On a serious note, have you ever played with a transexual?

No such thing, padre.
Here's the problem: Gender identity disorders are disorders. Specifically, they're body dysphoric disorders, which are... a thing. They're a bit tricky to treat, but they do have proper forms of treatment that isn't "let him do what his delusion tells him to."

Someone who suffers from Body Integrity Identity Disorder isn't allowed to have a surgeon blind them or amputate their leg(s).
You know why that is?
Because it's an illness! It is not compassionate to let people follow through on mental compulsions that cause them to mutilate their healthy bodies just because it seems right to them!

Letting someone with a dysphoric disorder follow through is callous. Actively supporting their delusion and making the entire world live this lie that they can use surgical mutilation to make their depression and anxiety go away is actively sociopathic. Fun fact: statistically there's actually no difference between pre- and post-op transsexuals in anxiety, depression, and suicide risk.

Letting someone with a dysphoric disorder do physical harm to their healthy body is basically the same as saying "Oh, you have depression? Here's a loaded gun and a quiet room. Do what your heart tells you."

That's not compassion.

Wait, I thought it was that post-ops were more likely to an hero.

In my personal experience, being transgender doesn't really affect how well they play. For the most part, transgender people are just struggling souls who want to be the gender they're meant to be, be treated like a "normal" person, and also fuck over their friends when the chips are down.

After a quick search: transitioned transgender people still have a higher rate of suicide than the general population, but the study this comes from doesn't compare the rate to pre-transition transgender people. This isn't that surprising considering that gender dysphoria can come along with other mental illnesses that transitioning will not necessarily cure.

That's a whole lot of >implying.

Equating a sex change with losing your sight or losing a limb - both of which objectively affect your ability to function and survive - is flimsy at best. It's about as logical as equating those with a nose job or breast implants. Trying to pad your argument with emotive and loaded language doesn't help either.

So yeah, you're basically a blowhard who's every bit as stupid as the SJWs you were mocking. I did enjoy that irony so thanks for that at least.

No, they have an insanely high rate of depression both pre- and post-op that stays almost exactly the same.
Something like 40% of people who get the surgery end up regretting it almost immediately, though, and that's only the self-reported number. I suspect the number is probably more like 60 to 80%.
There's an interesting re-enforcement cycle where people who get the surgery and find it doesn't solve their problems do this rationalization where they try to convince others it'll make them feel better, because hey--if that person does it and it works out for them, that means I haven't made a terrible mistake!

Here's an interesting op-ed from someone well-versed in the subject that cites a number of studies:
wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

The whole thing is a game of smoke and mirrors.
From political elites who want captive voting blocs to asshole surgeons who don't care if they're following oaths to do no harm as long as they're making a buck. The whole thing is FUBAR all the way down.

Also, for further reading: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money
The person who 'proved' that sex and gender were different things, and that non-hermaphroditic people could, in fact, be gender reassigned.
Of course, it was all lies and bullshit, and everything after that follows this idea is nonsense. Also, he was a child molester too, as if he needed another tick on the "holy shit this dude is basically Mengele" chart.

>the gender they're meant to be
"Meant to be" how?
Destiny? God's will?
You're making a bold assertion here that, frankly, I don't think you've thought through.

>Veeky Forums
Pick one.

Dude, why? Why even care? Clearly that was me being completely passive aggressive towards some other person.

Fuck, dude.

It just matters.
You implied some heavy shit there, and it deserves exploration. I want to know where from you get your ideas because as far as I can tell, you've either not thought this through all the way, or you know some profound shit about the universe or the human condition that I don't know.
Either way, someone's gonna learn something, so we might as well.

Question's the same: "Meant to be" how?

Please keep your thinly veiled offtopic political threads in their respective containment boards.

Actually my new "girlfriend" is the one that got me back into tabletop, she invited me to her group and it's been tons of fun, kinda weird being almost 40 and hanging out with a bunch of college kids but it's just what I needed.
She's a sweet girl and her boypussy is wonderful but we ain't gonna last.

You... you're serious, aren't you?
Let's just get this out of the way first: There is no sex reassignment. You cannot change your sex. The surgery is improperly named.
It is basically an elaborate genital mutilation. It cannot make women into men or men into women. That's simply not possible with the tech we have today.

That aside, you've entirely missed the point.
The point is that just because someone feels strongly about something does not mean that thing is automatically okay. If you let people act on their delusions, they do crazy things that harm themselves or others.
We don't let any other disorder be mistreated this way, to my knowledge. Not one.

Here's the real core of this issue: You're going right to calling names here. You can argue that mentioning compassion is emotive language--it is--but it's a valid point. Compassion is the reason we don't let mentally ill people kill themselves. Your argument--and the ad hominem you snuck in with it--is weak.
More than that, it seems like you're trying to reject my point out of hand without even engaging with it. What part of it, exactly, do you object to?
If you disagree, spell it out. Right now, you just look like you're brushing it off as a way to defend a belief structure, rather than actually disputing it because it's untrue.

...

Two

One, who I talked about here, archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/48539524/#48544204 spent the entire session arguing with the DM about rules and never bothered to actually play the game.

The other played a Dwarf Cleric of Torag and was a totally normal, sane person. Very quiet, but brought some useful skills and abilities to the table. We were playing the PFS scenario where the Samurai clan house gets besieged by the Golden League, and she pulled our fat out of the fire (literally) with some creative uses of create water and that spell that converts stone to dirt.

Not him but here's something up-front: you're a conspiracy theorist that chooses to listen to paywall-locked Wall Street Journal op-eds and balance on petty, evidence-avoidant "arguments" than the studies showing that hormone replacement therapy and sexual reassignment surgery are effective treatments of gender dysphoria.

Take your faux-righteous obnoxious red-pill shit elsewhere.

NIGGA POST THE FULL IMAGE
I came (huh) here just to request that.

I'm trans and I really will never understand this.

I have to deal with the shit that is gender dysphoria and social acceptance literally every day and while I'm not saying I like roleplaying super perfect snowflake that doesn't have flaws or problems I'd prefer to play someone that has other things to tackle than the exact same slog I already do in my day to day life.

why not?

Yes, the legitimate news source and the doctor and the studies are all a vast right-wing conspiracy, surely.
I'm sure those studies you've told me about but failed to link definitely exist and aren't entirely bias.

I ain't even right wing. The fact that you assume everyone who disagrees with you is THE ENEMY is the first sign that your ideology is more important to you than facts.
C'mon, senpai, you gotta question the things you've been told.

It's always a mistake to stick your dick in crazy even if it's really hot crazy.

On a serious note, have you ever played with a transformer ?
If so, how well did they do?

Okay yeah, that's what confuses me about the whole I WANNA PLAY A TRANS thing.

If you're actually trans, why would you? This is a fictional world, you get to make up whoever you want to be. You don't have to be trans because you can be the actual gender.

Trannies are walking sideshows, they can't be serious

>he

SJWs are almost never atheists.

The majority actually claim to be devout Christcucks.

At least part of the reason for this is the enmity between SJW ideas/feminism more broadly and New Atheism, which is now associated with the alt-right, mostly because "muh anti-Islam is xenophobia".

Yes, a few campaigns. Fairly decently. Shame she killed herself eventually.

This never really made sense to me either. Maybe it just feels too much like a wish fulfillment fantasy? Or maybe they just want to play through the struggle in a controlled setting where maybe they can get a happy ending?

I've never met a leftist who wasn't anti-Christian.
They're weirdly Islamaphilic, I think, as a thing of convenience: both groups kinda hate the basic ideals of liberal western democratic nations. They make natural allies because they have aligned goals, I think. I still suspect leftists are largely atheistic, since their religion is feminism and social justice.

On a serious note, have you ever played with a sweet transvestite?
If so, how well did they do?

>Equating a sex change with losing your sight or losing a limb
How so? Both involve cutting away the flesh.

I've had one consistent GM since I was 16. She came out to me nearly 2 years ago and recently transitioned. The dysphoria associated with being masculine presenting held up our games for a while, but she's a 10/10 GM, always runs a good campaign.

Because it's not a serious thing and we both know it. She's at the point in her life where she wants to get rammed and pampered by an older man, I'm at the point in my life where I wanna try something new and exotic. We might say "I love you" to each other but we know that the age gap is just too big for any of it to go long-term.

She's pretty tame, actually. Her idea of a wild night consists of weed and a bit of bondage.

Boipussy or GTFO slut

Yes, we knew them from before they became a tranny.

Josh came out during a session as "Julia", wearing a dress.

One of our players laughed so hard that he couldn't get up for like half an hour.

We resumed the game we were playing.

That guy was a wierdo, anyway.

We sorta broke off contact once they imported their one-handed FtM furry wolfkin 'boyfriend' from the midwest, though.

Because trannies are attention whores.

And there's only one acceptable reason to reject the flesh: AUGMENTATION!

They're anti-traditionalism, not anti-kike-brainwashing. They interpret the kike propaganda to better suit their agenda, is all. I can't count the number of times I've seen an SJW post about how Jesus loves them just as they are.

On a serious note, have you ever played with a transam?
If so, how well did they do?

im trans and i don't get why the sjw bunch suchs islam's dick so hard, they'd kill all LGBTBBQ if they could, so why are we welcoming into our countries?

i don't make my chars trans, that'd be super akward for other party members and -very- uncomfortable for me. RPing gives me a bit of a break to try and rp as other kinds of characters different than me (plus being trans outright sucks)

>Chihiro

>A transsexual

Chihiro identifies as male, and only dresses as a girl and lies about himself because he has a complex about his weakness.

Not a tranny.

Swapping out a functional donger for a literal axe wound is not an upgrade

Where the fuck are you folks finding all these FtM transgender people? I'm actually surprised that so many of you referencing past experience with transgendered individuals were playing with FtMs rather than MtF. My tone probably comes off as offensive when I say that, but the reason for my surprise is that my personal experience has been that the majority of transgendered people I know are MtF. Like, overwhelmingly. Is it just a really unlikely coincidence that I've seen so many more MtF people than FtM people, or is my personal experience actually representative of the norm and I'm being thrown off by the anecdotes presented here?

Anyway, to add something to my post that's actually on topic to the thread, I've had a little bit of experience with playing Veeky Forums games with transgendered people. Most of it has been bad, but there's a grain of salt to consider: at the places I pulled those people from, most people were bad. I don't play at those places anymore because it was basically slogging through shit all the time to try and find a diamond in the rough that probably never really existed.

Although it's not STRICTLY Veeky Forums, I also knew a few transgendered people from back when I did freeform role playing on some forums. They were mostly good people, save for one who seemed to suffer from depression and had occasional mental breakdowns.

Well yeah obviously, but I did play with another trans woman for a while. She wasn't the best roleplayer but she knew the rules and gameplay pretty well. We ended up hooking up after a while, but that's another story.

>She

>She

WANTING DOES NOT MAKE IT SO
If it did, I'd be on a beach right now.

Boipussy or GTFO slut

I actually run a game where all 5 people playing were transgender. 3 mtf 1 ftm and one gender queer. And it's been pretty good so far nothing out of the ordinary really.

Y'know, I don't want you on my side with that equally idiotic alt-right garbage.
Stop.

And I'd be MALPHISTOLTRON 2.X, STEEL SOULED SAVIOR OF THE SULLEN STARS but alas, life is not so kind.

Generally speaking, FtMs don't commit to being FtM.

They're lesbians who decided to go on hormones because they're dogshit ugly. Even if they go on hormones, it's not like that shit's irreversible.

Or at least that's how it was in my case. "Chris" had a birth defect that gave 'him' a baby claw hand, and was a furry, and we got to see pictures of when they were "Rebecca", and "He" was a god-ugly one-handed bulldyke before transitioning.

On a serious note, have you ever played with a transhuman?
If so, how well did they do?

People aren't obligated to behave according to your comfort zone. Your feelings don't matter.

A "moderate" or "conservative" like you is just as much a target for the Day of the Rope as any SJW. Complacency in the present global situation is no different from siding with the enemy.

>another dumb "treat us like we're normal!" thread

Just suicide already, the lot of you.

On a serious note, have you ever played with a transliteration?
If so, how well did they do?

>Day of the Rope

Man, I'm a conservative, but this Turner Diaries shit has to end, man.

You ain't lynching anyone. Especially when your 'pure white race' is shrinking because you guys choose to chase careers and dreams instead of families.

i dunno, a lot of the sjws nowadays are extremely anti-israel and pro-palestine

I have spent this whole thread arguing that exact thing, yes.

I'm assuming you know this based on what you just said, but I'm going to share this fun fact anyway for anyone else who is reading along.

Fact: Did you know that post-surgery MtF, the body tries to completely heal over the new hole because it's basically one gigantic slowly-rotting open wound?
The final product is mostly made of scar tissue, and it needs to be forced to stay open by 'spacers' that are basically just a series of progressively larger dildos that are forced into the wound gradually to space it, just like one of those horrific massive earlobe stretcher things.
Apparently tearing and bleeding and infection in this process isn't uncommon, and it's horribly uncomfortable. But hey, what does your body know about healing and maintaining itself naturally? Forget the natural instinct to be afraid of cutting pieces of yourself off and listen to your Gender Studies professor instead, you horrible shitlords.

Dubs of truth

i will, i just wanna play d&d a few more times before doing it

Played a male Drow hiding in higher society as a female. Kind of like Mulan, only instead of the army he was trying to play court intrigue. Had to use magic, both illusions and transformations, to maintain the lie. He just kind of got used to playing the role, seeing as it is easier to 'live' his character in the long term than act it. Would eventually need to leave the underdark what with the priestesses getting more and more interested in the upshot stirring things up in their city. Still crossdressed regularly on the surface. People up their either knew the rumors of Drow women and stayed well away, or thought he looked cute in the skirt and became easy to abuse. All in all he was selfish enough to count as an evil character, but had enough mercy not to take from those who couldn't already afford it anyway. Was even nice toward kids on an occasion or too.

It's okay to pretend you're a girl.

It's just not okay to believe that you actually -are- a girl. That shit ends in heartbreak, man.

Besides: boipussy > pussy > whatever you call a tranny's genitals

Why the fuck does she have glasses?

Sounds like a total Mary Sue

Please kill your unfunny self.

Hey, man. Gays wanna find love too.

I'm all for that as long as they're not trying to warp reality to cope with their identity issues.

Because glasses are koweii.

Alternatively, they're smart fulla extraneous hardware that count be crammed in the eyes. Like a modular controller accessory that's unnecessary but impelves performance

Have you ever considered reconsidering the basic premise that such a thing is a lifestyle and accepting that it's probably an illness?
Nobody wants to accept that they might be mentally ill, but a lot of people... are.
Please understand that my arguments in this thread against the concept of a transgender lifestyle isn't meant to be an attack on anyone as a person. As someone who has had a bit of therapy during a low point in my life, I highly recommend it. Finding a good therapist who doesn't accept the nonsense is tricky, but they do exist, and working on gradually accepting the body you have is healthier in the long run, both mentally and physically.

I guess my point is that I want to ask you to strongly consider another way of looking at things and trying to improve the situation. If you're not happy as it is right now, something has to change, right? I don't think the change should involve cutting into anybody, though, so... light therapy, maybe mild antidepressants on a temporary basis.

Please consider it.

He ain't wrong, Little Miss Suzy Peesstanding.

I don't hear you dangling from a rope. You should get on that.

Really I'm playing up the glamorous parts of it. This was an early character of mine mind you, and his 'intrigue' usually amounted to listening in on normally inaccessible discussions and stealing mcguffins when able. As far as roguish assassin types go, having someone weirdly comfortable debasing themselves for a job was kind of enjoyable, when most people play the lazy get-rich-quick types.

Justice will be coming for traitors like you, conservicuck. Your family will burn up screaming in the ovens right next to the local congregation and their kike masters.

>transgender lifestyle

I hate the concern trolling the most, but it's a good thing there's these buzzwords to alert people about this shit.

Yeah, the trick is that the whole 'day of the rope' concept doesn't work as a threat when the people you're threatening aren't anti-gun wimps.

If you can hang someone while you're bleeding from a gunshot wound, man, you've earned it, but I'll make you work for it.

>traitors

lol, scared white boy. You can try. But you'll find that Texans are pretty well-armed and don't take kindly to your shit.

Gays are just as bad, if not worse, because they honestly believe there's nothing wrong with themselves, while trans are just committed to the idea they were born wrong.

So not only is it a special snowflake of a faggot, but an attention whore too.

Sounds like a tranny alright

Gays are an aberration but they aren't hurting anyone, dude.
Gay animals exist in nature. That is a thing that happens.

There's also a big difference between a gay person being what they actually ARE, and a crazy person cutting their junk up to try and become something they factually ARE NOT.

Being bigoted against people who are mentally ill and wishing them death doesn't make you a good person. It basically makes you the only person who actually IS a bigot in this situation.
Society has to help people, stupid.

>and only dresses as a girl and lies about himself because he has a complex about his weakness.

So, a tranny right before he starts convincing himself he was actually a girl all along??

>I hate fun, campaigns involving kingmaking, and PCs attempting anything other than swording monsters

ok then

>Gay animals exist in nature. That is a thing that happens.
Didn't one of the most famous gay animals of all time finally go and crush some puffin pussy?

>hurr durr trannies is FUN XDDDD
If that were the case they'd probably be killing themselves less.

There's also rapist animals and animals that eat their own children.

More importantly, fuck off with your "that's what they ARE" bullshit, like the concept of immutable inherent sexuality isn't a modern construction to try and prevent people from forcing you to stop being dumb faggots.

Oh, and do consider the advice to kill yourself. You seem like one of those committed faggots.

No amount of the "Good Ol Boys" will stand up to the genuine revolution. Your "conservative allies" will be the first ones broken by the kikes once the real war begins, and your families will be literally torn apart by the state's mudblooded hordes of "soldiers".

Of course even if you come crying to the vanguard there will be no help coming for traitors, only a painful death.

It sounds like you're assuming all this beforehand instead of letting it happen naturally.
Have you talked to her about it? Maybe she does want something longterm

In the game, the opposite actually happens.

They're in a dire situation, and he realizes that he can't wallow in self-loathing anymore, so he reveals his secret to a person he admires, a really tough guy, and decides to work out with him to get better.

Said friend kills him over it, claiming weakly that it's to keep his secret safe.

>You correctly identified their logical flaws
The problem is one group talks about gender roles in society, then another talks about gender identity, and some asshole who hears both goes "Hurr durr, it's one or the other stupid!"

Not that there aren't some dumbasses who do contradict themselves with regard to gender being social and/or physical, but the majority of the confusion over the issue stems from people not understanding the difference between gender roles (which, now that we're no longer in the stone age and fighting for survival on a daily basis, are primarily social in nature) and gender identity, which is determined primarily by hormones and brain morphology, and thus physical in nature.

>mudblooded

Idiot, I -am- hispanic, you retard.

I don't know what backwoods part of the North you come from, but in case you didn't realize, hispanics fucking hate jews.

>her
Also any "relationship" with a tranny is a dead end anyways.

And that has what to do with a tabletop character?

>concern trolling
I... don't know what that is meant to mean?
I'm not kidding or pretending, if that's what you're saying.
I genuinely think that it's a good idea to consider a therapy option. Surgical procedures on healthy bodies is never going to be a good idea, and there is no such thing as being 'born in the wrong body'.

The only real solution to a disorder in which you feel like you don't fit in your skin is to fix the delusion that causes you to feel that way, because... you are your skin. Your body IS you. This isn't Eclipse Phase. There is no magical higher self that can jump out of one body and into another one. That sack of meat is the sum total of what you are, and you can't be in the 'wrong' body because you only get one. It's the right one by default--there was no other option.