Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

Is Meryl Felstorm the oldest undead? Dude's like over 3k years old

So we know who the Old Gods are. Extremely well, in fact. Then who are the New Gods?

The players.

The Titans and Wild Gods, obviously.

Wild gods.

I between Lei Shen dying and us showing up a power vacuum collapsed most of them empire and the revolt of the slave races nailed the coffin shut.

They only "reawakened" when we disturbed Pandaria's shit.

No, I mean, after he died AGAIN.

When we killed him.

Sylvanas Windrunner, the One True Queen

You can't just answer Sylvanas to every bloody question, Sylvfag.

literally chosen by the Loa m8. How can human queens even compete

Watch me

And who's going to stop us?
Literally the only bad part of the Banshee Queen's rule is that Varimathras isn't here anymore to be a smug demon bitch.

Mary sue. His age means he was one of the original 100 humans taught magic by the elves. He is undead but not scourge or forsaken. He stays undead through his own magic.

Best way to deal with waifufags is to deprive them of the attention they seek.

Just because he's different doesn't mean he's a Mary Sue.

He changed his name like forsaken do but isn't one. He stays undead but doesn't become a lich. He is 3000 years old and the scarlet crusade doesn't care about him. Despite Dalaran always getting uppity about necromancy he is somehow immune. If that isn't Mary sue then I don't know what is

The Scarlet Crusade and Kirin Tor issues can simply be explained by him staying out of the public eye, and what little has been said on how he became undead points to it not being his doing.

>He stays undead but doesn't become a lich.
What does that have to do with him being a Mary Sue? I'd say that's the opposite.

wow.gamepedia.com/Meryl_Felstorm

It says he was mortally wounded in the troll wars and keeps himself alive by his own magic. He also mentored medan

Wow it also says he has a dreadlord spirit trapped inside of his body that he forces to do his bidding.

He keeps it repressed by force of will, but it keeps breaking out and murdering dudes.
Just recently it broke free enough to unpossess him and run back to the Twisting Nether.

Dreadlords. Who needs them anyways?

>but was forced by circumstance to survive as one of the undead.

He may keep himself alive with magic now, but *HOW* he became undead is not known, which is what I was saying.

the Kirin Tor

Paladin orders too now

Dreadlords are amazing and I will fight you
TICHONDRIUS FOREVER!

But we like Jaina

The circumstance was his mortal wound during the troll wars. He sustains himself via his own magic. Read the previous and the following sentence.

But azgalor has a better voice.

Am I the only one that hopes they'll turn sylvanis's characterization around and have her like, start seeing all of the horde as her people and become less batshit crazy over time? Cause her defining feature is more or less doing whatever is necessary to ensure her and her people's survival and if she'd see the whole horde as hers instead of just the undead it'd solve a lot of her problems.
I realize that this probly ain't gonna happen and she'll just go full Garrosh and end up a raid boss but I'd like to see the undead become less isolationist and become more tight knit with the rest of the horde

I would like to see putress come back and finish what he started with the wrathgate eventually leading a new forsaken world complete with its own forsaken titan waifu to kick the legions and sargeras ads then finish with the void lords but that ain't happening.

if any established character becomes a raid boss in Legion, it'll be Jaina. Even if she isn't a dreadlord she's obviously getting ready to fuck us all over to get revenge on a guy who's been dead for two years

I like the forsaken and all, It just always vaguely annoyed me that it seems like neither them nor any of the other horde races ever tried to be anything more than official allies. Like the rest of the horde is a family but the forsaken are the weird neighbors that you occasionally talk to.

Last raid of the Legion: The hall of Waifus. They all are here, batshit crazy and bad writing will make it happen.

And then before she'll team up with a dickish bronze dragon, go back in time and lead Iron Theramore?
Pottery.

Siege of the Ruins of Theramore for patch 7.4

What's the most powerful class in lore? I'm pretty sure it's mages, but I'm willing to be convinced otherwise. Also weakest lorewise is hunter, with rogue just behind.

Are we fighting ghosts, unholy resurrections or demons in meat suits?

I've usually ranked it as:

Warlock (above mage because warlocks have no limits)
Mage
Shaman
Druid
Priest
Paladin/Death Knight?
Pitiful mortal classes

Don't really know where to put Demon Hunter. Probably either after Warlock or after Mage.

All three, nigga.

In a rebuilt Theramore made of Legion architecture.

A disturbing mirror image.

Warlock's can suck demon cock for ridiculous power

>All three, nigga.
I guess I should have thought of that, raids are pretty long. One can fit in a lot of content.

This is happening after Jaina pulls a pic related? Or Dreadlord Jaina setting up shop after "her" cover is blown?

The thing with "pitiful mortal classes" is that they're also magically empowered

Rogues can teleport behind a wizard, unsheathe dagger and nothin personnel them

Warriors can live through atomic bomb equivalent destruction by sheer force of shield

And so on

Gameplay mechanics

Warrior has wounded the real Sargeras. Checkmate, spellchuggers.

I know, I just like making that joke.

He had a magic axe, get fucked

>Warlock (above mage because warlocks have no limits
The danger with Warlocks is that they toy with forces beyond their comprehension. So they're fine when they stay in the kiddie pool of demonic power that they can control. But there's a vast ocean for them to tap into. Only, like the ocean, it's as dangerous as it is vast and if you lose you concentration, you'll be swallowed up by the forces you sought to control.

I started playing again with Legion. And I've been recently considering writing a longform story and having someone I know do the art to tell the story of multiple characters throughout the story arcs of World of Warcraft.

It's always been an idea of mine, but I've been thinking about it more since I picked up my oldest and most played character (Somehow, he has 2x playtime of the one below him, even though he hasn't been used since TBC.)

And it's really something else to think about the trials and life of the average adventurer murder-mercenary who has been around since the dawn of the age of WoW.

Well if that's all what it takes, then why haven't any dress wearing lowtest manlet ever done it?

Oh, yeah, for sure; being a Warlock means you're a ticking timebomb that inevitably means you're going to blow. But the question didn't have to do with that, just power.

>Never played Alliance pre-Cata
>I'll never know that feel

>tree branch
>magic axe
Ok druid, whatever you say

I know. I was just getting at the more power your draw, the faster your fuse burns.

Nah nigga.

Orc injured Sargeras. Warriors and other mortal classes are empowered beyond being normal.

That's one of the weirdest things for me to think about as a vanilla player who played both factions.

There are people out there who never saw the game world as I did, or did as I did. In fact, at this point it's probably a majority that started playing in a later expansion. It really is a story about the few, dying, grizzled old mercenaries surrounded by the new blood at a constant rate.

I actually wish we had the numbers. % of players that started playing during vanilla, or X expansion.

Do we want just max peak power or biggest output per lifetime?

Also the Aldrachi warrior king killed thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of demons and it took Sargeras himself to fell him.

>But he had an artifact weapon!

So? Everyone in the game gets the latest axe of buttsmashing from the raids and gets some unique weapon I'd probably put all the classes on an equal playing field. It's easier to say an individual is stronger than a group is.

What the heck's an aldrachi

>biggest output per lifetime?
Orc warrior, hands down. Saurfang.

An extinct race in Legion, the people who made the tanking DH artifacts. Legion tried to recruit them, Aldrachi told them to get fucked, Legion eventually exterminated them at the cost of one of their most costly wars.

I think it's some fun lore.

I've been playing since vanilla and never played the early horde zones until cataclysm

Unless you count ganking lowbies in Durotar

I'm the user you were responding to. My story is this:
I started playing during late BC/early WotLK. My friend that got me into the game was horde, so naturally I was too. I said never played Alliance for the sake of brevity but truthfully I had two Alliance characters, I think. A level 25 dranei and a 15 dwarf, hardly enough to get attached to or remember clearly.
Unfortunately m,y account was hack when my main was only 72. And Blizzard didn't have the retrieval protocol they have nowadays.
So after a week or two of emails and no progress I cut my losses and abandoned the game.

Came back in with Cata, amde a new account and have been playing since then. Though WoD was the first time I really got into any end game content.

WoW classes were meant to be streamlined and balanced, but it was so long since WoW has started so those very theme park mmo design choices have infected the lore since then.

I think before that got out of hand it would be closer to d&d in some ways where magic users are more quadratic than the linear warriors.

I guess something like
>most powerful
Warlock, Demon Hunter, Paladin, Death Knight
mage
druid
shaman
warrior
hunter
rogue

Gadgetzan will run on pure dreadlord fuel by 35

So how about that Gnomergan. Think they'll ever get that little mess cleaned up?

I mean I understand it's bumped down in priority right now what with the demons and all.

That route was mandatory if you were a night elf druid. Unless you were like me and wondered what happened if I hugged the coastline all the way down. That's how I found Newman's Landing, and from there my desire to explore every nook and cranny.

I can say with pride the only places I never managed to explore was that peak in Stonetalon with the "help me" sign wiritten in textures, or Old Outland.

>Gameplay mechanics

sometimes, sometimes not so much. if you have abilities that are fluffed as mundane which seem to do "supernatural" things in the gameplay that's one thing. but several rogue abilities are outright magical and clearly say so.

it's nothing new, the warden in WC3 is basically a magic rogue, and the blademaster was a warrior who seems magical but is really just very good.

>Gnomes
>Having any actual development

Hell, I was surprised they gave Gelbin a shiny new mechasuit instead of just throwing him in a refurbished spider tank.

Tinker class when

When the inters manage to clean all the cum off the Thrall statues in Metzen's office.

>last legs of the battle, Jaina's completely lost it and sees everyone as phantoms of the people she hates
>"HOW DARE YOU COME TO JUDGE ME!? YOU MADE ME WHAT I AM!"
>Alliance players tell her just how disappointed Antonidas would be in her right now
>Horde players point out how those were Garrosh's last words

Fund it.

I have players who have played WoW since its fucking launch, but I am mulling the idea of running a tabletop based on it.

I'd like to stay canonical or at least close to the main timeline so they can't tell immediately

What plots could I have them do? Or things I could involve them in that they might not know about?

This would allow one of my favorite ideas of all time that I've never been able to execute. Lull the players into a false sense of security that they're in the cannon universe and can't fuck anything up. And then they do something that re-writes it all.

>Antonidas
Riiight, I forgot he was a thing. He was the one researching the lethargy of the orcs in internment camps. It's likely due to his influence that Jaina was so diplomatic with the orcs in the first place. Probably more of a father figure to her than her actual dad. In the end he got killed by her ex, ha.

>Snake, that gal is a monster. You can't beat him with just your fists. Use your head! Isn't there something you can use as a weapon?

That new mech suit was sweet and it makes me want this

I was hyped for new demons for demo and the most we got was two, debatably one and a reskin of an existing one.

And the artifact doesn't even give a new one. I'm gonna be pissed if I don't get my pitlord by next expac.

Or would that be too much power for us to have?

What the fuck will the next expansion even be about?

Hopefully, an old god civil war.

If we kill the legion this expac, they'll be nowhere else to go but straight down(and hopefully pit and dread lords looking for employment).

Pitlord is definitely pushing it. My memory may be fuzzy but has there ever been one that wasn't intended to be taken down by a 10+ man group? Outside of quest lines.

There is that one in the Warlock green fire quest that you have to Enslave to have a chance in the fight.

Hope we go back to Northrend again.

Then fuck, give us a weak one, then.

Make a questline out of making it stronger(but not too strong).

I like the idea of going on a quest to get it as one of the greater demons along the lines of the Infernal and Doomguard.
Which used to have their own great quest chains to acquire.
Yes, back the, all Warlock pets had some sort of quest chain to acquire, but aside from the epic mount, they were mostly "go to exotic place, talk to dude, get new pet."
Still better than the bullshit we have now that just dumps it into your spellbook.

Exactly!

Bring the spirit of class questing back. You want some awesome new shit to kill with? Get out there and fetch.

I loved those sorts of things.
I still have the mats needed to summon the Dreadsteed in Dire Maul. And a couple of the potions that make me friendly to the demons in Jaedenar. I wonder if those still work.

I'm really hoping these class halls things will bring that sort of feeling of accomplishment when you get something unique to your class.

If not at least its a step in the right direction. Greater emphasis on giving classes their own flavour is something I can definitely get behind.

Probably Old Gods, and then the Void after that, assuming they don't mix the two.

They're the same thing though. But I know what you mean.

What's the worse thing about this guy and why is it his name?

I always thought "fire crotch " was an appropriate name for a red head