Could an average terran marine defeat an average space marine?

>also criminals and other such "urban youths" before they get all their enhancents?

100% dependent on the Chapter in question and how they do things.

Nah. SC canon Terran Marines are Kasrkins who look like Astartes. Astartes are Canon Sues who were cooler back when beakies were the norm.

Helmets are optional when you have a bulletproof face.

Also,
>rules of two radically different systems on two completely different media accurately represent fluff
nigga u dumb

>i believe the propaganda

40k fluff is 50% lies, 45% inconsistencies and paradoxes, and 5% someone mashing at a keyboard.

Considering Terran Marines are pretty damn mooky in setting (Zerglings are about the only guys lower on the totem pole) and are mostly just violent criminals I'd lean not.

They are more or less Imperial Guard in power armour and bolters with some fancy morale stuff due to the resoc.

So a step down from the SOB (Which would be a closer fight but likely go in the SOB direction due to superior training and faith powers)

>40k fluff

Fused ribs cause your lungs to not function

Space Marine > 99% of other sci-fi/superhero dudes. We've established that a million times already.

40k is super OP.

Depends upon whether or not the spess muhreen has a nametag, who's writing for him, and how much spess-magic plot armor he's pandering to his fanbase with.

>40k is super 12yr old calvin-ball

It truly is

youtube.com/watch?v=QL-jkxc6GMQ

Then there is no point in arguing about it at all, isn't it?

Terran Marine standard weapon is a fully automatic rail gun that manufactures it;s own rounds.

Interlocking, not fused.

Original Rogue Trader fluff for 40k Marines is basically the Terran Marine fluff, bionics, power armor etc but not the genetically engineered transhumans they are in modern fluff.

I dunno, when people claim Blizzard ripped off Games Workshop's IP... ehh, it has some merit from what I've seen, and it's the reason GW has been changing fluff and names to be less generic to better protect the current IP.

unserious 40k fluff >>>>>>>>>> starcraft >>>>>>>>>>>>> serious 40k fluff>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OP's dick

It is specifically a railgun? Railguns are S10 AP1 weapons. Also it turns out when I googled it that the Terran Marine's C-14 rifle fires 30 rounds per second. It's never stated but the bolter fires at an audible rate in the official fluff so we know it must fire at less than 16 rounds per second.

Let me stat that.
Boltgun:S4 AP5 rapid fire (2 rounds).
C-14: S10 AP 1 I'd say Assault 4 or Assault 5 weapon since it's at least twice as fast

>Terran Marine standard weapon is a fully automatic rail gun that manufactures it;s own rounds.

Yes and the Space Marines standard weapon is a handheld full-auto RPG launcher. Both settings have some pretty advanced tech, but without any hard details or comparisons there's no real way to determine which one is more advanced save for extrapolating from what little information we have.

Andy Chambers the lead writer for Starcraft said in an Interview that a single 40K Space Marine chapter would conquer the Starcraft sector.

End this debate now.

And a bolter is a automated rapid fire missile launcher.

One is merely the front line fodder of the shittiest outposts of humanity, the other are genetically modified super soldiers with hundreds of years of experience and training.

The terran is outclassed everyday, and we aren't even talking the full equipment differences.

/thread/

Yeah but they've been trained to act like religious morons for 200 years, they don't even know how their own guns work, and just walk into battle without even using tactics or wearing helmets so there's basically not even a difference. Anybody who says the 40k marines could conquer anything other than their nearest battle brothers ass is pandering.

Then he is more retarded than I thought, 1000 people can't conquer billions even if they're completely superior in every way. Something is going to go wrong at some point and then they're dead.

But that's stupid. Even a spess mehren would get fucked up by that much massed firepower. Protoss in particular would wipe the floor with them, due to their fully functioning plasma weapons that don't explode in your face.

Unless Matt Ward's doing the writing & the Ultramarines are sent, I doubt that'd work.

No.

But Terran technology and having psychics that don't have to worry about Chaos would.

Terrans have true FTL and devices that safely shit down all psychic power, meaning Terrans can easily make large Chaos-free zones. The Imperium idealogically can't steal Terran tech.

1 on 1, SM wins. Starcraft VS 40k, Starcraft wins.

Space Marines vs. The Christian God (as featured in the Bible). Who would win?
Knowing Spess Mehreen fanboys and 40k fans in general I'm sure this would be a popular thread with lots of angry arguments detailing why the Space Marines have at least a pretty good chance

The rail gun you're referring to is tank-mounted Tau weaponry. This does not equate in any sense to the terrible rail gun the Terran marines use.

On the other hand, the bolter almost literally throws an armor-piercing, dual-stage hi-ex grenade.

Surgical strikes and hit and run tactics. Shock and awe. The way space marines always fought.

Marines are not fighting billions head on. Don't be silly. They will cut off the heads and then mop out the bodies.

There are some pieces of Terran equipment that might give Space Marines some trouble. Siege Tanks, Hellbats, and Vikings could be difficult for Marines to fight without support. The Terrans have a lot of mobility and versatility which might make it more difficult for the Space Marine's to fulfill their usual role of precision strike force or heavy shock troops.

Because both ripped off the same source, which is Starship Troopers. Metzen infused his boner for cowboys and the American Civil War into Starcraft, and Priestely infused his boner for the Holy Roman Empire and Paradise Lost into 40k.

And then they will randomly get fucked by their chaos based warp drive OR get shot from the sky by a fleet of battlecruisers because they were 1,000 vs a sector of tens of billions of people.

It's just not going to happen even if you're fearsome 1v1 or 1v10 or 1v100.

Don't forget that Terran tech is built for nomadism.

Entire cities are mobile (like the Science Vessels), Terrans just strip worlds and move on unless they establish it as a military outpost or capital.

>Metzen infused his boner for cowboys and the American Civil War into Starcraft
God I wish the Terrans were still Space Rednecks. That was such an interesting idea.

No

>something in Revelations literally sent all the stars flying towards Earth
>Angels shielded it

Here is the interview.

youtube.com/watch?v=UzJ-1wBJ4wM

43:00 (Space Marine vs Terran Marine)
45:35 (How many Space Marines will it take to conquer the StarCraft sector)

Yeah.

Still, Shadowrun Terrans isn't as big of a step down as it could have been.

it amazes me how many people forget about heinlein especially after the starship troopers movie. I know his writing had issues, but he had some really fun ideas.

Not Metzen, disregarded.

Then again, Metzen would orobably say "Only the Space Wolves could, Chaos would be fucked, Tau join the Alliance (of space)."

MUH ROCKET LAWNCHAIR!!!

Andy is the lead writer, not Metzen.

Could a protoss zealot's blade puncture MK 7 spess muhren power armor?

no way to know for sure, most models of power armor, do have a power field which might work like a protoss shield or might work an entirely different way. The fluff is very inconsistent.

>One is merely the front line fodder of the shittiest outposts of humanity, the other are genetically modified super soldiers with hundreds of years of experience and training.

So? New to the thread, but that doesn't mean much if you're talking a serious technological difference.

If we go to another setting, Hyperion, the front line militia soldiers of a far outpost of humanity have small arms that can shoot targets on a planet's moon. They have (handheld) weapons that can plow through half a kilometer of solid rock.

Yeah, they might be front line fodder from the back end of nowhere, but I'd bet on the Hyperion militia over Astartes any day.

Now, you get some serious issues translating either 40k or Starcraft into each other, but the mere fact that they're convict soldiers doesn't count for much.

See but even if he did say that it would be retarded because even if the 1,000 Space Marines were completely undefeated in ground combat they'd just get blown into debris in space, bombed from orbit, worn down one by one using specialized counter tactics over time, die in unlucky accidents, die due to their own strategies in insertion, etc. 1,000 people can't conquer a sector of space with tens of billions of people and anybody who says anything different just didn't think it through, it should be pretty damn obvious.

Actually, the 40K fluff says that a single marine chapter has resources to bring an entire sector to its knees. (Source CSM 6th ED dex).

Metzen can override anyone in any Blizzard IP. He's the Disney, the 70's Stan Lee.

Given how many worlds aren't as developed as the Space Marines, the amount of uninhabitable worlds & more, I wonder what that means.

He hasn't gave his opinion so all we have is Chamber who worked on both 40K and Starcraft.

Then that part is really, really retarded. I can claim an Ultramarine could beat Jesus and Superman and Matt Ward can write it but that would be a stupid piece of fluff too.

>just didn't think it through
Blizzard summed up in five words.

>they'd just get blown into debris in space

An SM fleet would shit on anything that SC has. There are few settings that can beat 40keks in space battles.

Metzen's opinion is always the same.

"The character I voice is awesome, make him the star" and "Needs more cowboy/civil war/mecha/wizards/vikings".

Metzen's take on 40k would ignore SM completely and just have Tau and Americanized Imperial Guard with some Tyranids as a throwaway enemy.

I think you're talking the Imperial Navy and not a Space Marines chapter so what's your point? The point he was making is a chapter can conquer an entire sector of space with billions of people. As far as I know they won't be bringing a flying church ship.

Yeah, but almost every setting has safe and reliable FTL, allowing them to orbitally bombard and run almost the entire Imperium.

>As far as I know they won't be bringing a flying church ship.

You do know that each chapter has its own fleet of ships?

user, I think you are also massively overrating the kind of defenses an average planet and sector has.
Not every sector is Ultramar, the Cadian Gate, etc, most are small, almost backwater places with a handful of settled hive and agri worlds that are NOT military bastions.
A fully mobilized chapter could literally hopscotch from planet to planet, and by the time an organized effort is underway, could have already crippled linchpin worlds.
No, they don't have the numbers to hold and garrison a planet, but it didn't say that, either. They could wreck the fuck out of it, tho. Huron is an example of a chapter taking and holding a sector.

I don't care if they have a fleet of anything that's not a capital ship. Do they have those gigantic flying church ships or not? Cause if not then it's a totally lopsided fight and they will die. On the other hand if they do then they probably win, although not because of their space marines but because of their capital ships and probably without ever even setting a foot on the ground.

Battle barges, user, almost all chapters have at least 1, with fleet based chapters having fuckhuge station bases.
Even then, SM don't with space battles with guns, it's the vicious boarding parties to cripple ships that lead the way.

What's a battle barge. Explain why 10 battlecruisers can't shoot it down.

Depends on if the Terran Marines commander rushed stems and medivac

>10
How many battlecruisers are in a fleet, user?
How many other ships are in a standard Terran fleet?
This isn't the time to spout off numbers based on the vidya game, pull numbers from lore.
Most chapters will have 1-4 battle barges,8+ cruisers, and 2 destroyers/escorts per cruiser.

It's probably impossible to say, but there are a lot of them. There will be more if necessary, since it's going to be a looong campaign for a small bunch to conquer the entire sector, although not an unlimited number of course.

It's a moot point anyway. If the Battle Barge is some 40k kilometers long monster ship with enormous specs and millions of people abroad then the space mariens are going to win. Although obviously not because they brought 1000 space dudes but because they brought real stuff. If they only had reasonable transports for the 1000 dudes, and those 1000 dudes, they would have obviously lost instead.

Wut? You don't read much sci-fi, do you?

>It's probably impossible to say
Then there is not point to this discussion.

The Terran C-14 is actually ridiculously weak for a magnetic acceleration weapon.

S3 AP4 Rapid Fire

Yeah unfortunately our argument about whether 1000 dudes could conquer billions and billions can no longer proceed with scientific exactitude but I guess we will find other projects to compensate

If Starcraft psychics don't have to worry about the Warp, then it's a given that the mechanics of their abilities are different enough to 40K's that no anti-psychic stuff from Starcraft would have any effect on 40K stuff.

You're aware that a Chapter has auxiliary forces and stuff, right?

Depending on the size of the Chapter, Marines can have from 50,000 to a few million auxiliaries serving under them.

A++ passive aggressiveness skills user

And I'm not even being sarcastic

I honestly wasn't aware of that. I'm not big on 40k. But you can probably understand why I wouldn't be aware of that since everything that is mentioned is about the few Space Marines fighting on the surface and occasionally dying but ultimately being victorious. The other dudes don't seem to ever get mentioned, I guess unless you dig deep, even though reasonably most of anything the chapter ever does could be attributed to them if that is the case and that is the advantage they would bring to bear on the Koprulu sector.

Like if you're talking how WW2 went you're talking entire armies, huge formations of armor, fleets of ships and flights of airplanes. You're not talking a bunch of marines on Iwo Jima. You might talk about them but you would not attribute the entire outcome of the war to them. And that's a relatively primitive conflict on a small planet, bring in cruisers the size of small moons and a bunch of armored people does absolutely jack.

>You're not talking a bunch of marines on Iwo Jima

if the marines were able to do what SMs can do you sure as fuck would talk about them

>Laughing, Sica backhanded one of the hooded men with the ridged knuckles of his gauntlet, snapping his neck and throwing two hundred kilos of brutish soldier back into his comrades.

>One of the Isstvanian soldiers ran at him, shrieking and aflame, and pulled Temeter into an embrace. The captain let the flamer drop from his grip and ripped the man in two, tearing him apart effortlessly

>Vendatha pulled the haft-trigger, and his spear underslung Bolter cracked off a stream of rounds on full auto.
>Argal Tal saw it coming. The swords of red iron smashed the first three bolts aside, their power fields strong enough to detonate the shells as they streaked towards the Primarch's heart

>But you can probably understand why I wouldn't be aware of that since everything that is mentioned is about the few Space Marines fighting on the surface and occasionally dying but ultimately being victorious.

Oh, yeah, of course. Mehreens are he poster boys and they get the screentime. It's annoying, but in this case it's sort of appropriate, since Imperial citizens have the same impression.

The average Imperial manufactorum worker believes that ten Space Marines can take a planet. He doesn't know or even consider the possibility that they have entire legions of auxiliaries.

>The C-14 Impaler Gauss Rifle fires
8mm metal “spikes” at hypersonic speeds. The rounds
are designed to provide maximum penetration against
all armor types. To preserve both ammo usage and
minimize power requirements, the rifle uses a capacitor
system to fire in short, controlled bursts.

Terran Marine's has superior range and armor penetration as compared to the Astartes.

Astartes has a better training, probably decades more experience and more combat augments.

Yep and then they and the 100 miles around them became hotter than the core of a star and it was all irrelevant because somebody fired from orbit, truly amazing

That's actually pretty fair though.

>Yep and then they and the 100 miles around them became hotter than the core of a star and it was all irrelevant because somebody fired from orbit, truly amazing

To be fair this is an issue in any sci-fi setting where there is ground combat.

If you're fighting on the ground, it's assumed you either have space superiority, are tying up their orbital assets, or nobody wants to obliterate their own cities because being king of a cinder pile is no real victory.

Actually to fight an entire sector a chapters fleet would probably target the capital planet (Terra?) Cripple the leadership of civilians and the military infrastructure. They way the would do this? DEEP STRIKING! STHEL RHANE!
Seriously though Space Marines would have no problem with fighting without orbital security.

>Seriously though Space Marines would have no problem with fighting without orbital security.
Why. What if people actually fire at them from orbit and air for that matter.

Depends on their opponents. It works in 40k, it might not work in more "grounded," high-end sci fi where you can have a single fighter level the Space Marines and the surrounding area with one missile, that moves twice as fast as conventional bullets, from km away.

What about the entire Imperial Guard vs Terra Starcraft?

Somehow i always pictured the IG as a magnitude more powerful than the SMs since they are the backbone of the empire

>Terran Marine's has superior range and armor penetration
>Be a lot weaker in stats than Elite Stormtroopers
>Dies to flashlight

That's not high end sci-fi. That's modern technology if you just use all of it. Hypersonic missile, beyond line of sight combat, nuclear warhead. If you think that's futuristic then 40k has just dulled your vision of the future.

I never said it was necessarily high-end sci-fi, just that more grounded sci-fi would likely use more conventional methods of warfare like that.

I worded it poorly.

There are many, but SC is not one of them.

Actual full-strength marine chapter is about 1100 marines when you count the ones that fall outside standard codex assignments (chaplains, etc).

Their ships, and a number of their vehicles/aircraft are operated by serfs, of which there are probably a dozen or two per marine, if not more.

'Auxiliaries' drawn from another Imperial faction (guard, pdf, inquisition, rogue traders, etc) should not be counted towards a Chapter's assets.

Because they would be fighting on enemy soil. As such, the enemy would be reluctant to fire upon his own cities\people.

Think of it like this: you would not destroy a city because there's a squad of special forces operatives on the premises of said city.

>Terrans
>caring about civilian casualties

The third planet the marines landed on, the Terrans would turn to glass from space.

Well typically you wouldn't expend too many resources because a bunch of spec op soldiers really does jack as has been pointed out several times over. That said yes you sure as hell will use heavy weapons vs infantry. It's done in our wars for god's sake. If it were total war, while you wouldn't fire a nuke, you would send planes to strafe them. Bomb buildings they're in. If you have orbital superiority you will necessarily have air superiority and even if you don't, don't tell me future bombs can't target when current ones can. The more dangerous those soldiers are the more you will fire at them. Also when they don't have air or orbital superiority whatever the hell they're targeting in the city can just fly away and any marine that tries to follow is shot down. How is all of this supposedly not an issue.

Simple reminder that few shots from space marine rifle can damage fucking battlecruiser.

Also remember that 40k space combat is "realistic", as in ships plinking at each other millions of kilometers away. Starcraft space combat seems to be the good ol' WW2 dogfighting ranges.

We still don't fight with Beyond Horizon regularly.
Sure, the horizon peak is only 40km away. But you see beyond that.

Then again, we fight wars where 95% of artillery deaths is from shrapnel. Shrapnel is the opposite of a clean hit. Shrapnel is a direct miss if the target is resitant.

That's story/gameplay segregation.