Where does the idea that elves are all sluts come from? Is it just memes and hentai? It can't be Tolkien...

Maybe elves are giant sluts BECAUSE their race is dying, and it's some kind of ingrained species-wide response that's only happening in the past generation or so. With the length of time on Elven pregnancies, the population boom they're heading towards is happening, it's just taking a while.

High elf on the streets, dark elf in the sheets.

The Elvish Woman is simultaneously slatternly and incapable of sustaining the Elf population because she wastes her life committing unspeakable acts for "fun" or "liberation" instead of propagating the Elvish race. At best, when she does reproduce in droves, it is to create misbegotten half-breed mongrels, which are prone to the vices of their lesser fathers.

Long lives, but even long menstrual cycles. They can't get pregnant very often, but when they can is also extremely variable. This goes double with adventurers, as stress can alter the menstrual cycle. Their race is dying because they are individually so long-lived. This also means the death of one is a serious blow to the race as a whole.

Is their a reason that elves are always dying out in every setting besides "Tolkien did it' ?

Yea, Tolkien did it.

No. That's the only reason, m8.

Nope. Tolkien did it, copy it.

This image alone

Maybe for balance reasons, since they are literally just better humans who live longer and usually smarter than humans.
If they were not dying I see no reason why won't they just conquer all the lesser primitive races.

They can be both, if for any reason their ability to reproduce is hamstrung. But if the problem is only on one of the guys or the girls end, then there's probably a hell of a lot of half-elves running around.

Half-elves. You don't see any half-halflings, do you?

Traditional European depictions of the fair folk makes them basically kidnapping psychopaths who toy with human beings in several different ways, including sexually, secuding men like succubi.

It's Tolkien with his honourable elves who stand out.

It's brought out of a distortion of Tolkien, where in one of his letters, he mentions that elves can't be raped, because they'd die from the trauma involved (elves having a much closer connection between soul and body than humans do).

This, perhaps inevitably mutated into "elves can't be raped" because they're massive sluts.

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Because the artist is Korean, and probably uses Korean faces as a reference.

Because the artist is korean.
naver is basically a gimme for recognizing koreans.

Well... /thread

I've always assumed that Celebríans "torment" at the orcs hand was rape.

Isn't this "elves can't be raped" a retcon where he tries to make his favourite characters even more OP, like when he says Galadriel wasn't affected by the Doom of Mandos? I tend to ignore these.

>they barely survive in changed environment and desperately try to adapt, defending nature in its current state
>fae magic inside their bodies is declining
>hungry god wants to suck their souls and they have to be 2pure4sex to not get eaten

Dunno, but there are a few very uncomfortable things in Tolkien's books.
Like the fact that Gollums elves jailors were "taken" by the orques. Not killed, but taken, and never mentionned again.

>I've always assumed that Celebríans "torment" at the orcs hand was rape.

Not really supported by the text; although the exact details of her torture aren't expressly laid out, it also mentions that after rescuing her, Elrond spends quite a while tending to the poisoned wounds she received.

>Isn't this "elves can't be raped" a retcon where he tries to make his favourite characters even more OP,

As far as I know, no.

>like when he says Galadriel wasn't affected by the Doom of Mandos? I tend to ignore these.

That one's weird, because he revised Galadriel's origin about 5 times, and it's not clear which of them is supposed to be "right". All of them have holes; but her "not being affected by the Doom of Mandos" ones are all tied to her not leaving with Feanor, which happens in some of the timelines. OTOH, she does seem to be barred from returning until she passes up the ring, if anything, it's implied she has something worse than the Doom, applied to her specifically.

>wouldn't them fucking around so much and their huge lifespan mean that they will outnumber everyone else quickly?

It's a huge oversight by many fantasy authors.

At least Tolkien was wise enough to basically include a sort of caveat that Elf reproduction, like everything else they did, was a work of great creation, and thus, just like how creating a great work imparts some of the elf's vital energy and soul permanently into an object, creating children does the same.

Pictured: An elf that was so much of a greedy shitter, that he blew out his mom's vagina and soul by being born TOO POWERFUL AND TOO GREAT, despite the fact that she was described as being a great creator, and having the vitality and spirit to have borne many children.

Some Indo-European mythologies heavily associated "elvish" beings with the pre-Indo-European inhabitants of a given land. The Tuatha de Dannan of Irish mythology, for example, are basically the predecessors of the Gaels in Ireland. That's why they were associated with the woods and mounds. The woods because that's probably where the last Pre-Indo-European peoples surviving sought refugee, and the mounds because that's where their people were buried.

So no, Tolkien didn't invent that.

sauce?

Can you provide concrete proof that Prude Elves are somehow better than Lewd Elves?

No, you can't.

It makes fucking one a giant achievement you can be proud.

Actually, Elven demographics in Tolkien make no sense either. There ought to be WAY fewer Elves than we see hanging around.

Just think about Arwen for a second. She is, quite literally, a 7th generation Elf from the time Elves were created by Illuvatar. And Feanor is explicitly stated to be the elf with the most children, at 7.

So let's assume (ridiculously) that out of 144 starting breeding pairs, each one has 6 kids. That means 432 breeding pairs in the second generation, 1,296 in the third, 3,888 in the 4th 11,664 in the 5th, 34,992 in the 6th, and finally 104,976 in the 7th and final generation. Total Elven population of ALL ELVES EVER is a bit over 300,000. And there are way more than that, especially since a hell of a lot of them we know for a fact die childless.

I don't think you're supposed to think about this too hard.

>At least Tolkien was wise enough to basically include a sort of caveat that Elf reproduction, like everything else they did, was a work of great creation, and thus, just like how creating a great work imparts some of the elf's vital energy and soul permanently into an object, creating children does the same.

Actually, if you look at HoME, and the section of Laws and Customs among the Eldar, he mentions that's a superstition the Elves had, and only dropped it when they met up with Elves who had been reincarnated post-death. It's not actually true.

Less lewd faggots that lust over them, making elves more respectable in general, people would concentrate more on the male elves being manly.

There are other creatures that can fill that niche though. Like a Sphinx.

Gay.

But Sphynxes don't have amazing asses you can spank.

>Gay
Cool opinion.

The wars against Melkor must have cost a lot of lives and after that they are constantly leaving middle-earth. Though Valinor must be filled with them.

But that's just it, think of the Elves even before/during the wars in the first age. Gondolin can field 10,000 soldiers, and there's no indication that women fight in Elven society.

So Godndolin's got at least 20,000 Elves if that army is literally every adult male elf and they have an equal population of female elves. (Again, kind of silly assumptions) There are also other Elven political entities at the time of Nirneath Arnoediad, and that's already after several major battles, including the pretty bad defeat at the Sudden Flame.

Now add in Feanor's kids realms, Nargothrond, and oh yeah, Doriath which is explicitly stated to be the biggest elven kingdom in Beleriand, and we're probably talking about at least 100,000 elves if not more. And that's before generations 6 and 7 are born.

That helmet is fish-on-head retarded

The thing is we don't have solid numbers of ur-elves.

More generally, I guess the reason that elves don't have many kids is because there are a finite number of elves, with the dead and unborn waiting around the Halls of Mandos till they're born or the world ends. I think at least, it's been a while

The only really stupid thing about it is that it appears to be made from metal.
Then again, Ithilmar is supposed to be really light, so maybe it still works.

So basically what's happening to the white race right now

Say that to my face not online.

I'd post the literal fish helmet but I lost it.

>Can you provide concrete proof that Prude Elves are somehow better than Lewd Elves?
The rape is better if they aren't sluts. Checkmate

A cat-ass is fine too, user. Nothing like the delightful feeling of a lioness' flank under your hand as you pound her silly.

Hey, Id be interested in reading this book. Sauce?

Hey man don't you be dissin fish

Why yes, I too have read that doujin

They have handlebars for face fucking.

And there's nothing better then some high born, wise as fuck, and supremely beautiful elven women having their face desecrated and turned into a cum hole. Its just hot humiliation.

We do. We know 144 male and 144 female "awakened" at Cuivenien

And again, the finite number and soul reincarnation thing is an elvish superstition, not "reality". On my phone, but when I get back, I'll send over the line from Laws and Customs among the Eldar.

SJW found.

>Desperate, lonely virgins being attracted
>getting this upset over people joking that elves are sluts

Jesus Christ man.

Skinny lonely nerd here, I also want a qt3.14 girlfriend that is a slut for my dick only and wants her best friend to join us from time to time

God, you say it like it's a bad thing!

Because if every human was hot, had magic (and thus were likely to have ways to deal with unwanted preganancy and STIs), and could enjoy their twenties for 400 years, we'd all be sluts too.

So far not one good reason. Which author started this? Or was it a tabletop game? A video game?

Tolkien's weren't dying out. They were leaving to live with the gods. The ones that still are in Middle-Earth by LotR are a tiny, tiny amount of their population, and most didn't ever go back to Middle-Earth after they found their way to the West

But you don't know what's within their asses. Sphyncters!

Never mind then. I guess the Doylist answer would be that the inconsistencies are deliberate, or at least not patched over, to make the work seem more like mythology than straight fiction. Either that or Tolkien just can't into maths

It is completely possible to grow desensitivized to sex. It's why a lot of pornstars ironically want platonic relationships.

>reincarnation
>superstition
Glorfindel

Also, using HoME to discuss canon is pretty dumb. All the shit on it is at different degrees of completion and made on wildly different time periods for versions of the Silmarillion that may be different to the one that was published

"Elf slave what do". There. Stop asking stupid questions now, will you?

It just plain isn't a thing outside of japan and Veeky Forums. It never started

Although LotR is labeled as "high fantasy", this is something created after his work.

Tolkien intended, and succeeded, at writing Mythology. Beowulf, Illiad, Kalevala, those are the works closer to his.

Plotholes happen, but besides what we read being a later acount with gaps, it wasn't meant to "make sense" in a, shall we say, modern way.

>"I want a pure woman who will also be a slut"
What I don't understand about feminism is why it's so damn woman-hating all the time. The only possibilities are "frigid" or "will fuck anything with a pulse"? Really? It's unreasonable to expect a woman to have a strong sexual appetite but not want to whore around -- ie the way most men are?

Such a fucking demeaning, misogynistic attitude.

Seconded.

Bro, why do you assume that just because Arwen was a seventh-generation elf, that means the seventh necessarily was the last generation? That doesn't follow. There could be like 40 generations of elves, but Arwen happens to come from a family line who had children late. This is the big flaw of your argument as far as I can see.

>a lot of pornstars ironically want platonic relationships
Kek, good luck with that shit. "Hey, I know I take hard cock in every hole on the daily and I look like the avatar of fuckable, but I want us to be just friends, except married"

They aren't going to be doing a lot of conquering lesser races if the lesser races came into prominence in the twilight of the Elvish race with the Elves holding on by the skin of their teeth, and already fighting fairly nasty battles more often than they would like just to stay where they are.

The kind of situation where they THOUGHT they were the ones in charge for a while and it was even sort of true. Then something knocked them on their asses and burned their kingdoms to the ground, and scattered what was left.

That would be why magical swords from Gondolin are in a smelly hole in the ground in the middle of nowhere.

Literally anime.

>"I want a pure woman who will also be a slut"

Is it like a woman who would only fuck you, but won't mind being borrowed to your friends and relatives?

Not for lack of trying

He's just spitting reality. From your post I would say you're the one getting upset here.

That's what I'm talking about, every time they are already a dying race or being put into another bad shit.
As if they would be put into normal conditions they would dominate the shit out of everyone.

These guys exist and there's a surprising number of them.

I find every single one hilarious. Obviously they used to watch their wife/girlfriends porn tapes, but I wonder if they still do. How do they feel about all the drugs? Are they on them too?

In the only example that user gave Gondolin's fall is the fault of a human. Well, a human and its king since he didn't listen to the god that told him Gondolin was only a temporary refuge. Elves USED to be the dominant people in Middle-Earth but as time went on and things got increasingly shittier it became less appealing to stay there as opposed to the Undying Lands. That, and attempting to enthrall humanity on any way would probably result in dire divine retribution

What, are they exclusively old guys who got their dicks shot off in the Vietnam War or something? Homeless guys who'll say literally anything for a roof over their heads and three squares a day?

I can't believe there's even one man who's self-hating to that degree.

Often it's other pornstars or people who aren't interested in sex in the first place

>people who aren't interested in sex in the first place
>but shack up with a porn star

Elves are synonymous with fairies in the English folk lore, and were sexual threats back then, effectively making them the Huldra or Kitsune of England.

They were of course, like most things, inevitably censored up by the Victorians into tiny cookie making buggers. But the OG elves, once you get out of Norse Mythology which doesn't talk about them much at all, were sexy and dangerous wood crazies.

Then the fucking Japs got their hands on them and put them into Hentai.

So TL;DR, it's a combination of Hentai, Memes, and old folklore about Faeries taking mortal lovers and the horrible things which would happen to these people

And the implications of what the Rohirrim did to the Druedain in the past.

It's got a lot to do with memes, but also the idea of a more 'free' and 'liberated' type of lifestyle from a race that values experiences and non-material pursuits. Elves traditionally value art, poems, music, time with loved ones, etc. Making love is just encompassed in that.

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One person looking for a platonic relationship finds another person looking for a platonic relationship. Their backgrounds and the reasons for their platonicness is just incidental.

There are a fuckton of different elf varietys.

That's like dating a chef and expecting delicious meals every morning. It's their job. They do it so much they probably don't enjoy or don't have the energy to do it on their off-time. Gordon Ramsay eats oatmeal for breakfast every day and likes drinking double-doubles. They're going to look for someone who understands they aren't going to be willing to do that just because they do it for a living. A celibate guy, who's not ever going to ask about sex, is most likely a good partner for a pornstar who doesn't like having sex unless she's getting paid anymore

I mean, in D&D they live longer and have technologically advanced more due to it (magic being the technology here), but they're at most equally as strong as a human and in some editions physically frailer.

The only thing where elves are universally more powerful then humans is Tolkien's stuff (where numbers can still overwhelm them and their losses are even more proununced then in other settings) and awful shit like Eragon.

I've always seen it as a throwback to more traditional fae and their tendencies for debauchery and excess.

Because otherwise you have to justify why they don't own everything.

Elves are just better than everyone else. So they have to have some sort of limiting factor or you're going to write a story about second class citizens in the elf empire.

That's being extremely unimaginative. Not even Tolkien had that problem

That sounds like an awesome setting tbqh.

>that helmet

Well I know the mightiest warrior in the land when I see him.

In some settings.
Seriously, it's about as easy to kill an elf as it is to kill a human in D&D; put a pointy sword into them and they die.
Easier in 3e since they're actually likely to have a bit less health thanks to low Con scores.

We-eel...
You know what a blinkling is? What about a kestrel?