Star Trek General /STG/

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Anyone in a Star Trek Game/How is it going?

I wanted to like it too. I also wanted to like the reboots. But, like you said, the proportions are off, and the characters and plots feel like different people in a different universe with a veneer of TOS over the top of it.

But, I don't want to spew vitriol at the reboots. They won't take away TOS or the other Treks that existed before them.

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Can I spit vitriol at the new series? It's set before TOS, and they apparently want nothing to do with its retro future aesthetic. Is it wrong to want a 2270s show where the Feds have to play politics with the Romulans and Klinks in the Triangle? I mean, the show would have the best uniforms, and would be able to explore cultures that want nothing to do with all three sides, despite being in proximity.

This was a great campaign, but it just kind of randomly ended and moved on to other settings.

We never went back to Risa and lost our Bird of Prey to Ferrengi backstabbing. We managed to escape on a shuttle and ended up stealing a Miranda refit from one of Starfleet's decommissioned ship yards. Our augment engineer tricked it out with a cloaking device. We used it while working towards revenge on the Ferrengi that got us.

We tracked him down to a casino ship and while most of us were plotting how to blow up his ship, Grandpa Klingon wandered aboard and just knifed the bastard in the ribs for what we assume for blowing up his ship or dishonor or something. He was the only one that the Ferrengi had never met since Grandpa always stayed on the ship. Kinda funny in its simplicity. We rescued his drunk ass from station security and made our escape.

We left off around there. We kind of ran out of things to do and needed a change of scenery.

Also our caitian pilot was pretty much fucking everyone at that point, except grandpa.

>tfw you will never be in a star trek campaign

The new series is fair game. I really, really hope they aren't going to use the Phase II starship, but it seems like they're going to. I have no idea why anyone would like that hideous thing.

I'm in one in its very beginning stages; we're using LUG's TNG game, and all of us are fresh midshipmen out of Starfleet Academy, going on our shakedown tour. (We picked that as a group 'cause going the normal route and having a PC be the captain is ugh.)

The game only began about a month ago, and IRL has conspired to have us miss last week's and this week's sessions, but we'll get back into it; we're all the third bridge watch on a retrofitted Defiant-class ship, U.S.S. Eagle, post-Dominion War so half its armaments are stripped out in favor of supply storage and better sensor equipment.

When last we left off, a group of Orion slavers had just finished raiding a civvie transport and abducting the crew; it's falling to us to beat down their shields and beam the transport's crew out.

Its a real shame that none of the new Star Trek stuff seems to really care about Star Trek stuff all too much.

So if the Ferengi disdain fighting, how has nobody fucking taken them over yet?

They can buy plenty of mercenaries to fight for them. Not to mention that their world is a miserable, rainy mudball with no major strategic resources.

I would say that it's more a case of no one wanting to invade rather than no one being able.

They are an alliance with many colony worlds, though.

Because they disdain fighting so much they make OP ships so no one will mess with them. Also, said ships have lots of cargo space and apparently limited crew, so they can do other things besides shoot anyone foolish enough to mess with them.

well, between st09 and SWTFA it is blatantly obvious that JJ has a comically small penis, what other reason is there for making every ship in both universes twice the size of what they used to be

theres no optimism, the whole point of Trek is that it is a Better future but the suits just want pewpew space explosions

they still have a very (eastern) Viking/Varyag like tradition in the Marauders, and its pretty hard to invade somewhere if your fleet has to fend of smegloads of pirates/privateers the entire way in

This.

Every ship in their navy is bulk cargo haulers.

Also bristling with weaponry for a cargo ship because they don't want to be pirated but aren't above doing a bit of pirating of their own should the opportunity arise.

Funny thing about them in STO.
>There's an STF where you gotta defend a planet against a Undine planet killer
>The planet is randomly selected from a small list that includes Andoria and Ferenginar at least
>In this mission you gotta defend three star bases and push back the undine forces
>You can summon reinforcements, set up defenses and upgrade the stations by simply giving them a command
>Except the ones on Ferenginar
>Those ones you have to buy with gold pressed latinum

So yeah, Ferengi are misers even when their home planet is at stake.

>there's no optimism

Earth united and without war for hundreds of years

Discovering strange new worlds, setting up idyllic colonies on strange new worlds and the beginnings of a post-scarcity society.

Technological and medical innovations have cured almost every disease and infirmity and boosted the average life span to something like 120.

The fledgling days of an institution that brings scores of alien civilizations together in the name of peace, understanding and mutual benevolence.

Promiscuous green alien space babes.

ADVENTURE! and a new horizon. New horizons. So many new horizons. So much stuff to look for and look at and prod and study and chart and name and learn about.

>there's no optimism

I'm not seeing that.

Mind you, if you have nothing else to waste your GPL on it's an easy as fuck mission because you can shit out more and better defenses there by going 'Hey, I'm willing to pay stupid money to protect your planet'

There are three versions of Prime Directive.

The Orginal, which is d6 dice pool based but has some quirks.
Then there is the d20 version which is yucky.
Then there is the GURPS version, based on GURPS lite (which comes in as part of the rules so you don't need to buy any other GURPS books).

They all have their issues, but the GURPS one is the better. Just ignore the bits where they use GURPS 3e starship stats because 4e spaceships wasn't out at the time "and they didn't want to waste space".

Has STO improved any? I completed the main story arcs for the Federation, Romulans and Klingons and then did most of the universal arcs as the Federation. But when they started bringing the Elachi and Ionians into it I lost interest quite fast.

After the Iconian war arc we got ourselves a temporal war arc.
Also you can play as 23rd century feddie now, though he has only 5-6 own missions after which he merges with feddie story line.

Also bonus points to this latest season for bringing in the voice talents of Chris Doohan, playing the part of his fathers old role of Scotty and Walter Koenig, voicing Chekov.

So if I was to play a Federation officer in the 23c faction and played it through it would eventually just merge into the start of the main Federation faction story.

I would essentially be starting the Federation story line as a hardened veteran.

I wish I had known that earlier.

If I had know that earlier I would have started as a Vulcan science dude, young and fresh from the academy and then when it did merge with the other story update his appearance to make him look like an aged and grizzly veteran.

Do you get to keep hold of all that sweet looking 23c tech?

You do, yes. You keep using 23c tricorders and such and even get to keep the uniforms if you want.

My only real annoyances: I can't find a way to get more 23c officers (Not really a big issue) + getting high end 23c ship gear can be tricky (But not impossible)

I really wish they had purely visual slots for weapons like they have for engines/shield.

Also you use the original series transporter sound effects and visuals.

>a temporal war arc
Not a huge fan of going anywhere near the Temporal cold war. I think Star Trek has a terrible tendency to write itself into a corner with Time Travel. The only plots that work, in my mind, are those that centre around stopping interference with pre-determined events. And even then, Enterprise proved that those weren't a safe bet either.

>you can play as 23rd century feddie now
Just loaded it up and I definitely like this. A couple of new ship designs. VIc Mignola(from Star Trek: Continues and plenty of other shows) as a Captain. Yes I think I might play through this and then see how I feel about the other future stuff.

As a 23c Feddi which species of the 4 available should I choose?

I'm thinking Vulcan because then I get to pretend that he got to the current era the long way around, alter his appearance to make him look old as balls and get him to choose Engineering as a career path to justify not changing ship in centuries.

I am also going to be using the basic starting ship for as long as possible and just keep upgrading it.

If possible this dude is going to run his entire career in the same ship.

Always human because of the actually useful racial trait.

I asked in the previous thread but got overlooked: can I get a good name suggestion for a female bajoran? I'm usually good at non-human names but for whatever reason I'm coming up short here.

fantasynamegenerators.com/star-trek-bajoran-names.php#.V6xuB-T6tFo

>Wanting to play as Bajoran

She's the second-officer of the mutinous ship my Players are pursuing.

Oh, well in that case, fire at will fellow captain!

B-buh muh 10 million Bajorans!

the new stuff has had everyone and everything being a bunch of shitcunts to everyone else

when Praxis exploded in UC it was a tiny faction in starfleet in favour of letting the klingons die, in ID it exploded long enough ago that Qu'nos's breadbasket has devolved into a wasteland, but for that change to have become the name of the region to people on earth, without any apparent assistance plan and with most of starfleet command actively preparing to invade the empire

now, ive not watched Beyond yet (or even considering it) but conflict against the federation in the past was always territorial not ideological, where as all the promos for Beyond have Idris as violently opposed to the Federation on an ideological terms

How many cardassians died during the Dominion War? Something like 800 million?

Beyond is real good son, you should watch it.

Mostly at the end when they decided to turn on the guys who controlled all the orbital defence sattellites around Cardassia.
They probably could have planned that a bit better to be honest.

honestly, no, powercreep, cooldown reduction and P2W make it either stupidly easy if you buy into them or stupidly hard if you don't

and that was just in one afternoon, on one plannet

as in good as a mindless summer blockbuster or good as in real star trek without the parody versions of the Tos crew and needless horribly mishandled references

nah, for the Cardassian Realpolitik they did it perfectly, they came out of it looking as well as the could after Dukat dragged(/conqured) them into the Dominion

>as in good as a mindless summer blockbuster or good as in real star trek without the parody versions of the Tos crew and needless horribly mishandled references

Like real Trek. It's still a Kelvinverse film so the action is cranked up vs what you'd normally expect in a Trek film, but it's actually kind of intelligent. Like you know the scene in the trailers where Kirk is riding a motorcycle? Yeah that actually has a reason and it actually makes sense and is cool in a way other than "2trek2furious".

The biggest strike against it is that Idris Elba is miss-used until the very end, which is what normally happens when you take a very good actor and cake him under 15 pounds of facial prosthetics.

>and that was just in one afternoon, on one plannet
Garak was such a great character and his breakdown at the series finale with Bashir about everything that's been lost is, in my opinion, his defining moment. DS9 was so good at making you kind of hate the Bajorans and sympathize with the Cardis that it's just heardbreaking what happens at the end.

>muh powercreep
>muh difficulty
STO is an easy game, period. You can do just about anything in basic gear if you have a clue as to what you're doing, and people who actually know what they're doing can rek just about everything. Power creep (more like a power rocket) only really has an effect at the high end; you just have normal power advancement with 80-90% of the players, just enough so that mediocre players can almost carry their weight if they roll a cookie-cutter build.

Reminder that Andorians out barbarian Klingons.

It was a very fun to watch film and would highly recommend it.

Also I'm not going to spoil the shit they got up to at the end but the solution they found could have come from a TOS plot it was that endearingly stupid.

You'd like a "Stitch in Time" is a Garek centric novel that goes over his childhood and progresses to modern times.

Yeah but the Andorians are actually good at it.

in timelines without Humans to prevent the Romulans militarising Vulcan, the Klingons and Andorians form an alliance against Vulcan aggression, and that Klingon-Andorian Compact is a fair approximation of a militant (but not imperial) Federation

Beyond, while not perfect, is miles above the first two films, since its stupidity is in small manageable doses, instead of the huge stupid pills the first two movies shove down your throats.

are they or are they not still acting like the Teen Concept from the SG:1 200ep anniversary?

Well, they are... with the merciful exception of Bones and Spock.

Karl Urban looks like he's going to break his back carrying that film so hard.

They acting is fine. Chris Pine especially actually seems like something reasonably close to James Kirk, albeit still a different character since it is a distinct timeline. He's got this vague weariness to him that I really appreciate that Kirk definitely had in a few episodes of TOS where it seemed like he was really fed-up with all this crap.

Zachary Quinto's not very compelling as Spock though. Leonard Nimoy isn't even in the film and yet his very existence looms so immensely over Quinto's portrayal that it's almost unfair to the guy.

for clarity I mean acting as in the characters attitude, not the performers performance

They're generally more mature where necessary. Chekov still comes off as being kind of a spastic kid but that's largely accurate to his character. If anything Sulu is a little too staid compared to his character in TOS, who was secretly a psychopath I think.

The only character who I feel was off is Spock, which again I think comes from Quinto not really capturing the character as well as everyone else.

You'll be pleasantly surprised by Kirk/Pine I think. He was a joy to watch on the screen.

Have some odd ships /STG/

Why is Star Trek: Attack Wings so fucked up? I mean, I honestly think that the rules and ships are actually better thought out than X-Wing, but the faction system is completely ass backwards. I mean, Bajoran, Vulcan, Kazon, Andorian and Xindi are their own seperate factions, each having only about 2-3 ships.

They should have had 4 major factions, Federation Alliance (Federation, Klingon, Romulan, ETC) Dominion Alliance (Dominion, Cardassians, Breen, ETC) Borg and Independent. If they are determined to get every faction, then they should have those 4 main factions with all of these different sub-factions, each able to join the others of the same faction (E.G. Dominion+Cardassian, Romulan+Klingon, Breen+So'Na, Federation+Vulcan+Bajoran, Xindi+Gorn)

I mean, what's the fucking point of having a Bajoran or Vulcan Fleet?

>powercreep, cooldown reduction and P2W make it either stupidly easy if you buy into them or stupidly hard if you don't

To elaborate on this, this is mostly for PVP. Literally the only way to compete in PVP at all is to buy lockbox and C-Store ships to get the special traits that go with them; if you don't, you'll get instantly stomped by people with automatic damage immunity procs, super speed buffs and so on from paid content.

You can get by fine in PVE just by not being a retard in your build (e.g. stick to a single weapon type, use gear that boosts that weapon type, put points into the critical hit skills), because most of the playerbase are drooling idiots who wouldn't last five minutes if they made the PVE content actually hard.

>what's the fucking point of having a Bajoran or Vulcan Fleet?
for playing in the timelines where they are imperialistic fascists

>I mean, what's the fucking point of having a Bajoran or Vulcan Fleet?

The rules and fleets were written by people who had never actually seen star trek, but were allowed to read the blurb on the back of a DVD box as to what each episode was about.

You mean glorious.

So that people who want to play mirror and alternate universes can have fun?

See

Are these the best unusued TNG/DS9 era uniforms?

It would have been so cool if we got these for the TNG films.

I don't really dig that collar, it makes them look like they're for space chaplains. Other than that, yeah, they might just be.

It's funny, I remember when I was a kid watching TNG and then going on to DS9 I remember thinking the DS9 uniforms were so much better, but when I rewatched Trek later as an adult I found myself really missing the colors .
I think I'm going to use these uniforms for my Trek game; the jacket itself is going to be a cozy synthetic wool fabric, while underneath officers are going to wear all-purpose high-tech hex-cell body suits like what Gene imagined the future would be like (except without causing chronic back problems for everyone who wears them). Perfect comfort, perfect temperature control in any environment, perfectly dirt and water repellent, etc...

Comfy on the outside, business on the inside.

This is essentially what I've been doing in my SFBverse game: everyone wears a high tech bodyglove that seals to a standard issue helmet for a bare-bones NBC/vacc protection. Over that goes the actual uniform, though a few of the factions are markedly minimalistic about it. The Romulan Imperial Navy uses a sash tied around the bodyglove to denote rank and department and to hold the essential tools, a sidearm, and the helmet. Feds preserved their nice uniforms, with the undergarments replaced by the bodyglove. Klingons are in the middle of going back to being space barbarians, so they use armoured bodygloves under a chaotic assortment of clothing, with large, complex, and prominently displayed imperial insignia as the unifying factor.

No, my point wasn't "Why are there ENT ships that aren't Federation?" it was "Why are Vulcan's, Bajorans and Andorians each a unique faction?"

I'm all for having those ships in the game, in fact, I was really happy to hear about those ships being in the game... But it would make them a whole lot better and the game, on the whole, a lot better and a hell of a lot less convoluted if they were just Federation faction. There would be nothing to stop you from having your Terran Empire/Humanless fights, it's just that they would have access to a lot more upgrades and be easier to work into other lists if they were Feddie faction.

At some point i heard something about the Federation members having their own fleets on top of the all purpose Federation fleet which is built with human ship designs only for some reason.

They don't really show any of that stuff. Trek fans are meant to assume all that's still the case in the rebootverse, but all we get in the actual reboot movies is "that dude is being a dick, we must shoot at him with pew pew phasers and then get into a fistfight with him."

I don't dislike the reboot movies, but they're big summer action movies with a little bit of Star Trek mixed in, rather than the other way 'round.

So am I super fucking blind or did the game give me a puzzle with no right solution? Because I am staring at this fucker and nothing is matching.

Looks like the minigame bugged with you.
Just pick any of them and it gives you a new one.

It does however piss me off if the point of divergence, since if it happened solely because of the Kelvin incident, that means Idris Elba's character was abandoned by the Prime Federation and allowed to do all this shit for centuries, and no one found out. Meaning no one in TOS gave a fuck about the guy.

Ship sale on STO is on right now.

arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10113433

So.. who is excited for Modiphius' new upcoming RPG?

Am I correct in thinking that the Bajoran Militia would be disbanded if/when Bajor joined the Federation?

no it wouldn't, every world (other than Earth) keeps their own military as a local defence force

and even if they didn't, the Militia would be kept separate for the simple reason that most of the Militia's General Staff are literally unrepentant terrorists

They might be, but they also might be kept as a police force for policing the Bajoran homeworld and any colonies they might have. Their existing organization might get reshuffled to report to whatever Federation agency is responsible for civilian policing and security.

They likely wouldn't be a part of Starfleet, since Starfleet is essentially a military (albeit one with a greater focus on science and exploration).

The Bajoran Militia would likely be mostly absorbed into Starfleet, with police and reservist duties filled by the remaining Militia.

So in the DS9 relaunch novels does the station remain under Bajoran governance, or does it become an official Starfleet facility?

Not that I'm trying to adhere closely to the relaunch, but it'd be good to know how it was handled there.

I am, given I backed their Infinity RPG on KS...but given how long it's taking I'm not expecting to see the full Trek one until probably 2020.

Starfleet, as Bajor does actually join the Federation. When Terok Nor is destroyed and replaced by the O'Brien designed mega station it becomes even more clear. Ro Laren is also head of the station by that point.

Yeah I know that last point and I'm keeping, because it's hilarious. Especially since my players don't know anything about the relaunches and having them come aboard the station and seeing Ro instead of Kira will be an awesome shock.

Since this one-shot is taking places 10 years after DS9 I'm having it where the station has been massively expanded to include a new outer ring with more pylons.

Kiera and Ro are both terrorists who killed innocent people.

Also Bajorans are one of the shittiest races in star trek.

They make it pretty clear the Nebula was a big mystery zone they couldn't properly explore or do search and rescue in. The admiral lady says that the Enterprise only now is a ship with the equipment to handle it.

As far as Beyond stupidity, I'm still baffled that apparently the Enterprise's bridge window can be blown out.... by handheld phasers.

But that's nothing compared to the retardedness of the first films, with "I am a Romulan who went back in time and am buttmad about Romulus exploding but I will not in any way attempt to warn Romulus about exploding and instead revenge," and beaming anywhere, and death cures.

Opinions on this ?

Bloody cardies don't count as people