So I've heard that the whole point in the skull imagery in the 40k Imperium of Man is: in death we are all the same, the skull is representing the essential sameness of all humanity, the skull of the Emperor is just like yours, etc etc etc.
But that doesn't make any sense.
Race is more than skin deep. Humans are subdivided into different races, just like breeds of dogs are. German Shepards and Pitt bulls can interbreed, but obviously those are totally different animals. And the different breeds of dogs happened within just a few hundred years.
It makes sense that genetically isolated branches of humanity, which have been inhabiting extremely different environments for millennia (different planets), would drift genetically into not just different "races" or "breeds" of humanity but literally different species.
It can happen faster than you think. Selection pressure from agriculture alone is probably responsible for all sorts of behavioral and physical traits in modern humans. And that took place over a shorter time span than space colonization in the 40k universe.
The skull iconography doesn't even make sense in real life. It makes even less sense in 40k. We probably wouldn't even recognize the "humans" in 40k. They would be as different from us as Neanderthals are from homo sapiens.
Our skulls are different today. Bin the grim darkness of the future, they would be even more different.
To be fair, some of the grimderpness of 40k should go in the bin.
Angel Lopez
It's a fascist theocracy. The skulls represent death and remind you of how the emperor's faithful can kill you at a moment's notice, but also that the emperor will welcome you into his arms after death.
Think of it like the Christian symbol - the cross. 40k bases a lot of the Imperial faith on Catholicism. And the cross is blatantly a symbol of suffering, both as a threat and as reassurance. Also people would object to it's use by the Imperium, so skulls it is.
Jayden Cooper
You'll have better luck with shitposting on faster boards friendo.
Grayson Thomas
The Church regularly culls mutants, ensuring a static gene pool.
Caleb Ortiz
The whole point of the skull imagery is that every skull the Imperium puts on something is a skull that Khorne doesn't get for his throne.
Leo James
Just means Khornates have to take extra skulls to make up the difference.
Easton Smith
We are talking Khornates here. They would be taking those extra skulls either way.
Isaiah Evans
>Humans are subdivided into different races, just like breeds of dogs are
That's incorrect. It's not a SWJ thing. "Race", as it's used colloquially, has no scientific weight whatsoever. As far as actual genetics goes, humans are humans are humans are humans. You can just straight up google that.
Kayden Williams
>We probably wouldn't even recognize the "humans" in 40k. They would be as different from us as Neanderthals are from homo sapiens. but neanderthals are most likely mixed with us
Ryder Allen
Low effort posting there. There are significant divergences in genetics between races. You can easily determine a person's backgroubd through a DNA test.
Jace Wilson
This, please, the /pol/ spam is just hurting your cause
People who'd be annoyed enough by SJW bullshit otherwise to fall in to your crap are being driven off by the obnoxious spam
Carter Collins
The fact that people discussing genetics and society and symbolism without a SJW filter on, shows how far into thought policing our society has come. I support OP.
Lucas Williams
What about op's post is /pol/?
Jace Hill
Edit: ... the fact that you get mad at people for discussing ....
Nathaniel Rodriguez
It's the same as the Buddhist ideal of prayer beads being made of human bone: death is a part of your duty. It will come for you. Don't not fear it, your pride will not stop it. But death cannot stop your legacy. Each bone a reminder that a man has fulfilled his life's goal: to reach death.
Connor Kelly
> traditional games > phrenology
Go "muh 40k setting discussion" all you want, but if you don't see this as yet another "subtle" racial agitation thread to stir the pot and spam Le ebin redpil, you're gullible.
Brayden Reyes
You are incorrect. Archeologists and forensic scientists identify the race of human remains by skeleton structure all the time. It's like the easiest thing to do, no DNA test required, just look at the thing.
Racial differences are obvious and apparent to anyone who has a real job to do. Medical doctors and drug researches takes race into account because if they didn't people would die.
The social """"sciences"""" are worse than useless. They don't just ignore HBD, they go out of their way to deny it.
Ethan Young
You missed the point where the Imperium culls mutants and. You don't see any Abhuman skulls in that iconography do you?
On a side note, notice how one of the Ork nicknames for humans are pinkies? And how there is a famous quote by them describing humans as soft and pink? White people are the most common people in 40k. Interpret that as you will.
Gavin Wood
ITT: People try so, so hard to use board games as a vehicle for racial politicking
Nolan Carter
>t. "human" of African origin
Charles Cooper
> NUH-UH, YOU'RE A NIGGER
Landon Young
>Interpret that as you will.
How would you interpret it
Jonathan Jenkins
I don't see it, the point is that even today skulls vary by race, that isn't opinion, it isn't racist, it is fact. now the discussion on the purpose of the skull imagery in 40K, specifically the imperium.
also, how do you think humans would change physiologically from planet to planet. Say Mars besides the machine replacements
Colton Perez
As do I. I don't understand why these triggertards can't simply hide the thread or ignore it. No, they always have to come in and post what basically amounts to "DELETE THIS!!!" every fucking time. Like anything that conflicts with their worldview is salaceous trolling that should be discarded outright.
It's not enough for them to disagree with whatever it is that's triggering them (though they rarely care enough to explain WHY they disagree with it), they have to actively go out of their way to make it known that they think the discussion should be censored altogether.
Blake Butler
We get mad because /pol/ loves to shove their shit into everything. >Hey the Imperium uses skulls but do you know skulls look different based on race What the hell does this have to do with anything? It is like Veeky Forums randomly shitting up /m/ by pointing out that the square cube law is a thing.
Colton Martin
Even with our current knowledge we know that zero G fucks up your bones after a couple of months, even with heavy exercise and optimal nutrition.
Zero G is not partial G. We only have two data sets (normal = 1 G, ISS = 0 G). But given the data set we have today + common sense, Martian G (.38 G of Earth's), will likely have an effect of some sort. Maybe not super harmful, maybe you only need a little bit of gravity for your body to function normally. But this is a big question mark. We just don't know. We won't know, we can't know, until we try.
When we do finally establish a colony on Mars, we're going to learn a lot from the first human born there. Virginia Dare, livestreamed in real time.
Jonathan Russell
It's a symbol of sacrifice, not equality.
Colton Jones
Skulls look spooky and 40k was made during the age of metal to be metal as fuck so of course it has skulls everywhere. Make up any justification for that you want.
Jonathan Richardson
Except worse because these guys are trying to go out of their way to shit up the board and make it more "redpilled".
Maybe, sometimes, the people getting frustrated aren't triggered nu-male feminists. Maybe they just don't give a fuck about blacks or muslims or whatever and just want to talk about dragons and orks in peace without a bunch of raidkids trying to jam their shit down their throats
Joseph Perry
Plus their attempts to force relevance make them look more retarded than if they just straight made an irrelevant thread. Its like an educational movie using rap, its more pitiful than anything else.
Christian Campbell
and yet despite your opinion on the post, its spawned several thoughtful replies ( ) that you'd have to be retarded to say are nothing more than "HURR DURR NIGGERS ARE INFERIOR AMITIRE?!" pol circlejerking.
so please fuck off with your paranoid triggertard bullshit for like 2 seconds already. and please stop calling your opinion "we"
Camden Smith
>I've heard you've heard wrong
>in the grim darkness of the future, they would be even more different no, they're the same
Lucas Clark
Or maybe they're just getting tired of the inbred hill-people of /pol/ coming here and trying to spread their bullshit theories about why they should be able to treat other people like shit. >inb4 but user, they are... Hurr durr furr
Kayden Barnes
ITT: People who don't realize that Veeky Forums is comprised of /pol/ and its vassal boards
Veeky Forums and /co/ are filled with moderate-to-leftist content. It is up to us to end it.
Carter Parker
Come on, a thread about how the size of dicks, affect races can lead to thoughtful replies, it dosen't mean it's retarded. Anyone who's been around knows this was a /pol/ thread, that dosen't make it inherently bad, it just makes it /pol/, with all its positive, and negative traits.
The point in the thread could've done as simple as saying that human skull shapes are different, but he went at it in a very /pol/ way.
Cameron Jones
> paranoid triggertard
Is this how /pol/ raiders pronounce "people who don't immediately spread their asscheeks for their Nazi dicklets"?
Cameron Morgan
I thought I was on /pol/ for a minute there.
Easton Rivera
You can get people to reply to anything doesn't mean you aren't forcing your shit down everyone else's throats.
But lets break up the relevance of your post line by line >40k related >just a comment >Hurr durr human races are like artificially selected and actively inbred dog breeds, we are so different >Hey look races are like people living on different planets >Some more irrelevant facts about race >Random assumption about 40k that goes against established fluff to try to prove a point
You could have stopped with line 1, just say "why does the Imperium obsess over skulls?"
Christopher Adams
>Anybody hints at or mentions race in any context whatsoever >Get totally buttblasted
This is you
Hunter Bennett
>racism/stereotyping is bad, mmkay >And btw, I'm incapable of disagreeing with an opposing idealogy without stereotyping all of it's supporters as inferior subhumans
Can't wait to be drinking your tears when Trump wins in a landslide this November. It's YOUR hateful, hand-waving bigotry that has made people so fed up with the left that they've embraced Donald Trump of all people as their savior. Oh the irony, right?
Jeremiah Rogers
>just like breeds of dogs are Stopped reading there, you're genuinely retarded if you think dog genetics work the same way as human genetics.
John Myers
No, Veeky Forums is filled with escapists who didn't even hear about "left" and "right" division before you started your ebin nazi spiderman threads. Now fuck off.
Easton Wright
Why did OP have to mention race in any way? Why did he make a stupid comparison between human races and dog breeds? Why did OP even mention that 40k humans should look alien to us when established fluff outright states that isn't true?
Caleb Powell
>t. Evolution didn't effect the brain in any way
Tyler Diaz
What is your obsession with dicks, man. You're in nearly every thread talking about dick size. It's annoying.
This is pretty obvious, but it could be an interesting topic without the /pol/ flavoring.
But I guess that the makers of 40k simply didn't think of it. Or they thought of the skulls as a symbol for a unity in death - which comes for all humans.
Bentley Barnes
Go back to /pol/, facebook commenter.
Easton Cook
It isn't even really genetics it is that dogs were artificially selected for specific traits and inbred to hell. It is like someone actively selected humans for underbites and actively had siblings and cousins fucking to make the traits more prominent and then saying "look how different these horribly inbred people look compared to normal people."
Levi Gutierrez
We think 40k is an effective tool to spread the better aspects of Fascism so that's why we haven't crapflooded this dykenest. We could erase this board.
Watch your tone when speaking with your superiors.
Nicholas Barnes
I'm actually not that user, I just like colorful phrases. But there's seriously some guy in every thread talking about cocks?
Weird.
Kevin Rodriguez
Can I have proof to back up OP's image?
Like a present day scientific article. Not the quack shit made in the 19th century.
This peaks my interests.
Jacob Russell
Trump will win in a landslide, 50/50 states.
Check ' em
Noah Edwards
Yeah, I'm not OP you fucking retard. Thanks for proving the "paranoid triggertard" portion of my post. You're so out of touch with reality that you automatically assume every post that doesn't support your fragile ideology must come from a single extremely prolific shitposter.
Adam Young
t. fluff in a soft scifi setting works according to science and not established fluff. In 40k all humans are effectively the same except abhumans, this is a fact. Differences exist like Cadians being special snowflakes with purple eyes but the fluff and rules always bring up indirectly how compatible pretty much all humans are. FFS the fluff even mentions that all humans are the same subspecies except for abhumans which are classified as different subspecies.
So Habsburgians? Monarchies were up to some crazy hijinks in that regard.
Thank god, but yeah, there's a dude constantly talking about dick sizes on Veeky Forums. Hard to filter for him, though.
Hudson Ward
>Make a comment about how OP is a faggot and use the word you >Hurr I'm not OP you are so paranoid
Landon Rivera
You were never my superior. I'm my own master.
Lincoln Williams
Okay kiddo ;^)
Just remember that faggots like you are going first when the day of the rope comes around.
Andrew Wood
>We think 40k is an effective tool to spread the better aspects of Fascism Are you mentally disabled? 40k is all about how the Imperium is a shithole for 99.999% of humanity and how it is doomed to collapse eventually.
Jaxson Jenkins
remember, Jerry's Subs and Pizza now has a sub call "The Wall"
Jackson Roberts
It will be useless to hide when the day of the wrench comes by
Justin Collins
It's all about humanity unifying in hatred of savage and barbaric subhumans. It's about glory and honor and killing monsters with ugly colored skin and purging degeneracy so normality reigns, which is what we truly are here for.
40k has helped redpill so many.
Jackson Torres
I think that was the point OP was making. Even in death we are different, beyond superficial culture like food and fashion and skin color.
This fact could be interpreted either way of course. An emphasis on heritability and ancestry (blood and soil), or emphasis on the similarities we share, despite the obvious differences within greater humanity, between us and the hated Aliens.
Liam Rogers
That post was totally written as though it was in direct response to the OP's author, don't even try to downplay it user: >But lets break up the relevance of YOUR post line by line >Proceeds to break down the OP, not the post they're replying to >YOU have stopped with line 1, just say (sums up the OP in an SJW-approved manner)
Logan Foster
>Jerry's Subs and Pizza Who...?
Nicholas Bailey
You infidels better be prayin' that the day of the scimitar doesn't roll around any time soon.
Or was it the day of the AK-47? I forget.
Ian Jackson
>humanity unifying >40k Ok.... the only thing that's a bigger shithole than the Imperium, is 40k itself.
Kevin Carter
True, but also canine genome are unique in how they are able to undergo adaptive molecular change.
Jaxson King
don't know how far around the US the chain goes but around DC, VA, and MD its everywhere
Jonathan Reyes
Kay... So, nowhere important. Got it.
Nolan Moore
Bigot much?
Jack Hernandez
Oh god I know this is bait but wow.
/pol/'s Sampson option of taking over /mlp/ during the Cuckening went down in a spectacle of pony colored flames. They couldn't take over a board of lonely horsefuckers and they think themselves superior.
Samuel Clark
Umm...
40k canon explicitly endorses racist fascism as the only thing keeping our race alive against hostile aliens.
I mean, it's super grimdark and all, but are you seriously implying that universalist democracy
Josiah Brooks
>fictional settings came about as a result of evolution are you actually retarded
Nathaniel Nelson
There's no jews or muslims in 40k, because it's the future.
Lucas Roberts
When it comes to shit food, you're damn right.
Leo Rivera
You sure are up-to-date on all the /pol/ goings-ons. I'm one of the people sympathizing with the validity of OP's post and I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
Nathaniel Reyes
40k canon endorses speciesism as the only thing keeping humanity alive. Black and white put aside their differences to fight against green. It's kind of heartwarming, in a way.
Josiah Phillips
Let me guess, you just started up here 3 months ago?
Henry Ross
There's no christians, either. Because it's a shithole future, with background ripped wholesale from Dune.
Julian Bennett
But you weren't dismissing food, user. You were dismissing the "importance" of several geographical areas.
Did you seriously, like, forget what you were saying?
Joseph Brown
Is that another pol meme that you somehow know better than I do?
Jayden Smith
Christianity is an effective tool to combat degenerate behavior like homosexuality but the Emperor fulfills that role in 40k.
Cooper Jones
You're wrong He's right Speaking as a doctor, race is a very real concept. There are significant racial differences in alcohol and drug metabolism, disease prevalence and treatment response. You can only say race doesn't exist if you define race as some sort of absolutist strawman where separate races where races have to be completely different. Which is ridiculous. Races are a matter of averages and predominance with lots of shades of grey. That doesn't make them any less real.
Xavier Turner
>implying VA, MD, or DC are important You're not one of those male escorts who makes money from right-wing senators at the capital, are you?
Bentley Scott
Nah that's just tried and true newfag accusation he's sliding you user
Ian Evans
I am OP.
All you faggots here assuming I'm /pol/. I ain't.
Lincoln Hall
Hahahaha
Oh fuck... He doesn't knoe that christianity was considered worship of a minor chaos god!
John Sanders
> ain't
So you're just a redneck. Also you sound nothing like OP. You're still a faghot, just probably a different one.
Tyler Hall
[citation and PhD needed]
Jason Barnes
Because I don't pay attention to children's games, I'm fighting a culture war.
Jace Gutierrez
That's pretty harsh, especially considering that ain't is also a part of AAVE.
Sebastian Wood
It's more like "In death, everyone is reduced to a skull." or "Eventually, you will just be a skull".
It's why so many fraternities and secret organizations have Skulls as their emblems. It's not because they're death worshipers, it's because they're ambitious and want their members to remember their mortality.
Memento Mori and all that. Death is a Great equalizer, but also a reminder to use your time wisely.
Colton Miller
DC and the surrounding counties are literally parasites on the test of the country. You produce nothing of value. Only suffering.
So, much like 40k in that respect.
Anthony King
>We must secure a future for white children, you're a degenerate, let's gas the kikes, What are you, a cuck? Nigger Nigger Nigger Nigger Nigger
/pol/-speak thread.
Also, to take your question seriously, I was under the impression the skulls motif in Warhammer was more about how grim the setting was (reminders of death and mortality everywhere), not about everyone being the same.
Cameron Scott
>these state that are home to hundreds of thousands of human lives only matter to homosexual sex workers Wow, please continue exposing yourself as a shameless bigot.
Jayden Reed
>I'm a mutur aduhlt who dusn't plah games So take your stupid culture war and imaginary sky-friend relgion back to your shitty containment board.