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Honestly? Not at all unless there's some insane monarch cards that go into every deck and worth the risk of backfiring. It might make some white a little stronger since it is supported well by things like white likes to do (swarm, pillowforting, removal both mass and targeted), but I've yet to see a strong enough monarch card besides maybe Queen Marchesa which as a commander neither requires or even probably wants to play other monarch cards
Owen Cook
Been dicking around with Mayael and I just cant get over how slow she is. Maybe I'm building wrong, but holy hell is it ever battlecruiser/Timmytown
Robert Perry
Reposting my silly/evil combo so folks will see it. Basically you turn their commander into an equipment, use Magnetic Theft to equip it to a creature token, then phase the token out. The equipment will phase out indirectly along with the token, then the token will cease to exist as a state-based action. The equipment can only phase back in along with whatever it originally left attached to, so it'll remain phased out indefinitely. The player can't simply move the commander to the command zone, as phasing is explicitly not a zone change. There are no effects in the game that can recover a permanent phased out this way, irrevocably locking their commander out of the game.
Bentley Fisher
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Oliver Gutierrez
>playing grixis combo/control >cast phyrexian negator >equip it with darksteel plate and assault suit >give control of it to narset player
The classics will always triumph
Bentley Reyes
You have got to think of it as essentially letting you cast your big creatures for cheap, so focus on utility effects as opposed to just generic fatties. Cards like Blazing Archon, Molten Primordial, Tyrant of Discord, Spearbreaker Behemoth, Terastodon and Woodfall Primus are good examples of cards that yes, are fatties, but fill roles that normally would be assigned to spells or smaller creatures.
Jace Turner
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Lucas Foster
How useful is Muzzio for Sharuum/Sydri decks, really? He seems kinda slow.
Alexander Butler
Doesn't work. Tokens can phase just fine
Camden Lewis
>Tokens can phase just fine And then they cease to exist once they phase out. And all the shit that was equipped to said token goes bye-bye too.
Sydri can do that herself with Mycosynth Lattice already, no?
Parker Gomez
Do you really need Disciple of the Vault and Bitter Ordeal for the combo? If you are struggling with what to cut I would just take out one of them.
Dominic Moore
Oh I missed the Lattice, whoops
Lincoln Morgan
Darien, King of Kjeldor builder back, found some things I'm sitting on. Any more suggestions welcome
Josiah Wilson
It doesn't work, but you're picking the wrong nit.
>702.25f. When a permanent phases out, any Auras, Equipment, or Fortifications attached to that permanent phase out at the same time. This alternate way of phasing out is known as phasing out "indirectly." An Aura, Equipment, or Fortification that phased out indirectly won't phase in by itself, but instead phases in along with the permanent it's attached to. >An Aura, Equipment, or Fortification that phased out indirectly won't phase in by itself, but instead phases in along with the permanent it's attached to.
>An Aura, Equipment, or Fortification >won't phase in by itself, The Commander can phase back in by itself after phasing out indirectly provided it isn't a Aura, Equipment, or Fortification when phasing in tries to happen.
>702.25e. Continuous effects that affect a phased-out permanent may expire while that permanent is phased out. If so, they will no longer affect that permanent once it's phased in. In particular, effects with "for as long as" durations that track that permanent (see rule 611.2b) end when that permanent phases out because they can no longer see it. And it can stop being Equipment while phased out as long as the continuous effect stops applying to it.
Bludgeoning Brawl will stop applying if it is removed, if the Commander starts being a creature, or if the Commander stops being an artifact. Which it will before phasing in occurs. Liquimetal Coating stops applying at the end of turn.
Gavin Russell
Let's see a list so far
Nicholas Perez
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Anthony Hughes
>702.23j Phased-out tokens cease to exist as a state-based action. See rule 704.5d. At least you tried
Brody Morales
???
I'm not disagreeing with that. But the combo doesn't work.
Cooper Long
>shit >free card draw every turn Please close your browser and dont open it ever again, you need to get to the nearest mental hospital and check yourself in
Jace Roberts
Daretti Artifact decks just got access to targeted removal and more graveyard recursion
Ryder Allen
Sure. On mobile so will be awhile
Oliver Hernandez
New Daretti, Spaghetti ofc Not old Daretti, Never Forgetti
Mason Edwards
If the permanent the Aura, Equipment or Fortification just stops existing once it phases out, all that other shit is gone too
It doesn't suddenly change back to being a creature when it's treated like it doesn't exist and is gone from the game forever
Juan Wood
But New Daretti is just a planeswalker
Old Daretti is just monored
Camden Hughes
It was an equipment at the time it phased out, then it's phased out indirectly, and can't return on it's own. It doesn't matter that the effect that would make it the equipment expires, because it's already indirectly phased at that point. 702.25e is only relevant if it would phase back in, which it is incapable of doing.
Grayson Nguyen
And so he is, well fuck rakdos then back to derevi stax
Easton Moore
Legendaries/planeswalkers/creatures Darien, King of Kjeldor Avacyn, Angel of Hope Crovax, Ascendant Hero Hixus, Prison Warden Odric, Master Tactician Thalia, Heretic Cathar Kytheon, Hero of Akros Dragon throne of Tarkir Godsend Spear of Heliod Hall of Triumph Sword of the Animist Nykthos, Shrine of Nyx Elspeth, Sun's Champion Elspeth, Knight-Errant Angelic Field Marshal Bastion Protector Seraph of the Masses Crusader of Odric Burnished Hart Gold Myr Goldnight Redeemer Requiem Angel Lightkeeper of Emeria Evangel of Heliod Geist-Honored Monk Sanctifier of Souls Akroan Horse Crusading Knight(2 black players in local meta, plus flavor as fuck) Mirror Entity Knight of the White Orchid Aegis of the Gods Felidar Sovereign Wall of Essence Lone Rider Wall of Reverence Nyx-Fleece Ram Serra Avatar
Blake Gutierrez
>>free card draw every turn unless your opponent attacks you, which certainly wil happen.
Aiden Flores
>when it's treated like it doesn't exist and is gone from the game forever ???
Not how attaching works. It still exists, it's just has it's status changed to phased out. The tokens counters (if any) will cease to exist with it (instead of being removed), but nothing else will.
>then it's phased out indirectly, and can't return on it's own. 702.25f prevents indirectly phased out Auras, indirectly phased out Equipment, and indirectly phased out Fortifications from phasing in normally. It *does not* blanket prevent all indirectly phased out permanents from phasing in normally. 702.25e allows the Commander to (among other things) stop being Equipment while it's phased out.
Jonathan Fisher
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James Ward
Marchesa Prison/Stax Nice try attacking And if you do ill get free untapped creatures every turn while you are only untapping one land till i get the crown back :^)
Samuel Collins
No if it ceases to exist you can tear it up and throw it in the bin, it never returns from phasing and can never be played again, not even put back in your binder, its fucking gone bro read the rules it NEVER phases back in
Christopher Russell
>when it's treated like it doesn't exist and is gone from the game forever ???
Not how attaching works. It still exists, it just has it's status changed to phased out. The token's counters (if any) will cease to exist with it (instead of being removed), but nothing else will.
>then it's phased out indirectly, and can't return on it's own. 702.25f prevents indirectly phased out Auras, indirectly phased out Equipment, and indirectly phased out Fortifications from phasing in normally. It explicitly *does not* blanket prevent all indirectly phased out permanents from phasing in normally. 702.25e allows the Commander to (among other things) stop being Equipment while it's phased out.
Logan Butler
It can never phase back in.
702.24k Phased-out tokens cease to exist as a state-based action.
702.24f When a permanent phases out, any Auras, Equipment, or Fortifications attached to that permanent phase out at the same time. This alternate way of phasing out is known as phasing out "indirectly." An Aura, Equipment, or Fortification that phased out indirectly won't phase in by itself, but instead phases in along with the permanent it's attached to.
702.24b If a permanent phases out, its status changes to "phased out." Except for rules and effects that specifically mention phased-out permanents, a phased-out permanent is treated as though it does not exist. It can't affect or be affected by anything else in the game.
This is due to being phased out "indirectly".
Nicholas Martinez
Are you actually retarded? You've refuted your own argument multiple times
Brayden Reyes
hmm, just some other possible includes: Secure the Wastes Cathars' Crusade White Sun Zenith Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite (expensive, but I love the card) Wrath of God/Day of Judgment/Rout Path to Exile/Swords to Plowshares Riot Control Heliod God of the Sun Archon of Justice Sun Titan
Henry Wood
Fair enough.
Aiden Davis
Court Street Denizen Catapult Master Conclave Phalanx Artifacts Caged Sun Well of Lost Dreams Staff of the Sun Magus Pristine Talasman Pearl Medallion Sun Droplet Thought Vessel Mask of Avacyn Swiftfoot Boots Lightning Greaves Sol Ring Stoneforge Masterwork Elixir of Immortaity Prism Ring Deploy to the Front Launch the Fleet Martial Coup Decree of Justice Mobilization Raise the Alarm Celestial Convergence Cradle of Vitality Armored Ascension Vow of Duty True Conviction Noble Purpose Marahal's Anthem Path of Bravery Honor of the Pure Congregate Indestructability Shielded by Faith Ghostly Possession Spirit Mantle Mass Calcify Descend upon the Sinful Suppression Bonds Oblivion Ring Bound by Moonsilver Banishing Light Soul Tithe Darksteel Mutation
This is just a rough list, gathering cards still
Brayden Turner
Get that Hixus outta there, he's just bad. Get that Nyx-Fleece Ram outta there, it does nothing for you. You need a Mentor of the Meek for some card draw, which mono-white desperately needs and it goes well with the 1/1s
Either you can't read, or I've been caught. To resolve or dispel the notion of the former, >702.25f. let's dissect this.
>When a permanent phases out, any Auras, Equipment, or Fortifications attached to that permanent phase out at the same time. Certain things attached Auras, Equipment, or Fortications can be phased out by the phasing out of other permanents that they are attached to. >This alternate way of phasing out is known as phasing out "indirectly." "Indirectly" phasing out is shorthand for being phased out by rule 702.25f >An Aura, Equipment, or Fortification that phased out indirectly won't phase in by itself, but instead phases in along with the permanent it's attached to. If a permanent is phased out, is either an Aura, an Equipment, or a Fortification, and was phased out by rule 702.25f, it will not phase in by itself.
... they key point here is that the only part of 702.25f that prevents things from phasing in alone only applies to Auras, Equipment, and Fortifications.
>Except for rules and effects that specifically mention phased-out permanents, a phased-out permanent is treated as though it does not exist. Lo and behold! Rule 702.25e specifically mentions phased-out permanents, and is therefor an exception to rule 702.24b
Samuel Nelson
Kind of want to focus on Darien generating the tokens, but secure the wastes is probably an include. Would adding Emeria Shepherd, Twilight Shephard, Adarkar Valkyrie, And/or Death or Glory be good additions?
Nolan Jenkins
No picture because fuck you
>Ezuri, Claw of Progress Typical dork setup but no infect because I don't play to be degenerate
>Gitrog Monster Princess and the Frog setup, use life from the loam and splendid reclamation with landfall triggers.
>Isperia the Inscrutable Probably my weakest deck, flying creatures everywhere and keep opponents from having flyers.
>Mimeoplasm Heavy reanimator and self mill, only run because of the colors
>>Retired
>Nekusar the Mindrazer >Nekusar the Mindrazer
>Kemba Kha Regent Group is too competitive to play
Ethan Mitchell
If i cast serra ascendant and my opponent casts mental misstep which is the better card?
Also can you mental misstep a mental misstep? Is its casting cost 0 or 1
Jordan Jenkins
its cmc is always 1, even if you cast it for phyrexian mana.
Jason Long
Doesn't matter you're a faggot either way. Yes you can counter mental misstep with mental misstep, alternate cost doesn't change the cmc
Josiah Carter
Which continuous effect is expiring while the card is phased out, exactly? And how does that somehow cause the card to phase back in?
Cooper Green
Where is gA when you need him
Ian Butler
re serra ascendant
Parker Brown
Where do you guys even see Daretti2 fitting? Rakdos doesn't seem like the most artifact-heavy decks.
Joseph Bell
Nigga I will beat your ass with a ball peen hammer
Leave that shit in the old thread
Jaxson Hill
Goes straight into my Mishra deck.
Anthony Johnson
Lord of Riots can use him fine. Most artifacts are colorless, but I see him being pushed to the side
Aaron Perry
I like him a lot. Grenzo Arcbound was a pretty fun deck.
Blake Nguyen
>If i cast serra ascendant and my opponent casts mental misstep which is the better card? next best meme
Zachary Young
So the rules you're citing clearly work to show that it stays phased out. What you fail to recognize is that the phasing out of a card doesn't change or revert properties. While the commander is an equipment, it still counts as being phased out indirectly, and stays phased out until the nonexistent token phases in, which it wont.
Leo Martinez
Liquimetal Coating's effect on the Commander expires at the end of turn, so the Commander stops being an Artifact. Bludgeon Brawl's effect on the Commander expires when the the Commander stops being an Artifact, so the Commander stops being an Equipment.
Cameron Gutierrez
Probably asleep. He answered the phasing thing in his ask a judge thread saying it works and our resident fuckwit doesn't believe him
Hudson Hughes
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Ian Adams
Effects like that can't really expire on a phased out object. I believe.
Logan Lopez
Not asleep. Answered it again.
The continuous effect created by Liquimetal Coating does indeed end, but that doesn't matter. Rule 702.25e tells us that if a continuous effect that affected a phased-out permanent expired while the permanent was phased out (as in this scenario), then they will no longer affect the permanent ONCE IT'S PHASED IN. The continuous effect does end, but because we treat phased out things like they literally do not exist, that doesn't matter until it phases back in. Which it never will, because it phased out indirectly, and the thing it phased out WITH stopped existing, so it can never phase back IN indirectly.
Ethan Price
Isnt the commander a forest tho? Or does that expire too?
Ayden Roberts
>our resident fuckwit That's not me. I'm only lurking that thread.
>ONCE IT'S PHASED IN Well shit. Missed that part.
Henry Morris
If i phase out a serra ascendant is it still a 6/6 flying lifelink for 1 mana?
Logan Johnson
He's shitposting. Ignore him.
Zachary Ross
>thinking attacking and dealing with 1-2 cards is difficult explain to me the exact trouble you're having attacking another opponent?
Luis Miller
Nah, that effect doesn't have a stated duration like Liquimetal Coating's does.
Basically, here's how to treat Phasing. Turn an empty Big Gulp cup upside down, and write "CUP O PHASING" on it. When something phases out, put the cup over it, but otherwise don't mess with it. It didn't technically go anywhere, the continuous effects that were messing with it still technically exist, but we're all just ignoring it. When it goes to phase back in, you take the cup off, and start paying attention to it again. If a continuous effect messing with it ended while it was in the Cup o Phasing, it doesn't know that yet because it was underneath a giant styrofoam cup. Once you remove the cup, it DOES know that though!
Hunter Ross
Yes, see rules 608.2g and 702.25e. The power and toughness won't modify themselves until it phases back in, regardless of what your life total does in the meantime.
John Campbell
Technically yes, assuming it was 'online' at the time it phased out. That doesn't really MATTER in any situation I can think of off-hand, but yes, it is technically still a 6/6 with flying and lifelink while the game is treating it like it doesn't exist.
Isaac Lewis
>ill get free untapped creatures every turn while you are only untapping one land till i get the crown back if the opponent is getting +1 card, chances are that he will deal with whatever bullshit you prepared.
At 101. Thinking of dropping Lightning Greaves, since they're only there to protect Sydri really.
Michael Collins
gA please do not answer any Serra Ascendant or Mental Misstep questions, someone is forcing a hot new meme down our throats
Kevin Baker
608.2g isn't really relevant here, since CR608 deals with resolving spells and abilities, and Serra Ascendant has a static ability rather than a triggered or activated one, so the rules for how to resolve an ability don't really apply here.
Brayden Perez
What a terrible thread
Joseph Peterson
Oops, my bad.
Grayson Howard
Daretti vs Kurkesh as mono-red artifact deck. Pros and Cons? Just include Kurkesh in Daretti's 99?
Austin Lee
Serra Ascendant is a new meme? Is it 2010 again already?
Nah, no worries. You were wrong, and you learned from it. How the hell do you think I got to know anything? By being hilariously, violently wrong over and over again. The important thing is to learn from mistakes and avoid them in the future, if possible. Also, tacos. Tacos are important.
Anyway, I've done my work here. Taking the tripcode off and going to bed. If you guys think up anything else while I'm asleep, just chuck it into the AAJ thread and say it's for the EDH General. I'll answer them when I get back in whatever EDHG is still running.
Luke Bell
Looks like you had a mental misstep :^)
Hunter Diaz
While you guys spam the thread with rules text blocks the reprint boogaloo proceeds.
Colton Barnes
>Darien Patrician taste friend
Mason Perry
commander is still a forest. not that it matters song of the dryads is indirectly phased out by the commander, which is itself indirectly phased out (by the token) song of the dryads is not effecting the commander while they're both phased out the commander doesn't notice (because it's phased out) and stays a land the commander never phases in
if the commander were allowed to phase in (say, it was equipped to a non-token): song of the dryads phases in simultaneously with and attached to the commander the phased in commande's continuous effects check if they apply song of the dryads is still attached, it still applies
Isaiah Kelly
Depends on what these cards would be providing to your overall deck. Not sure what meta you play in, but if you're looking to protect your squad/commander, maybe try something lower cmc-wise like a selfless spirit. Death or Glory is a fun one, just for how political it is based on whom you pick to divide your grave
Henry Richardson
Why do they always post 5-10 nice rares/mythics on the first few days that make me want to buy a box, then the shit floodgates open and im really not ready to pay $6.50 a pack to get a turd like this
Parker Collins
It's Conspiracy after all, you're not supposed to buy a box and not draft it. Limited and shit. I do think Dragonlair is a p good token maker for RGx and I wanted one for Animar
Wyatt Harris
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Jaxon Davis
I prefer daretti as thec commander cause he gives you card advantage.
Zachary Perez
Why does Veeky Forums always make four card combos that don't win the game?
