So I have been reading up on the Scions and I gotta say the 68th Deltic Lions are my favorite but it is said these guys...

>astra militarum
>tempestus scions
They're really bad at making catchy copyright-friendly names, aren't they?

Well I was posting it as a joke, but he wouldn't be intrested since he can't do shit to the crons really.
The Chaos gods in general can't really do anything to them other than physical damage.

Oh, I thought you were referring to yourself.

Even before the most current high gothic name additions I was never a fan of alot them id say only the Adpetus Astartes only ever felt right.

The Militarium Tempestus fluff really was atrocious. When it wasn't sailing headfirst into grimderp (Memory drug addict commissars, murdering your bestie being the final test of a scion/commissar), it was just middle school tier "These guys are the best ever at [thing] and outdo the people legendary for [thing] and win all the time." I don't expect GW to write masterpieces, but come the fuck on.

You should see what they renamed the fantasy factions for copyright reasons

Normally id be alright with that if they gave me notable characters or actions.

Shit like Catachans would be boring if it wasnt for

>universes smartest ogryn
>A mother fucker got his arm ripped off by a land shark
>A fucking guy lifts a heavy bolter while holding off tyranids
>One of the best snipers in the galaxy who became that way to avenge his brothers
>offworlder almost every catachan hated turned them into one of the most notable regiments in the imperium

I like the Thetoid Eagles, going dark for months on end to purge xenos.
But it's got to suck to be the least liked imperial unit.

This book was such a wasted opportunity. While it's a very micro-scale faction, there was so much potential to make them an interesting faction.

> The Imperial equivalent to Dark Eldar
> High damage, zero attrition, alpha-strike glass cannon
> Infiltrating from everything and pinpoint Deep Strikes

> Massive armoury of tacticool gear like Infravisors, Cameleoline, EMP Grenades, Power Daggers, under-barrel grenade launchers and Medipacks
> Just so many grenades and pistols
> Black Ops seedy shit like rad weapons, phosphex and acid rounds
> Hints of high-level Imperial corruption like the Afriel Strain, proscribed psyker experimentation/augmentation and mind wiping
> Sniper/spotter teams with S6/AP3 rifles
> Armoured cars and Humvees
> Vulture Gunships
> Insurgent specialists, headhunters, saboteurs n shit

But no, instead we got 5 units and somehow missed out on Platoons.

You know thinking maybe that Isha connection could probably help expand these guys some more.

The 40k in your head will always sound better huh?

>and are apparently on par with these guys

In very specific roles, perhaps. But not as an aggregate whole.

Regimental stormtroopers (Grenadiers, Kasrkin, Dvils, etc.) Inquisitorial storm-troopers trained by the inquisition and taken from regiments still exist, the Scions are just whole regiments of storm troopers.

>The Chaos gods in general can't really do anything to them other than physical damage.

It's not even just that, it's that Necrons have no soul to bargain with, and therefore nothing to offer the Chaos Gods.

>Even the ones with skulls painted on them are just "Eldar hunters"

I did like that they made the Eldar-hunters look like Necrons, the sworn and ancient foe of the Eldar. Whether that was intentional or a happy coincidence, I don't know.

This seems like the most obvious Alpha Legion cell

Post the fluff!

If this were the case id make there color scheme black and green with the skulls still on there masks.

As for the lions Black and red seems a little dry why not something Medical Red+White or Hazmat Yellow/Orange?

HOW TO MAKE THE SCIONS INTERESTING

>Make them operators in 40k
>Expand on each regiments backstory and specialties
>everything here
>Give the Tarous wheels officially
>make Frogmen scions

But they already are.

What are you talking about? The Alpha Legion are master infiltrators and would never even accidentally give themselves away with a name-drop like that!

Holy shit if they had Green lights it would be amazing

Blue or purple would be a nice change.

Yeah, they tried to give the units character but it isn't the same as regular guard regiments who are memorable beyond the thing they're really good at

Maybe they should have tried giving them units instead.

They are literally just Special forces IG I dont know why they have to be there own thing

And to think than the last attempt at an high-profile IG SF unit gave us the last chancers, an excellent unit with a solid idea behind it, cool blurbs, and some of the best books in the entire black library.

Not tomention that the formatting of the book is atrocious. So many unit pics and page-wide regiment descriptions.

This, but also it'd be neat to see specific tactical abilities like SM chapter tactics or Guard armies, could give them the bump they need to be really useful.

For example, the ones was taking about could have Preferred Enemy: Eldar. Not overly powerful, but tactically useful.

I could also think of some shit to expand on IG SF as a whole

>Warhammer 40k Rainbow 6
>Catachans,Kariskins,Death Korps,Elysians,and other regiments all combine their skills against the enemies of man
>possibly some Inquisition shit

Also if regular regiments copy real life armies and shit why cant the scion regiments atleast copy some special forces?

It would be basic shit like

>Civilian casualtiles HIGH
>Plan operations extensively
>Can be called in on short notice
>Prefer doing operations fast and short

it might be basic shit but I dont understand how you leave out all these basic details regular regiments/space marines have gotten

Though Spetnaz and SAS guard sound cool

...

every single faction in w40k already has HUGE civilian casualties

It's 5 dimensional malasyan roleplaying Go. You would not understand.

Id guess maybe if some governor ever gets taken hostage or some shit I usually apply special forces to search and rescue operations or recon.

Fuck is there a Scion regiment who are specialized in fighting Dark Eldar? They also pride themselves on freeing human slaves who were taken captive and have extensive training on ship to ship boarding in close quarters environments. Also can get called into natural disater zones to keep the peace and population safe from any heresy that might rise in these situations.

Yeah, it was pants in head retarded and I love the SOUL CRUSHING grimderp of 3rd Ed.
But the you gotta kill half the guys that pass (remember you have already killed the 90% due to retarded protocols) feels just like AL shenanigans.

Why Train them like assassins if you need a whole regiment of these guys

Ordo Sepulturum chamber militant.

>Yo guys check out this cool zombie fighting regiment
>lets just mention them but never expand shit for them

If im reading this thread correctly you guys are saying if the scions had proper lore or atleast more info then people would like them more?

I love how they just took pictures of the actors holding the guns then shopped muzzle flare onto them. Also an anti-DEldar Scion unit would be great for Salamander/Scar teamups.

"The provenance of the symbol born by the 68th Deltic Lions is unclear" - Cue Motorhead.

You.

You're alright.

Salamander scions sound pretty cool

But user, isn't that exactly what they want you to think?

Wait, they had phosphex?

Fuck... I'm actually working on an anti-Nurgle marine chapter that's red and white and their symbol is the Rod of Asclepius. This thread is making me reconsider.

Considering old fluff had humanity create all the chaos gods but Slannesh, Because a few hundred years of war and a billion or so dead humans is the same potency as a galactic empire of aliens fucking the god of sex into existence maybe Nurgle just wants to keep in touch with his parents?

No, they don't have anything interesting beyond the Volleygun.
I'm suggesting that they *should* have had phosphex, if the book had more effort put into it.

>severed the threads of fate

Damn, what good is a soul if it means no free will?

Necrons got it right, at least in 40k, a soul is a liability just to be exploited by thirsting gods. Even oblivion is preferable to what could happen to you after you die.

Imotekh for Emperor 40,004; make the galaxy great again!

>Necrons teleport away when disabled in combat, leaving no skull for Khorne.
>they show their skulls all the time but take it away after death
They're like cranial cockteases

Not having a soul sucks dicks and most Necrons want their souls back.

They want their flesh bodies back.

So, a chapter of Apothecaries?

And souls.

The fuck are these? Companies of Storm Troopers or Regiments of Storm Troopers?

Well, nurgle is not happy if people just die like flies from his gifts, he wants them to writhe in joyous agony for a very long time.

So they are basically an abhuman strain that has high tolerance for toxics without any visible inhuman traits.

This is getting splinter cell to the point where it is basically not 40K anymore.
Wanting *guard* to be more interesting is cool and all, but they are really making it stand out like a sore thumb from a setting that says that military administration is a gigantic clusterfuck, and marines only work at all because they have a blank check to take what they need when they need it, as opposed to the IG who might get 8 billion pairs of socks instead of guns.

>as opposed to the IG who might get 8 billion pairs of socks instead of guns.
*35 years late.

I actually think expanding on storm troopers is pretty cool

But the fan ideas always seem better

Well I picture Scion as the "practical" response to the marines being mini nations of their own.

You can't count the marines doing what the imperial guard needs to be done, and mobilizing and entire regiment is not practical (again practical in the imperium sense)

So you send the the tacticool operators to operate.

If the imperial guard is a sledgehammer, the marines are a scalpel. Scion are a carton cutter. Not as precise as the scalpel but can get the job done.

Same with SoB they are practical response to the Custodes in Terra but for church and church world. With the plus of being a loophole for the men at arms. And an internal police to the church shenanigans. A "who who watches the watchmen" if you like.

>Why Train them like assassins if you need a whole regiment of these guys
You do remember a regiment of assassins killed a chapter worth of marines or more, right?
Of course Tempestus are way inferior, but when you have trillions of people where you can take orphans and prodigies from, you can afford to kill a lot of them in training.
What's wrong with those names? I thought you guys liked latinized English.
Yes, I'm aware Astra Militarum means Star Military, but on the other side, Adepta Sororitas sounds way better than Sisters of Battle

Technically, SoB are a subdivision of the Adepta Sororitas. The latin equivalent would be Ordo Militant.
And the guard was Departmento Munitorum in high gothic, Astra Militarum doesn't bring anything in-universe.

> Hints of high-level Imperial corruption like the Afriel Strain, proscribed psyker experimentation/augmentation and mind wiping

Man, for one of my 40kRPG campaigns I had an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor take control of a Schola Progenium to turn Scions into cheaper, more mass-producable super soldiers in a not!Spartan program. It was heretical as shit and I haven't been able to use it more than once.

Making things immune to Chaos has been the go-to answer for "how do we make this badass?" since the mid-2000s. And it has never actually worked.

I think they just drink there Super inquisitorial brand OJ and vitamins to not get sick

I don't they are grey knights tier they just don't get sick like most others

I dunno, it works pretty well for the SOB. But then, they actually have a theme that lends to it.

Pretty much, yeah. I'm still trying to refine the fluff a bit.

The sisters are not immune to Chaos. Many have fallen to Chaos corruption.

This is my problem with a lot of modern 40k lore some is either pretty good or grimderp because its 40k

Like Scions could be really fucking cool of people just expanded them and it's not just the scions GE would rather expand on Cadians instead of the other popular regiments like catachans or death korps

GW just dug it's own grave they just kept adding and adding so there would be something to appeal to everyone but somewhere along the they decided to just stop tucking mentioig them

IIRC, the starting point of the sisters are/aren't immune to chaos is one short story in Dark Millenium about mirael sabathiel, the single SoB that ever said "fuck the emprah, I'm outta here". The rest is cases of possession or psychic corruption, no traitors.
Ofc whether you accept this or not depends on your stand on black library in general.

What are the Alpha Legion scions called?

The STC for phosphex was destroyed by some hippie. The only people who might even possibly have phosphex anymore are chaos marines/dark mechanicus who have survived since the horus heresy but we all know how much GW loves giving Chaos nice things...

Scions of Ultramar