Star Trek General

I can almost hear it begging to be put down like a sick dog. Akira and Nova class are the go to post tng ship-waifu.

I mean, I don't find it to be a bad ship. For an escort style it seems to just fine, but gorgeous? I really can't agree with that because I find it a little bland. But, its definitely better than "lets take the enterprise and put the nacelles on like this and over here! Yeah new ship class!"

Also the engineering is dreamy.
I bet it could jettison the nacelles and the entire drive section in an emergency.
I also bet that it could be adapted so that the nacelles can be retracted further forward so that the drive section and the deflector hit the backside of the saucer. That way the nacelles would be better protected during atmospheric flights.
Plus the entire thing looks small and comfy.
much like the nova here.

forgot the picture
lovely lovely quasar variant nova

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!

seeIt's just neat.
Compact, no particularly painfully weak structural elements and no weird thrust vectoring issues like some other classes.

I've watched all of TOS and a couple of the TNG movies but haven't watched the show yet.

Where to go to get deeper into the "prime" timeline's lore?

Also, I actually liked Beyond and I have a crush on Jaylah so intense it makes me think I may now know what it is to have a waifu

In beyond the only real problem is that the first half was so so much worse than the second.
That and the glaring obvious plothole at the end.

While I agree the Nova is a lovely ship, why does STO insist on doing things like your pic to perfectly good ships. Is it the Tellarites? Those filthy pig men ruin everything.

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Miranda Class is best class.

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The quasar class is a lot nicer than the nova. It doesn't look stretched any more, and it actually looks like it could make an atmospheric reentry without the nacelles breaking off, because of paperthin struts.
Plus it looks more compact and more comfy, and better armored.

I would so spend years lost in the galaxy inside of it.

If you want to get deeper with research, Memory Alpha is the place to go, otherwise there is the awful slog through TNG which only gets enjoyable after a couple seasons. Then you get the fun of DS9, but then you get voyager. I personally don't consider Enterprise part of the Prime canon since it has more in common with the Abramsverse. That said, every episode with Andorians and Tellarites made me happy even though I disliked that series.

I was always rather fond of the Akula.

Also, Beyond was a lot of fun for Action-Trek.

>this advanced sexual position is a part of klingon mating rites and should not be attempted by beginners

Well, best TOS class. The refit is good too, but it has to comet with the Excelsior.

>asymmetrical nacelles
I wonder how that affects its warp capabilities.

*compete

Fucking auto correct.

Well it's good for what it's supposed to be.
A small. lightweight dime a dozen sturdy training vessel.

Also that shape always makes me wonder why the front of the saucer section is even necessary.
Seems like they could've just cut it off where the thicker rear section ends and not much would have been lost.

>TOS Miranda
I never knew what love was until now.

Didn't seem to cause a problem on the constellation class.

I don't think that it would actually.
The breen have all their ships completely just thrown together.

Except the Miranda class isn't small, lightweight, dime a dozen or a training vessel. They were on par with Constitution and Constitution-refits, which they were more heavily armed than. They were also modular. You ask why the rest of the front end, well you don't break tradition now do you? Federation ships have saucers, so you put the damn saucer on it.

>well you don't break tradition now do you? Federation ships have saucers, so you put the damn saucer on it.
And this is why i hate the federation.

>isn't small, lightweight, dime a dozen or a training vessel.
The miranda class is tiny as all the engineering section is jammed into the saucer section as well, the thickest part of which is barely thicker than the enterprise.
It's a dime a dozen in the refit era, and the modularity makes it perfect for a training vessel.
I'll give you heavily armed though. It's a shame what STO did to its armaments.

A deflector shield array needs those strong, radiating lines from the center of the saucer to work, at least by Federation design philosophy. This is also the reason behind the radiating lines on a Klingon bird of prey's wings.

Bizarre as it may seem, the Federation tends to design their ships in the simplest way possible with the technology available. Designs like the Ferengi Marauder are a result of aesthetics over design.

>the Ferengi Marauder
The ferengi marauder?
It looks considerably simpler than most federation ships and definitely a lot fucking simpler than anything the klingons ever built.

That is definitely one of the better takes on "TOS Miranda" I've seen.

Though I've always thought the idea of such an extensive refit program as what the Connies went though (basically near complete reconstruction) was absurd. It probably would've been cheaper to just build completely new ships.

Probably doesn't have nearly the same operational range though.

God damn I'd love to play a TOS game. I'd even bite the bullet and play the party red shirt.

Plus it's also roughly circular.

Best ship to run a game in coming through.

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>And this is why i hate the federation.
I really don't understand this sort of attitude when it comes to Star Trek. The Enterprise when it first showed up was an incredibly striking ship it was distinctive and its odd build said "this is the future, this isn't a rocket ship, its a STARSHIP." Everyone knows the Enterprise, so why would you make a completely different type of design when you can borrow from the iconic one. With the older Federation ships a good portion of people will be able to tell you its Star Trek, and for those in the know they are instantly recognizable as Federation ships. No offense to the Steamrunner, but when I first saw it years ago I didn't know it was a Star Trek ship, let alone an official one, or a Federation one.

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>the all redshirt party

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The Archer Class is pretty sweet.

Slap it onto the "Prime Team" Concept from Prime Directive (the ADB/Star Fleet Battles universe RPG) but maybe in the normal TOS universe and you're good to go.

>Best ship until you have to share it with a Tellarite.

And then best ship again because your first officer is a Deltan

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But... but you can't even put a shuttle in there.
It's ridiculously tiny.

If we're going small ships i'd rather pick a nova variant which can fit 50 people max and 20 comfortably.
Or even the ship from beyond.

Does seem super comfy though.

Yeah that's sortof my point though.
"Yet another enterprise clone"
Is not what i'm looking for.
Plus, as the large variety of starships in the startrek universe proves, the federation standard ship design isn't the only way to go about building a starship that's not a rocket ship.
And the variants that i like, be it the akira refit, the nova class quasar variant, or the steamrunner, prove that it is possible to have distinctly federation looking ships without them being incredibly clunky and honestly not that neat looking.

Take the Enterprise NX-1 or this ship from Beyond.

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fuck.
stop it you're making my heart ache that i can't play that.

Best thing is, the Archer keeps the players from excessively abusing Treknology (even TOS more "basic" tech). Its got no small army of redshirts, it lacks the firepower to level a continent (a couple small defensive phasers and you can fire a Photon torpedo out the probe launcher, but you can carry probably single digit numbers of those if you're willing to take up most of your cargo space), no excessive engineering department to build your bullshit.

Fuck, I think it doesn't even have a transporter? I can't remember.

Thats why I said its a good fit for the"Prime Team" concept. A half-dozen or so highly skilled and cross-trained officers who go around taking on high priority tasks, like a team of Commando-Diplomat-Scientists.

The Archer is basically the TOS equivalent of the DS9 Runabout.

Anyone else say "Oh hey, its a Loknar class!" when they saw the Franklin?

Cause I felt like a massive nerd when I did...

What went wrong?

Roddenberry, Gene

The DS9 danube class was a glorified shuttle though.

I have never heard of that class before.

It was a conscious decision on Roddenberry's part to not make it look like a gun once he got more oversight over the project.
TNG was supposed to be more of a peaceful civilization facing threats. Humanity is supposed to have left its warlike nature behind, and the shave of the standard armaments was supposed to signify that this was an instrument for dealing with a problem and not a gun to shoot things with.

Also this is why i cannot stand DS9 and its "war. war never changes." attitude.

I gotta say though,this model of phaser is fucking sexy as hell.

>I have never heard of that class before.

Its from the old FASA Trek materials.

whew cadets

Still amused the away team uniforms from that movie were just surplus military sweaters.

I don't think they even dyed them.

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That looks like literally before my time.
>not saying "come!"
such a missed opportunity.

>Bones with his medical phaser

But the Steamrunner and quasar aren't neat looking, the Quasar looks like a Nova that was built by Klingons, the Steamrunner has the same aesthetics as a 90s sports car, and the Akira and NX are saucers and two tubes just like most federation ships.

The Franklin is sexy though.

FASA Trek was from the mid/late 80s. It was actually semi-official canon right until TNG decided to ignore it all a few episodes in and kicked over their sandcastle (though references to some of the material did make it into a few S1 episodes, IIRC).

Some of the adventure modules weren't that bad, actually.

And now I feel nerdy and old.

Don't look at vaporizing badguys as breaking the hypocratic oath, look at it as preventive medicine.

das is niiiiiiiiiiice

What is your favorite Star Trek species? I have a soft spot for klingons, even tough they can be pretty stupid and are destined to be jobbers.

There is a Star Trek Admiral but I stopped trying to force it because it never got much response. Then again neither did my aSoIaF General and now that seems to have taken off.

I can certainly put the Admiral up as the next thread is this one is popular enough to warrant it.

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The klingons don't add symmetrical and neat looking armor plates on their ships in dynamic looking patterns.
They also don't build small comfy looking ships that look like a chibi version of a bigger starship except with extra armor.

90s sportscars also did not have angles. If anything i'd compare the steamrunner to a koenigsegg.
>pic related

The franklin is too bulky looking, but it has that nice "old-timey and comfy" feel.

"canon" in startrek is a weird thing anyway. Roddenberry said anything on a screen was canon, and this was a huge opportunity for games involving the original actors, but they fucked themselves over by being self contradicting.

And i personally totally wanted STO to be canon because of all the actors involved and because it was a nice story up until they wet and fucked up a story-arc that spanned IRL 30 years.

I'm sorry there's no reason for that though. Most of what i do know about startrek comes from around that period too so yea.

Andorians.
They have 4 genders apparently.
Alternatively romulans because they are like vulcans except without the rectal broomstick problem.

I always almost suffocate every time i see this.
The best part is the "official" on top.

Sounds good!

I know I'm the minority here, but I don't care, TOS Klingons will always be the best Klingons.

Sci-Fi Cold-War Russian-expy Space Khan Mongols who are cunning and clever (while still being somewhat honorable) beats the shit out of war-obsessed hypocritical Berserker Samurai-Vikings who make you wonder how they even function as a society without killing themselves off (I did appreciate some of the fun poking at this in later series like that one old Klingon fart in Enterprise who complains about how youth just wants to be soldiers and who will be the doctors and teachers).

Humans.

Because no other species bones as many hot alien babe's as we do.

Alternatively, Andorians.

I'm in a Star Trek game that's proving interesting so far, though we've only had a couple of sessions.

It's just after the dominion war with the PCs all on their cadet cruise.

The biggest issue we had getting it all set up was with my PC. Mostly because Starfleet Intelligence doesn't have a set colour or a statement of where it fits in the existing ones. Eventually we just went 'Fuck it, Command Red' due to it's tendency to Need to Know at things.

The PCs are

>Human JAG Command Officer (Actual command when the captain lets us test our skills, Throwing the law at things)
>Vulcan Intelligence Officer (Sensors, Punching Things and Getting into arguments with other Vulcans)
>Ktarian Sciences Officer (Space Magic and Helmsman)
>Brakkan (Amphibian race, player found the Race Creation rules) Engineering Officer. (Lying about not being able to give it any more power, eating flies)

We've ended up doing our cadet cruise in a retrofitted Defiant class with most of the weapons taken out after the Dominion War in favor of more scientific and crew space.

Notable things so far:

>The Vulcan has managed to piss off her commanding officer (Another Vulcan) and get herself written down insubordinate tendencies.
>We discovered Orion slavers attacking a merchant ship in a nebula and have engaged in a rescue mission with the actual captain giving us command for this.

No I agree, the classic Klingons were great. They were a legit threat and were always up to something.

Later series Klingons were okay but were pretty much an entirely different race than originally portrayed.

Agreed on Andorians, the 4 genders thing is a bit odd since it came from a throw away line in TNG about Andorian marriages requiring 4 people.

Now, most people would assume group marriages or polygamy for such a line. But, the crazy loveable beta-canon writers ran with it for the 4 gender thing. Enterprise sort of suggests only two genders though.

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D7 battlecruisers were damn sexy machines and their Captains some of the most intimidating and manly fuckers in existance. You are very correct on TOS Klingons being best Klingons. Tough I found the Movie era ones a nice compromise between the two. They had the strange looks of the later ones but with the culture of the best ones.

Well Klingons never really stopped being cunning and clever.
At least STO brought back a lot of that.
They do understand that not all warfare can happen out in the open. And they only stopped being space khan mongols because the federation negotiated a peace with them.
But they still undermine their now allies just like post cold war russia

Andorians are also blue. That makes them look really cool.
*ba-dumm-tss*

>Enterprise sort of suggests only two genders though.
They can go get fucked.
By all four andorian sexes.
At least it's an interesting take on a species.
And the seemingly two sexes thing is also not really a contradiction since the sexes are essentially masculine male, androgynous male, feminine female, androgynous female.

Could be a MMFF thing. If one goes down the offspring would still be cared for, four people pooling resources can be more stable than two and you and your best bro can solidify your friendship be becoming co-husbands to a pair of blue babes.

Honestly, weird gender stuff is a pretty cool thing to have in Star Trek imo. Races that don't conform to the earth standard makes them actually feel more alien.

>co-husbands to a pair of blue babes.
It really is my favorite version of it.

>At least it's an interesting take on a species.
It is, but working out the logistics of it all, especially with a species that lives on an ice world, is a bit difficult. If they had actually worked out the procreation in a more... biologically/evolutionary sound way maybe I would support it more.

It is completely feasible though.
I've had a long discussion in STO with someone about the genetic diversity and population growth rates that four sexes would mean.

It all works out and the fact that they're in a dangerous environment and have more diversified roles in support of offspring while also ensuring a larger degree of genetic intermixing is tying the whole thing together neatly.

Really a lot of things work out pretty well in startrek that people initially see as unrealistic.
Except for the whole thing where everyone in starfleet is a fucking moron.

But yeah things like the economy for which STO provided the absolutely perfect contradiction free example.

One M and one F provide the gametes. the other M and F combine them. All four parents are invested in raising offspring, providing better odds in an environment that kills their young just by existing.

Here's the OP:

A thread for discussing the Star Trek franchise and it's various tabletop iterations.

Possible topics include the rpgs by FASA, Last Unicorn Games and Decipher, the Starfleet Battles Universe and WizKid's Star Trek: Attack Wing miniatures and game.

Game Resources

FASA's RPG
>mediafire.com/folder/9mt7sng56l8gg/Star_Trek_RPG_(FASA)
mediafire.com/folder/cwn8tbt2qm5t4/FASATREK_Adventures

Last Unicorn Game's RPG
>mediafire.com/folder/9eiysv2192ods/Star_Trek_RPG_(LUG)
-Official and Fanmade Resources
>coldnorth.com/memoryicon/

Decipher's RPG
>mediafire.com/folder/c6tb7p6dp0pye/Star_Trek_RPG_(Decipher)
-Fan Supplements
>strpg.patrickgoodman.org

Far Trek
mediafire.com/folder/lrhbz9l0qay0j/Far_Trek

Laser & Feelings
onesevendesign.com/laserfeelings/

Lore Resources

Memory Alpha - Canon wiki
>en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Portal:Main

Ex Astris Scientia - Fan analyses of ships, tech and continuity issues
>ex-astris-scientia.org

Daystrom Institute Technical Library - Database of ships and technology
>ditl.org

Star Trek LCARS Blueprints Database - Ship schematics, deck plans and recognition manuals
>cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints-main2.php

Star Trek Maps - Based on the Star Trek Star Charts, updated and corrected
>startrekmap.com/index.html

Star Trek Cartography - Information and maps
>stdimension.org/int/

i thought two Ms and one F provided the gametes and the second F carried the baby

Thanks, saved it.

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You are correct according to Memory Beta.

In tg parlance, the Ms double team one of the Fs, who then futas the egg into the other F. Andorians are kinky.

So I heard a new Star Trek rpg is coming out next year

But Far Trek is free and exists now.

>Andorians are kinky.
Which is why i love em.

But imagine what tumblr would be like on andoria.

eeeeeewwwww.
but lol

>the Pakled one

God-fucking-damnit.

Romulans! Of course, I'm also biased because of their splinter faction (that turned into the powerhouse faction) in STO.

Ktarian's player here! Her major focuses are on subspace science, astrophysics, and "normal" physics.

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But the best Trek RPG already exists!

Fuck yeah, STO Romulans