Is there a sub-cult within the Admech that glorifies the machine through artistic expression...

Is there a sub-cult within the Admech that glorifies the machine through artistic expression? Surely they recognize that the machine is capable of nourishing the spirit through works of art and music.

If not, why is that?

Ina word - Slaanesh.

So what you are saying is that they would be dark mechanicum instead of regular admech? Somehow I don't think that would be the case.

i doubt it humans appreciation for art is hard to quantify and very subjective
the mechanicum essentialy deify scientific progress and compete to see who can make themselves the least "human"
the only way i could see to make ths work is to have them discover an archaeotech musical device and have their be a cult built upon its musical expressions
the cults devotees could measure the sound released from the machine and attempt to understand it in an objective almost autistic sense
but remain oblivious to the fact that it is a machine created for the enjoyment of listening to it
you could also make this an avenue to slaanesh worship
perhaps the machine corrupts those who here it into becoming addicted to the its music

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But Daft Punk are not real robots. They are two french guys who met in college and made millions off the acid house scene.

In a setting where artificial intelligence is banned throughout mankind, how can you expect machines to do any composing?

I doubt music is such a foreign concept to the Admech, seeing how there are probably clubs and other such establishments in hive cities, that some priests must have visited.

And Slaanesh would be the obvious outlet for these ideas, but they could also think of it as giving a voice to the machine, which would be a great honor for any tech-priest.

Most tech-priests/skitarii are not wholly machines either. Their base organics are still in their metal chassis.

While the tech priest would have some knowledge of music my idea was given the heights humanity had reached in the golden age and its current low in the the 41st millenium

that it would be possible for there to be a machine which created music in a way that the admechs would not understand

imagine cavemen listening to dubstep

>there are probably clubs and other such establishments in hive cities

idk about that it probably varies wildly from hiveplanet to hiveplanet
but the majority of adepts live and die cloistered on forgeworlds and listening to music for enjoyment would seem like a pretty strange idea to someone raised to praise the machine god
there only exposure might be whatever pass for church hymns in the mechanicus

True, but the explorators have free reign over the galaxy. While it is their charge to discover long lost technologies, it's not unthinkable for one to have stumbled upon some shady establishment in the lower hives (or maybe even more exotic places like on board of a Freebooter ship) where a rave or similar gathering is in progress and thinking it is a most holy communion with the machine god as machines are producing the music.

thats my point the galaxy is a large place and you could find some techpriests who were confused about the purpose of music

that is the only way a nonheretical cult in the mechanicus could start

if they were interested in playing music for enjoyment or the lifting of spirits that would be at the least a misappropiation of their time
and if they constructed machines for that purpose it could be considered heretical

they are priests not bards

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And? Either a machine makes music, i.e. an artificial intelligence, or a human does it.

A priest would make the music using machines, thus interfacing directly with the machine god and giving him a voice (or that would be the belief, at least).

So I am communing with the machine god when playing a wooden guitar? How mechanical must the thing be? Does it need to be powered by electricity?

for what purpose though this seems like a waste of the priests time?

I'd say it needs to be an actual, automated machine, so probably mostly electronic music or music produced through electronic means.

For the same purpose as most rites are performed in the Admech, to revere the Machine God.

>automated machine
What does this mean? Does it not require human input to make music?

It means the machine translates human input into music. Like a chip tracker.

The difference to actual instruments is that you are giving commands for a software instead of mechanically playing an instrument yourself.

So basically digital sheet music which encodes sound information as well as composition? A DAW? Ok.

Well, I suppose it could be done, but it would only be a tool, the human composer/artist would still be the most integral component. Like a space marine firing a bolter, there has to be a vested interest in using a tool, which implies that a tech priest has a direct interesting in composing and playing music. This sounds highly unlikely, but I would be concede that if there was such an artist, there could possibly be a lot of tech priests interested in being sound engineers.

Why not? Music could be read as just coded data, arranged into a pleasing mathematical program that runs at a set time. Even the most jaded brain in a jar techpriest still ultimately human and has a taste for some form of aesthetic, because otherwise what would be the point of fine robes, burnished gold skulls on everything.

The trick is that what a techpriest finds to be a work of breathtaking artistic beauty could be utterly alien to anyone who hasn't been raised by the cult or who doesn't have a good few specialised adaptations to their brain or sensory organs. Even then, there will almost certainly be recognisable schools of artistic thought - just off the top of my head, you could have high Imperial Gothic (gold, eagles and skulls on absolutely everything), minimalist (performing a function in the most efficient, effortless way possible, like the greatest DAOT works), Humanist (the human form is sacred, so lots of perfect looking human representations and even more skulls), Brutalist (everything can be a weapon, even architecture). You could even apply these schools of thought to different disciplines within the Mechanicus - a servitor maker with High Imperial tastes is going to produce some huge baroque looking armoured thing, while a Humanist might try to vat grow a perfect humanoid specimen and minimise outward signs of bionics.

I think not, at best we would see some sort of half-assed correlation between certain frequency patterns/harmonics, sound intensity and rhythm coupled with something that enhances battle capability.

So... binaural beats?

Yeah that's what I was thinking about. It's perfect for the type of pseudo-scientific machine religion stuff that is happening most of the time. And it will probably connect on humans on a spiritual level more easily, since it will come off as a primal sound or whatever.

Music isnt some artsy fartsy concept. The pythagoreans discovered tones with simple and precise proportions and took this as proof that the universe was built upon mathematics (or something like that anyway), if they could find it structured and sacred so can the admech.

shiposter:
>Music isnt some artsy fartsy concept
OP:
>Is there a sub-cult within the Admech that glorifies the machine through artistic expression?
sorry you seem to have missed the point of this discussion

>(or something like that anyway)
wow im really convinced now

> if they could find it structured and sacred so can the admech
kind of my point isnt it if the mechanicus could find something mechanical and scientific about music then they might study it
but to have a cult dedicated to the artistic pursuit of music would be heretical

But what if they thought that music, as long as it originates from a machine, was communion with the machine god? That through music the machine god speaks to them, and all compositions are divinely inspired?

once again if they thought the music that originated from the machine was communications from the omissiah then they would record it and study it
not dance to it

the closest thing irl would be like when islamic folks sing from the quran or priests sing gregorian chants but its less a form of art or entertainment it is a type of worship and meditation

I made a Slaanesh worshiping Heretech in Black Crusade a while back, pic related it was how his servitor looked like.
He thought that beauty was a part of the Omnissiah's perfection and aimed to reflect that.

Because it gives me bad tummyfeels and is thus noncanon and bad forever.

Electro-priests are generally pretty fun guys to be around. Just remember never to shake his hand.

There should be one, the Sect of Delta Iota.