPID SPICSHITS
NOT EVEN ONE OF THEIR FAVORED FACTIONS ARE SAFE
BWAHAHAHAHA

2500 Empire Kaizoku 8E brainstorming list

Lords - 502

General - 207
-Full Plate
-Shield
-Runefang
-Dragonhelm
-Potion of Speed

Wizard Lord - 295
-Level 4
-Talisman of Preservation
-2 Dispel Scrolls

Heroes - 274

Captain - 134
BSB
War Banner
Great Weapon
Full Plate
Shield

Warrior Priest - 74
Great Weapon
Heavy Armour
Shield

Master Engineer - 66
Light Armour

Core - 1482

Regiment - 40 Spearmen - 270
Shields
Command

12 Handgunners - Detachment - 108
12 Handgunners - Detachment - 108

Regiment - 40 Spearmen - 270
Shields
Command

12 Handgunners - Detachment - 108
12 Handgunners - Detachment - 108

40 Spearmen - Regiment - 270
Shields
Command

20 Halberdiers - Detachment - 120
20 Halberdiers - Detachment - 120

Special - 240

Great Cannon - 120
Great Cannon - 120

Any thoughts welcome, I'm all over the place with what I want.

Going to introduce a gue'la Mechanicus War Convocation to the Greater Good and show them that Tau science is the best in the galaxy. 2000 pts. Thoughts?

Yeah, looks very solid. Next purchase should be a Kaeltar box though, those are awesome.

...

fair enough, how is the strongpoint anyway? i got one hidden in the closet unloved for years along with oop lesser brass scorpion

So what is this supposed to mean CB shill?

I don't even play Infinity dumbass. I just think scum like you gives 40k a bad name.

If points aren't really an issue, should I pick for my SM tacs to have heavy weapons along with a sarg w/ multiweapon and one special weapon? Is it a worthwhile sacrifice to give up less firepower for better movement?

r8

Depends on what you want them to be doing. Generally, its better to either have them sit on an objective in your rearfield in order to be able to fire a single heavy weapon (which is still not that great) or have them mobile in a rhino to tie up opponent squads, take mid and rear objectives, and be a general nuisance. Now that seventh has everything scoring, its generally best to be mobile with objective secured.
Assassinorum is a lackluster formation, since the eversor is shit, the vindicare is mediocre, the callidus is decent, and the Culexus is amazing. May as well just take the culexus and leave the rest on the shelf. Other than that, give your daemonhammers to non-justicars so as to not get challenged out by schmucks, leaving you helpless. Other than that it looks pretty good. Draigo is expensive, but he will murder everything in the game if he can catch them

I'd argue giving one dude a gun that out-ranges the rest of the squad that only he can fire at particular targets said squad would normally not be able to harm is an extreme waste of efficiency. BUT if you're so inclined a 5 man team with 1 heavy weapon is less an issue as you aren't losing as much, hell just give em a razorback with TL lascannon for extra heavy weapon that will basically sit back and shoot things.

Maybe if you weren't so busy being so fucking triggered you'd realize I'm an infinity player not a 40k player
But hey if a random person saying random shit on the Internet is enough to ruin your whole day than maybe you're the one who should consider suicide

2+/4+ is superior to a 3+/3+. 1/12 gets through compared to 1/9.

I have a question about AoS General's handbook, if I want to make a 500 pts list do i:
* Use the same restrictions as vanguard (1000 pts) ?
*Use half round down restrictions as vanguard?

Here is the thing I want to make a demo game for a friend and i, and i have a beastmen army (he doesn't have anything) but I haven't fully understand how AoS list building works (example minotaurs cost 180 for 3, so I can only go for units of 3,6,9 and 12 or can I have a unit of 5 because each one must cost 60 points ... For the record I start reading the General's handbook but android epub readers fuck the formatting so much that it's really hard to get some things and still haven't found where the razor pitch battle profile)

Is the Libarian Conclave on Battle Scribe yet?

That looks pretty nice. Do you have all 4 Makaul? Can probably take 4 of the 13 point version if you free up some points.

with the new points costs and the cool new treeple miniatures i've been brewing a list for AoS.

What i was considering for 2k points was something along the lines of ;

Treelord Ancient seed of rebirth/acorn of the ages

Branchwych

Drycha Hamadreth Wraithstone

20x dryads

20x dryads

5x tree revenants

3x kurnoth hunters with scythes

3x kurnoth hunters with bows

outcasts

3x5 spite revenants

I was wondering does this look fun? too weak? Too strong? i can't really say i'm too used to AoS, But i've played a but of 40k and fantasy. On a slightly more tangental note; command traits, do you guys roll for them or pick them? i seem to recall them being rolled for in 40k so that was what i was planning but i figured i'd ask aswell.

How viable would this be against any given Daemon army?

Depends on the Daemon list. If its Tzeentch cheese then prepare your anus for flickering fire.

Rate my 36% chance of rolling misfortune list.
Tell me if I'm better off rolling Biomancy for my Bullgryn.

Company command squad [118 points]
- Regimental standard
- Carapace armour
- (X2) Meltaguns
- Volkov's Cane

Company command squad [85 points]
- Carapace armour
- Heavy Bolter
- (X2) Sniper rifle

Ministorum priest [25 points]

Primaris Psyker [75 points]
- Mastery level 2

Bullgryns [145 points]
- Slabshields & Grenadier gauntlets

(X2)
Veterans [75 points]
- Carapace armour

(X2)
Veterans [76 points]
- Carapace armour
- Sergeant has Bolter

Bumping this
Also at 2500 pts I'll add 3 units of 20 goblins and a pack of 10 goblin wolf riders

Getting a couple more models today to get closer to a 1500pt list for my tau. Not quite all the way there yet, even after purchases today, but I'm getting closer. This is what I have so far for a casual play list. I'm not looking to wipe everyone off the table, just wanna have fun and actually play 40k more often than once every 6 months.

Total - 1492 pts

HQ-
Commander - 130
Burst Cannon, Cyclic Ion Blaster, Vectored Retro Thrusters, Advanced Targeting System
Shield Drone

Troops-
Breacher Team (10) - 214
Shas’ui, DS8 Turret (Missile Pod), Devilfish
Gun Drone, Guardian Drone

Breacher Team (10) - 214
Shas’ui, DS8 Turret (Missile Pod), Devilfish
Gun Drone, Guardian Drone

Fast Attack-
Pathfinders (10) - 198
Rail Rifle x2
Recon Drone, Grav-Inhibitor Drone, Pulse Accelerator Drone

Pathfinders (10) - 198
Rail Rifle x2
Recon Drone, Grav-Inhibitor Drone, Pulse Accelerator Drone

Piranhas (2) - 80

Elite-
Stealth Suits (3) - 110
Shas’vre, Markerlight, Fusion Blaster

Crisis Suits (3) - 263
Flamer x2, Fusion Blaster, Shield Generator x3, Missile Pod, Target Lock x2
Gun Drone x4, Marker Drone x2

Ghostkeel Suit - 165
Cyclic Ion Raker, Stimulant Injector

Suggestions for Allies? I have a couple of Landraider Crusaders, at least 4 BT 20 man strong squads. Could add a couple of Inquisition small squad psykers for shits and giggles.

+++ Die die Necrons (1225pts) +++

++ Adepta Sororitas: Codex (2013) (Combined Arms Detachment) (1225pts) ++

+ HQ (135pts) +

Saint Celestine (135pts)

+ Troops (300pts) +

Battle Sister Squad (150pts) [2x Battle Sister, Battle Sister with Flamer, Battle Sister with Heavy Flamer]
··Immolator [Dozer Blade, Twin-Linked Multi-Melta]
··Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Flamer]

Battle Sister Squad (150pts) [2x Battle Sister, Battle Sister with Flamer, Battle Sister with Heavy Flamer]
··Immolator [Dozer Blade, Twin-Linked Multi-Melta]
··Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Flamer]

+ Fast Attack (400pts) +

Dominion Squad (200pts) [4x Dominion with Meltagun, Repressor [FW]]
··Dominion Superior [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Melta, Upgrade to Veteran Dominion Superior]

Dominion Squad (200pts) [4x Dominion with Meltagun, Repressor [FW]]
··Dominion Superior [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Melta, Upgrade to Veteran Dominion Superior]

+ Heavy Support (390pts) +

Exorcist (130pts) [Dozer Blade]

Exorcist (130pts) [Dozer Blade]

Exorcist (130pts) [Dozer Blade]

I do. What should I drop?

Is it worth getting to 11?

1000/1000
Leaders:
1:Great Bray-Shamaness[100](G)
2:Beastlord[80](Weapon)
3:Wargor Standard Bearer[80]

Battleline:
1:Ungor Raiders[160](20)
2:Gors[160](20)
3:
4:

Artillery:
1:
2:

Behemoths:
1:
2:

Other Units:
1:Bestigors[240](20)
2:Tuskgor Chariots[180](3)

Cancer

>x1 Flamer, x1 Heavy Flamer
Take x2 Flamers instead. With the above, you'll be resolving shots one at a time reducing the effectiveness of the second template.

>Immolators on sister sqauds, Repressors on Dominions
Switch these transports around. The battle sisters need to tank long ranged fire to advance. AV13 is also easier to direct from a distance
The Immolator needs to be up close from the start to be effective. Scouting 12" or outflanking really makes Immolators shine.

>Upgrade to Veteran Dominion Superior
Not worth the points for +1 Ld. Get Laud Hailers instead.

>Dominion superior with combi-melta
Go for the Combi-plasma instead. 4 ignores-cover melta shots in the arse will down anything that isn't a knight. The extra shot from the plasma is very helpful for alpha-striking Flyrants before they take off.

>Exorcists with Dozer blades
Take Storm-bolters instead to negate weapon destroyed on a 4+.

2000 Point Death Tournament List
Deathlords:
-Arkhan The Black: 340
-Morghast Archai: 240
Deathmages:
-Necromancer: 120
Deathrattle:
-Skeleton Warriors (30): 240
-Skeleton Warriors (30): 240
-Skeleton Warriors (10): 80
-Wight King with Baleful Tomb Blade (Sword of Unholy Power): 120
Tomb Kings:
-Tomb King (General: Ruler of the Night): 100
-Liche Priest: 120
Monstrous Arcanum:
-Mourngul: 400

Mourngul can be swapped out for Necrosphinx.

The repressor is basically to shoot from inside the box without the need of getting out.

Dozer blades stay, I could just add a storm Bolter, enough points left for that. (1500 points game)

Huh I didn't knew shooting went retarded in 7th. Oh well guess flamers then what a shame.

Also why Flyrants against Necrons?

Remove Fiends, add 10 daemonettes to each unit. As you currently stand, if one daemonette is killed, you lose your 20 or more model buff, 30 gives you some leeway.

In my experience. leaving Dominions inside Repressors ends up with the Repressor getting shot in the side until its hull points are gone, and the dominions assaulted, if only to prevent them firing again.

>Also why Flyrants against Necrons?
I just used Flyrants as an example. Dominions have strong alpha-strike potential to hit things like invisibilty deathstars before they power up. Against Necrons, I'd outflank to get behind those pesky Wraiths.

My experience has been that with Repressors on Dominions do wonders. Then again I could just give a repressor to everyone.

Maybe go silly and add 3 chimeras with a psyker each, a cheap psyker inquisitor. Go full psybolt dakka and mind bullets spam.

Made something quick.

+++ Pimp Strike Force (1495pts) +++

++ Adepta Sororitas: Codex (2013) (Combined Arms Detachment) (1210pts) ++

+ HQ (135pts) +

Saint Celestine (135pts)

+ Troops (310pts) +

Battle Sister Squad (155pts) [2x Battle Sister, Battle Sister with Flamer, Battle Sister with Flamer, Repressor [FW]]
··Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Flamer]

Battle Sister Squad (155pts) [2x Battle Sister, Battle Sister with Flamer, Battle Sister with Flamer, Repressor [FW]]
··Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Flamer]

+ Fast Attack (360pts) +

Dominion Squad (180pts) [4x Dominion with Meltagun]
··Dominion Superior [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Melta]
··Immolator [Dozer Blade, Twin-Linked Multi-Melta]

Dominion Squad (180pts) [4x Dominion with Meltagun]
··Dominion Superior [Bolt Pistol, Combi-Melta]
··Immolator [Dozer Blade, Twin-Linked Multi-Melta]

+ Heavy Support (405pts) +

Exorcist (135pts) [Dozer Blade, Storm Bolter]

Exorcist (135pts) [Dozer Blade, Storm Bolter]

Exorcist (135pts) [Dozer Blade, Storm Bolter]

++ Inquisition: Codex (2013) (Inq Inquisitorial Detachment) (285pts) ++

+ HQ (63pts) +

Ordo Xenos Inquisitor (63pts) [Bolt Pistol, Force Sword, Power Armour, Psyker (Mastery Level 1)]

+ Elites (222pts) +

Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband (111pts) [Psyker]
··Acolyte with Special Weapon [Carapace Armour, Laspistol, Plasmagun]
··Acolyte with Special Weapon [Carapace Armour, Laspistol, Plasmagun]
··Chimera [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter, Heavy Bolter, Psybolt Ammunition]

Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband (111pts) [Psyker]
··Acolyte with Special Weapon [Carapace Armour, Laspistol, Plasmagun]
··Acolyte with Special Weapon [Carapace Armour, Laspistol, Plasmagun]
··Chimera [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter, Heavy Bolter, Psybolt Ammunition]

The second one, you can get the lords of the clan battalion and 10 more dryads if you remove one unit of Kurnoth Hunters. Although either way is fine, it just seems like a waste of a battalion that you could use.

I would just cut the unit requirements in half.

You could also take the household battalion for only 20 points, but then you'd need to do some slight reconfiguring. I just pick my command traits, it seems easier and means I don't get screwed over and take a useless one.

Remove chariot, chariots aren't all that great in AoS. Do grab a monster of some kind, as your Bray Shaman can some it in. Also what command trait and artifact are you taking?

Summon*

Yeah, 11 is great because you can use a command token to hotswap someone into group one.

Make the Ectros a Vulkan shottie, those are awesome.

>an entire unit type invalidated cause of age of shitmar
Classic gay Whoreshit

I guess I should clarify. Chariots aren't meant to be run on their own. They're meant to be run as more beefy calvary, so grouping them in units of three or more makes them a lot stronger and viable.

ah, like switch the ancient for durthu?

It WOULD give me another magic item too, so that could be cool.

Plus durthu's model is really cool

Something like this?
Branchwych with seed of rebirth

Drycha Hamadreth Wraithstone

20x dryads

5x tree revenants

5x tree revenants

outcasts

3x5 spite revenants

Household Batallion

Durthu with Acorn of the ages

3x kurnoth hunters with scythes

3x kurnoth hunters with bows

Or would this leave my army with too few iunits to objective secure? or are my spite renenants potentially able to do that?

Better?

Have the first game of an escalation league tomorrow.

Looks pretty great, except put the clipsos in its own group. You can start in hidden deployment, then reveal when you lose a model and hotswap the clipsos over.

Good luck!

You've got enough units for sitting on objectives, maybe keep the Tree Revenants close to the dryads as one strong focal point and the Spite Revenants with Drycha for fucking up a unit's bravery.

2000 pt single CAD tournament (no formations/forgeworld)

CSM 2000

HQ
Kharn (160)
Ahriman (230)

Troops
Cultists x10 (50)
Thousand Sons x5 w/rhino (185)

Elites
Terminators x4 w/Land Raider (478)
- 3w/ PF+combi-meltas
- Champ CF+LC
- Icon of Wrath, MoK, VotlW

Noise Marines w/rhino (180)
- 1 blastmaster
- Champ w/doom siren
Noise Marines (125)
- 1 blastmaster

Fast Attack
Heldrake (baleflamer) (170)

HS
Vindicator (125)
Havocs (170)
- 4 lascannons, MoN
Maulerfiend (125)
- magma cutters

I too am jumping in.

Could you make me a 300 point list for Neoterra?

I have no idea what is good.

Anyone have a decent demi-company list for Iron Hands?

The basics seasoned to your taste but including a command squad on bikes all with storm shields and an apothecary and either or both your independent characters on bikes for maximum iron hands FnP rape

Oh and this is using the medusan strike force as well so maybe even make some variant of smashfucker

My List

Imperial Knights Baronnial court

1x Warden with 5 point Melta as warlord with Sanctuary

1x Gallant with 5 point melta

3x Wardens with stubbers

Play Tau. Pick Riptides. Go on Veeky Forums and tell people there's nothing wrong with three Riptides at 1000 points, and you're just a butthurt Space Marine player if you disagree.

1850pts all-comers list

Space Marines, Imperial Fists chapter tactics

+++HQ+++
>Captain 155pts
artificer armour, relic blade, primarch's wrath

+++ELITES+++
>Sternguard 248pts
9 men, rhino, dozer blade, extra armour

>Ironclad 145pts
heavy flamer, hurricane bolter, ironclad assault launchers

+++TROOPS+++
>Tacticals 149pts
6 men, plasma, combi-plas, rhino, dozer blade

>Tacticals 149pts
6 men, plasma, combi-plas, rhino, dozer blade

>Scouts 65pts
camo cloaks

+++FAST ATTACK+++
>Attack Bikes 120 pts
3 bikes

>Scout Bikes 74
cluster mines

+++HEAVY SUPPORT+++
>Predator Annihilators 420pts
3 tanks

>Stalkers 225pts
3 tanks

>Thunderfire Cannon 100pts

Not OP, but this should be a good starter list.

Is it wankery to bring a Knight Crusader in a 2k Skitarii list?

Nope, if it's not war convo it's ok
I've heard Knights are "balanced" but I personally think they're cheese but one at 2k should be manageable

That's literally all 40k is.

You know how normies who don't understand traditional games like MTG will ask "I don't get it, why don't you take the best options and just beat everybody?" and it's a bit of an obtuse question?

Well fucking scratch that. In 40k it's a perfectly valid question, because the system is retardedly broken. Either you pick the best units and get lucky or you die like a faggot, there is no game.

On a more positive note, there are a shitload of ways to play 40k so it's not as black and white as this, you can easily set up games so that this isn't the case and have a good time, which is why I still play. But in "serious" competitive environments, this will always be the case.

It's not war convo. I can't be fucked doing all the remodeling and with our prices it's still ruinously expensive. so I assume a Knight at 1k or 1.5k is too cheesy?

1500 still fine but 1k is pushing it but fine if you let your opponent know beforehand what you're bringing though this goes for any list that has super heavies in them

In the local meta no one has SH at 1.5k or less. There's a lot of contemptors, thud guns and mass infantry.

Do people refuse to play if you bring a list they don't like? I fought a thanatar at 1k and it was great fun

It all depends on your local area, if there's an unspoken 'no shv or gargs at 1.5k or less' rule then best to follow it unless discussing with your opponent beforehand

There's no stuff like that. The store has a lot of skilled players and so all the cheese does get beaten a fair bit. I beat one of the wannabe WAACfags the other day because he didn't know what he was doing. I'll fit the Knight into the 2k list and then see how it fares.

Yeah that sounds good!

I think i'll try that.

Awesome.