/aSoIaF/ General

How minor is 'minor'? Any one that isn't a great house or something like the Westerlings?

The House will disappear to the past, and some new lordling will take up the holdings.

I was thinking below the likes of Hightower/Frey. Third of fourth rate houses

I'd consider those both to be major houses second tier to only the regional lords (Stark, Lannister, etc). -Maybe- Frey could be considered third rate before the Red Wedding but even then they'd be on the border. Hightower on the other hand is absolutely one of the most powerful houses in the Reach, possibly second to the Tyrells themselves and the Gardeners before them.

He said the kinds of houses you'd find serving under those ones you goof

Shit, he did.

Sooo how is the Song of Ice and Fire RPG anyway? I've been getting really into the setting with a friend and we've talked about maybe running a game, but neither of us know anything about the system.

House creation is freaking awesome. The rest of the rules are rather hard to get your head around.

Sammy a beast

Its alright. Its the kind of system where everyone is allowed to build their own niches. On the flip side there are a shit-ton of rules that you might end up not using for the sake of simplicity.

As long as you keep things grounded you should be good.

Reeds

Some good stuff, some bad stuff.
It works better at what it does then a general system would, but it could stand some improvements too.
The sidebars about numbers on House Creation for Influence and Land mean are ALL WRONG, and it feels like they were written before anyone knew what the system was actually going to be like or by someone who's never seen the rules.

That's just easy fluff to fix though.

>Who is best minor house ?
THE FIRE RISES

>I want to live forever in a land where summer lasts a thousand years. I want a castle in the clouds where I can look down over the world. I want to be six-and-twenty again. When I was six-and-twenty I could fight all day and fuck all night. What men want does not matter. Winter is almost upon us, boy. And winter is death. I would sooner my men die fighting for the Ned's little girl than alone and hungry in the snow, weeping tears that freeze upon their cheeks. No one sings songs of men who die like that. As for me, I am old. This will be my last winter. Let me bathe in Bolton blood before I die. I want to feel it spatter across my face when my axe bites deep into a Bolton skull. I want to lick it off my lips and die with the taste of it on my tongue.
-Hugo "Big Bucket" Wull

George Rape Rape Martin is a fucking hack who substitutes splatterporn and tittyporn for writing ability.

That is all.

And I love him for it.

>the Ned

I fucking love the mountain clans.

The Mountain Clans are barely removed culturally from the Free Folk themselves it seems.

As long as you can into dice pools it's fairly easy to pick up, though social combat takes a little learning. Like anons have said a little refluffing is us in order, but nothing too major. Things like pond meaning small lake and stream meaning small river. I like to use fighting as part of combat defense as well. You can check out some of the archived quests to give yourself some ideas of how stuff works. I'd recommend karban or harrock, as bourdain was initially rolled wrong and is stupidly powerful.

They were one of the best parts of ADWD for me.

>When Stannis has to explained why someone is named "Big Bucket"

>Greyjoy Rebellion Edition

Okay, so, we had Yara/Asha team up with Dany in the TV series. Dany told her the raiding would come to an end. Think she has a better use for them, though? Seems to me they should be allowed to maintain some arable farmland on the mainland and used as explorers/settlers. Just upending their way of life and economy is going to cause another rebellion down the road.

I wish I had someone to play the LCG with. It looks like a lot of fun. Rather like L5R without the massive cash investment.

I played the hell out of the first iteration of the boardgame. You really started up in each others' faces though. It was very unforgiving and a faction could get wiped within the first few turns. If one player wasn't really trying the whole dynamic would get skewed.

Raid, reeve and raping will never end. As long ass it's OTHER nations WAAAAY over there that they raid, reeve and rape im sure no one will notice

>Daenerys
>Thinking things through
nah

What did Robert Baratheon look like before he became a fat, degenerate slob?

Tall, strong and handsome. He could wield his warhammer with one hand. Eddard could barely lift it with both of his.

He was an xboxhuge warrior lord who swung a giant hammer around like it was made of plastic. He one-shot Rhaegar with it.

The Ironborn aren't really that dependent on reaving anymore and haven't been for some time. Aside from Balon's Rebellion and Balon's Rebellion 2: Drowned God Boogaloo I doubt they've even been able to do much raiding of the mainlands since becoming part of the Aegon's Kingdoms seeing as raiding your peers who are all now united (most of the time) is something that will probably get your shit kicked in.

Ironborn are a lot like Klingons. You know the question that pops up on Veeky Forums from time to time about how the Klingons can have things like science and infrastructure when they're supposedly a 'warrior' race? It's like that. The truth is, of course, that while the Klingons might romanticize honor and battle in their culture, in reality all but the most extreme members understand that you have to do other things as well to get shit done.

Same with the Ironborn. They might all circlejerk each other about who loves the Drowned God most at a Kingsmoot, but in day to day life a lot of them have been farming and fishing and finding other more mundane ways of living for generations.

I don't suppose you live in the Twin Cities (MN)?

The reason they're raiding and shit is that they really can't do anything else. What does Daemerys do when a really brutal winter come along? Let them die out?

And they do reave, they just do it on the stepstones as they agreed with Aegon, but Daenerys seems to imply no reaving ever

>The reason they're raiding and shit is that they really can't do anything else. What does Daemerys do when a really brutal winter come along? Let them die out?

So long they arent mean it is okay.

By all accounts their duel lasted a while. The stroke that stove in Rhaegar's chest was not the first one.

If Euron actually has Valyrian Steel Armor, why didn't he wear it at the Kingsmoot to appear more intimidating?

>If Euron actually has Valyrian Steel Armor,

Jesus Christ. How does one get so much Valyrian steel ?

Presumably he recovered it from the ruins of Valyria, which is still suspicious to me (did it have his exact proportions?)

>I have only seen the show

He's right though, he's massively overrated

Actually, no.
The Iron Islands DO have both arable land and fishing waters, they just like raiding. As a point of fact, nearly none of what they take is foot, instead taking valuables or captives for thralldom.
They then use these thralls to farm the arable land on the Iron Islands because their religion says they can't.

The prior two generations of lords (especially the last) before Balon actually kept raiding to a bare minimum and what they could take and couldn't take was strictly limited by Balon's father, and they didn't starve even once.
The Iron Born don't need to raid to survive anymore, and several times in their history they have gone without it, especially as their raiding has traditionally been less then successful. It's only even working now because everyone's at war and were they not then they'd get their shit packed in AGAIN, like the last three times they tried it.

They just romanticize the fuck out of the raiding periods, that's all.
Like white folks in America above the age 60 romanticize the 1950's.

So raping and pillaging is their childhood smoking drinking and eating jello brand mastic?

Only they don't, friend, Aeron mentions that the soil is too poor to support grain so they're forced to either mine and trade or fish.

And they didn't keep reaving to a bear minimum, Balons grandad was Dagom Greyjoy, who caused a bit of a crisis when he started raising the Westerlands and the North and killed the stark lord.
And even Quellon raided in the stepstones and the summer sea alongside Dagmar, Euron and Balon.

I'd suggest you read up on why northmen went Viking, seeing as the Iron born face the same issues

>Only they don't, friend, Aeron mentions that the soil is too poor to support grain so they're forced to either mine and trade or fish.

>Thralls are used for farming and mining, activities which the ironmen consider unsuitable for free men.
>farming

From The World of Ice and Fire. They at the very least have some farmland.

I'm going by the books, not the world book filled with errors

Do like the Farwynds said and point those fuckers at Asshai.

Sponsor a host of second born sons to colonize the stepstones, give yourself a good base to police slavers bay and keep those other fuckers in line.

Recolonize Skane.

Implying Aeron's not just spreading drowned God propaganda. Root vegetables will grow just about anywhere.

>Do like the Farwynds said and point those fuckers at Asshai.

because the first thing the "Os" world needs is Draugr walking around its ocean floros

>growing shit when you can just take it from the green men

I imagine it has to do with the fact that Valyrians would spellbound their armors and weapons, Aeron does make note that the armor is inlaid with glyphs and runes. Perhaps that has something to do with the armor automatically fitting Euron.

As long as it's not Full Plate, many types of armor are easily refitted. With Scale or Lamellar or even Brigandine you can shuffle around the plates around, and it's probably easier to pop a Valyrian rivet from Mail than to resize a Breastplate.

That being said, even in Westeros there are a few smiths who can rework Valyrian, presumably there are in other parts of the world as well.

Exactly my point, he's downplaying their ability to farm to promote reaving.

>I'd suggest you read up on why northmen went Viking, seeing as the Iron born face the same issues

They didn't? Like, barely any did.
Almost all Northmen stone writing FROM THE ACTUAL TIME PERIOD they existed (as opposed to the sagas written centuries after they had converted to Christanity) by Juts, Geats, and Danes are about merchant transactions, selling cheese and buying wool and shit like that.

The Danes invaded England though, that did indeed happen.
Do you believe they wore horned helmets too?

And Northern France, and Russia, and Iran come to think of it.

They traded with Northern France too.
And Russia. And Iran. Probably the Skaelings as well, for that matter.
They weren't a culture of 100% warrior raiders with women and children staying behind; they were just a culture like any other that happened to be REALLY good at sailing everywhere, including their pirates.

Is it really their fault that unarmed Christian monks are the easiest to steal from and have the nicest shit to steal and also happened to be quite capable of writing out their experiences and preserving them while so few others did at the time?

Why would he be spreading propaganda when he's thinking to himself? Is he brainwashing himself?

You're missing Africa by the way, some folks think there's evidence of them having sailed there to take a look around.

>They weren't a culture of 100% warrior raiders with women and children staying behind; they were just a culture like any other that happened to be REALLY good at sailing everywhere, including their pirates.
Hell yeah, best sailors and farthest reaching merchants around.

Possibly.

I knew they sailed in the Mediterranean, makes sense that they would have had contact with at least north Africa.

>Hell yeah, best sailors and farthest reaching merchants around.
They really were.
They got around on a level that most cultures wouldn't replicate until the 17th century and they did before we even hit quadruple digits on the Calendar.
>I knew they sailed in the Mediterranean, makes sense that they would have had contact with at least north Africa
I do not know the details, but this makes sense to me as well.

sometimes i wish /TV/ wasint shit so i could actually talk about this more

>Daily reminder that dorne is now shit

The Phoenecians had travelled as far North as the Orkneys and Faeros, West to the Scillies and as far East as Sri Lanka (At least) over a thousand years before the first Vikings climbed into a longboat.

>I do not know the details, but this makes sense to me as well.
I got curious and googled "vikings in africa" and this was one of the top results.
>mfw
africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-bla-maors-the-black-vikings-and-the-black-danes-compiled-by-invasion2012/

...

in the show. Dorne is getting exciting in the books. Doran and Arianne are getting involved in the Aegon plot and Darkstar (yes, Darkstar) will probably be up to some nefarious shit.

also, /TDQR/

Half of the 'Generals' on Veeky Forums exist largely because /tv/ and /v/ are shit.

Welcome to Veeky Forums, dumping ground for threads other boards' mods don't want to deal with.

The strongest and best looking man in the seven kingdoms according to Ned

>implying this isn't shit
WEW

At least you all are mostly on topic.

>OP pic
But Robert was the one who pardoned them all and let them keep their shit stained islands.

They should have bent the neck rather than the knee.
youtube.com/watch?v=WkmQiIBd12s

And the other half exist solely for waifuing.

Well yeah, Veeky Forums in general is pretty shit, but some boards are shitty even by shit's standards.

>Fifteen years past, when they had ridden forth to win a throne, the Lord of Storm's End had been clean-shaven, clear-eyed, and muscled like a maiden's fantasy. Six and a half feet tall, he towered over lesser men, and when he donned his armor and the great antlered helmet of his House, he became a veritable giant. He'd had a giant's strength too, his weapon of choice a spiked iron warhammer that Ned could scarcely lift. In those days, the smell of leather and blood had clung to him like perfume.
>"but no homo", Ned thought to himself.

Fuck the Greyjoys, fucking edgelord bandits.

I think most of us agree that the ironborn are scum, but they're honestly the most interesting culture with the most interesting PoVs in the series

Nah Victarion is based retard bro, Theon's chapters are GOAT, Euron's an absolute madman and Aeron's is an interesting character.

The only shitty one is Asha

i agree about povs but their culture is shitskin tier
one has to wonder how the fuck did robert allowed balon and half of his islands live

>Greyjoys
>edgelord bandits

That's not how you spell Boltons

I liked Asha up until she bombarded me with 200 "Nuncles".

For me that's part of the appeal. Their culture is so batshit crazy and they cling to a myopic Ironborn Stronk mentality which constantly leads them to devastating defeat.

But they're totally devoted to it and are largely unable to compromise on any of it. It's great.

I think that description requires at least three no-homos

Cleganebowl when?

I'm surprised everyone keeps forgetting the fact that neither of them are really Cleganes anymore.

>Victarion got hard thinking about fucking Asha

Victarion is an honorary Targaryan.

>Darkstar

I still cannot take that name seriously.

To be fair, it sounds worse than it is. In the context of most skilled Daynes being the Sword of the Morning, but he is of the Night, it makes sense.

out of context, it's literal Nothin Personnel anime villain tier.

It doesnt help he got black hair with a white stripe.

I want to beleive this girl is taking it in the ass
i really do

And that he cuts a girl's ear off as part of a political intrigue and is like "nothing personnel, kid"

I really don't understand Eddard and Robert's purported friendship. Maybe it was different before Robert became king, but in the timeline of AGOT it's always "Ned, lets fuck some bitches and kill the last targaryean", with Eddard being a killjoy and just pissing him off until they make up again few paragraphs later.

Well, it's the story of disappointing reunions. Ned and Robert were the best of friends as teenagers. Even good young men like Ned look up to their rogueish womanising buddies. The difference is that Ned grew up and matured, he became a family man with a respect for life, and war changed him. Robert didn't want to grow up. War AND kingship changed him too, but, in a bad way. He missed fighting, since that was what he really loved doing. He was depressed- the hole that his parents left, coupled with his perfect image of Lyanna lost forever, left him as a depressed, alcoholic man that turned to food and excessive whoring to fill that hole. Robert wasn't a family man, he didn't care for his brothers or his children, he hated Cersei, and all he had was the court to entertain him, which of course would have been full of sycophants and enablers- and pathetic drunks like Thoros, who Robert could relate to.

Opposite attract.
Ned was honorable and somber, while Robert was a whoremongering fun loving drunkard

They have both changed a lot and havnt seen each other in years. Eddard is very dissapointed in Robert.

Ned was fostered with Robert; they grew up as brothers.

They sort of served as foils for each other; Robert new how to have fun, and Ned knew how to think things through. They were a good power duo.

Ned didn't want to kill Daenarys because in his mind it was murdering a child who he didn't suspect had any particular ambitions. That of course didn't sit well with someone as Lawful Good as Eddard Stark. Ned also saw it as rather out of character for Robert, who remember felt more than a little regret for the horrific way Elia Martell's children died.

It's heavily implied Robert was once much more pragmatic and level-headed than he was when he first appears in GoT. Ned feels more than a little disappointed in the man who he once saw as a brother.

They both reminded each other of the other's eldest brother, but in a way they could relate too more then their actual brother.