MTG LEGACY GENERAL

After a long kick of Delver variants, I just started playing DnT. It has to be the most elegant O'brien deck I've ever played. I love it.

mtgo is missing tabernacle right?

Just play Painter instead of trying to be a snowflake who misuses Dredge build names.

A playset of Ports is $1000 online. Way less Goblins, DnT and Lands.

Oh right, the one true build of Blood Moon Stompy has already been discovered. I forgot.

I did beat a some of the reanimator and delver guys so it wasn't a total wash. I just found the amount of reanimator alarming. I played againsy more reanimator than delver variants. It's not played nearly that often in paper.

Was it BR reanimator? Thats one of the budget decks. I honestly don't think testing online should be treated the same as testing for paper. If you look at online results, you would think you'd be bumping into Miracles every 5 minutes.

Question,

This garbage ever seen play? Even in fringe decks?

I have a friend who swears it was/is O.P. Not much of a magic buff, so I don't know, but doesn't seem that great to me.

No it was normal reanimator with a smattering of tin fins. I agree with you about online testing. If this keeps up i'll probaby change my online board.

no it doesn't

You're just not getting enough quality practice user. Piloting a storm deck isn't exactly intuitive, even to intelligent people. Read articles, watch videos, and practice practice practice.

In the context of legacy, no. In the context of any other format, __________________no_____________________

She's almost a straight upgrade from Mirran Crusader. Just as good on defense, almost as good on attack, legendary for the karakas interaction, still human for the cavern, not to mention that you get a tax effect

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Legacy is dead! DEAD!

It's only useful in commander, and even in commander it's only useful in a specific 5 colour deck that involves tutoring it out cheap while you have Scion of the Ur-Dragon, or Progenitus.

Its banned in EDH. Its just one of many useless cards.

How does the new Thalia interact with Shock Lands? Can you still pay the 2 life?

Damn right, fucking reserved list. Piece of shit.

Don't even like modern.

Even if you do, the land will come into play tapped.

Storm decks in legacy require plenty of practice, preferably with someone else who understands the deck. There are too many decisions to make without some experience-based heuristics.

In an interaction like that, whatever "changes" the games normal ruling (nonbasics come in tapped) takes priority.

Four color Delver reporting in (Grixis, with the green splash for Decay and Deathrite)
One of the guys in my irl playgroup plays Miracles, but honestly it isn't that bad for me.
The real trouble in my playgroup is Merfolk, actually. Fuck Islandwalk. And True Name.

Have you tried this crazy new card called "pyroblast"

But how is pyroblast going to hit True Name Nemesis? Besides, he's already running Decay, I don't think he should main pyroblast.

I'm new to the Legacy format and I'm opposed of buying cards that are on the Reserve List. And I don't want to play burn.
How is Tezzerator doing? pls show me the light. Legacy is a scary format ;_;

You counter the thing, retard.

Tezz has won some events recently. In a lot of ways whats good in Legacy is a self fulfilling prophecy. Decks that see more play put up more results. Decks that put up results see more play.

A guy near me has been doing really well with Tezz. It isn't a cheap deck, but if you play it well and build it correctly you can pretty easily take down a room full of Delver and Miracles.

i hate miracles cause it straight up killed countertop decks.

Check out Joe Losset's tezzeret list from the legacy mediocre league.

Heres the list that I like. Its all about metagame decisions, I like 4 Bridge right now

1 [R] Badlands
1 [EX] City of Traitors
1 [OD] Darkwater Catacombs
1 [UNH] Swamp
1 [M15] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 [R] Volcanic Island
2 [WWK] Creeping Tar Pit
2 [UNH] Island
2 [R] Underground Sea
4 [TE] Ancient Tomb
4 [KTK] Polluted Delta
4 [TE] Wasteland
4 [C13] Baleful Strix
2 [CNS] Dack Fayden
4 [MBS] Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
1 [10E] Crucible of Worlds
1 [FD] Engineered Explosives
1 [FUT] Sword of the Meek
1 [C13] Thopter Foundry
1 [C14] Trading Post
1 [DS] Trinisphere
2 [CMD] Dimir Signet
2 [MR] Talisman of Dominance
4 [MR] Chalice of the Void
4 [8E] Ensnaring Bridge
4 [SH] Mox Diamond
2 [C13] Toxic Deluge
2 [AQ] Transmute Artifact
SB: 1 [NPH] Batterskull
SB: 1 [U] Forcefield
SB: 1 [AL] Helm of Obedience
SB: 2 [NPH] Spellskite
SB: 1 [DGM] Notion Thief
SB: 4 [M11] Leyline of the Void
SB: 2 [DTK] Kolaghan's Command
SB: 2 [M11] Pyroclasm
SB: 1 [LG] The Abyss

Tezzerator is decent.
Other decks that don't need to run RL cards:
>D&T
>Manaless Dredge
>Affinity (Aggro Robots)
>Eldrazi
>8Rack
>Merfolk

That Forcefield is a pretty spice meatball, my friend. needs more chainz tho

Eldrazi needs Cities, 8rack needs to remove all of the bad cards and swap in smallpox, rit, and chains. D&T is great though, Merfolk is pretty fun, and Affinity is pretty fun + good at being worse Elves.

isn't miracle the CounterTop of our era?

Tfw you type up a post on your phone, solve the capcha, and 4chin eats the post and you have to retype.
>Maindeck Staff of Nin
>Maindeck Misdirection
I swear, competitive legacy deckbuilders must have some proprietary drug they shoot up before coming up with this shit

Have you tested a singleton Academy Ruins?

You mean Miracles isn't Countertop by another name?

Thanks!
Isn't Darkwater Catacombs a strictly worse Sunken Ruins, though?

Countertop used to include a bunch of different midrange decks like Bant Countertop with Knights

What it does is let you make UB without needing another colored land. You don't have any double colored spells so Sunken Ruins is a little less good.

I like the one of academy. There is a lot of competition for land slots, so it's a matter of how important you think it is.

If you had to ban one card from Miracles, which one would it be?

Brainstorm

>deck has Terminus, Counterbalance, Sensei's Divining Top
>bans the inoffensive card draw instead
I'll never understand Brainstorm haters.

>brainstorm is inoffensive
>terminus is overpowered

Wut?

Without brainstorm, terminus is a shitty card.

What's an O'brien deck?

usc.edu/dept/Deckmasters/archive/mtg/som5.4

The old schools of magic, things have changed but the basics still apply

If you could guarantee one card in your opening hand when playing your favorite deck(s), what would it be?

>DnT: Thalia or Revoker, depending on the meta
>Miracles: Top

DnT: Aether Vial
Shardless: DrS
Painter: Top
Delver: Brainstorm

Crusader is better against against the BG base decks (BUG in particular) and holds equipment better, but Heretic is better against the rest of the field, miracles in particular.

Mox Diamond with aggro loam

Thought Knot Seer in both Eldrazi lists?

What are DnT players cutting for her, just the random threes like flikerwisp and crusader?

Why is she good against a deck with 6 basics and 2 creatures?

Flickerwisp is pretty key, crusader is probably the cut. There are 3-4 flex slots in the deck.

I'm assuming its bc they run lots of fetches to make top better, but I don't play with or against either deck much

Legendary is more relevant (Karakas) than the stronger offense, and it still messes with the other 20 lands.

Still, messing with third land drop seems slow. If you're looking for a 3 power 3 drop, Brimaz just seems better. I don't really think anyone would be considering her if she wasn't named "Thalia"

Gotta be Doomsday. You can guess which deck.

>Still, messing with third land drop seems slow.
In a deck other than DnT, maybe. But with all the other stax effects it becomes back-breaking.

It's powerful early, but if they have 2 turns to develop mana its not going to be backbreaking. It seems pretty slow without a vial and a port in play. Furthermore, it isn't a question of it being a bad card. It's just worse than your other options.

Exhume.

I mean, it tutors like half the cards in the deck.

Playing Imperial Taxes. Vialing in a Magus is great. "I'd like to respond to that" they say. "You would have liked to respond to that" I reply.

Here you go guys, your very own "rev for 15" guy.

>Vintage

Type 1 you mean

>things have changed
I'll say
>2. No reliance on combinations. You want to build in the possibility of a combination (as you do with Rasputin Dreamweaver + BIG Fireball, or Mana Drain into a Jade Statue or something like that)

Yeah, nowadays you just Rasputin into Sphinxes Rev. Much more efficient.

ok, thanks for the advice! I'll practice Tezzerator decks in legacy and modern. If I like it, I'll buy the modern version, eventually building my way into legacy!

here's my Modern list, it's pretty fun, but still working on it so it's prone to change tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-07-16-ub-tezzerator/

Thanks, I appreciate seeing different takes on the deck. We're technically in Modern territory, so I posted a question in there in order not to derail the Legacy thread:

>that deck

We dont need this meme here.

Does the Painter's Servant deck see much play? Is it any good?

It's a good deck and it would be Tier 1 if it was more accessible I think. As it stands, it doesn't see too much play because you need four Imperial Recruiter, which are rare, expensive, and don't really go into anything else except Aluren and D&T.

This assumes you're talking about the R/w version, which is what people mean 99% of the time when talking about Painter. The U/R version is not really played very much and tuned lists probably don't exist online, so it's a lot riskier.

It suffers from a lack of pilots, but the people who play it love it. It gets decent penetration for how few people are playing it, and would probably be a lot more prevalent if someone could figure out how to beat miracles consistently.

The legacy version is tough, but very rewarding. You need to play the control role and try to reduce the number of outs they have, so it does require format knowledge to play optimally. Don't be surprised if you open with a losing streak.

What do people think of sideboarding Path in DnT?

What does Staff of Nin maindeck even do? The fastest you can play it is prob turn 3 off sol land signet opener. I guess it kills mom, thalia, pyromancers, and unflipped delvers.

What's the top 5 non RL Legacy playables you want to see in Conspiracy 2 or Commander 2015?
>Careful Study
>Disenchant
>Diabolic Edict
>Nether Shadow
>Engineered Plague

All this shit is hard as fuck to get NM nowadays, not OP for casual products but too stronk for muh standard babbies-

And kills almost everything in elves except deathrite

Its a personal howling mine that can win through a bridge.

Imperial Recruiter
Rishadan Port
Flusterstorm
Goblin Settler
Grim Tutor

>Ancient Tomb (with 200% less spooky art)
>Ancient Tomb (without anus mana)
>Chalice of the Void
>Doomsday
>Dark Ritual done by Terese

Fair enough, but so does having Bridges maindeck

Dealing 15-20 damage over 15-20 turns. Jesus, at that point Idol might be better.

Its more a draw engine. To be fair, i hate that build of Tezz, and don't like any of Joes legacy builds

>Faeries in Engineered Plague art, done by Rebecca Guay
I would be so hard

Just beat Doomsday twice in a row as DnT. I had enough time to land lock pieces every game, some through Therapy. Most games I was able to protect myself from sweeper by applying enough manabase pressure that he couldn't Burning Wish or by simply not playing out any real Plains. I never feared getting killed before I could land something.

ok

And I've bear DnT as DDFT through onboard thalia, canonist, and spirit of the labyrinth. Not saying it's a good matchup for the doomsday player, but it's not so bad. Experience on both sides makes a lot of difference.

exploration in rug lands

Of the decks I played
>Storm: Brainstorm actually, probably the best way to start and find gas
>All Spells: Balustrade Spy
Of the decks I play
>Dredge: Looting or Breakthrough, depends on the rest of the hand

good against eldrazi

What in the name of Urza

>15 targets
why
although the though of a dedicated turn 1 reanimation deck using something like an inquisition core could be funny

Does anyone else have that one deck they just hate playing against? For me it's Shardless. Losing to BumblingRetard.dek feels bad