bring them inline with the toughness system scrap the vehicle damage chart make the vehicle damage chart less punishing make glances not auto-remove hullpoints nerf haywire lower the proliferation of high-strength weaponry
Ian Morales
Make them toughness based and let them have rule "mechanical" that makes them more vehicle-like. Also transfer this "mechanical"-rule to some units/MCs that are clearly more machines than biological like tau suits, servitors, talos/cronos, eldar&necron wraiths etc.
Carter Baker
I want to get into Warhammer 40k. Trouble is, i got ZERO experience with this hobby or pen and paer RPG titles at all.
HALP PLS
Bentley Barnes
Holy shit guys, it's finally happening!
Hunter Scott
i claim this thread in the name of the changer of ways
Nathaniel Wright
Make bikes, battlesuits, wraith units, etc. vehicles.
Problem solved.
Jaxson Stewart
Dont
Justin Hughes
first off, Warhammer 40k is NOT a pen and paper RPG. It is a tabletop war game.
Step one: watch some youtube battle report Step two: download the core rulebook (which is in the mega link in the OP) step three: browse games-workshop.com and look at the army that LOOKS most appealing to you. step four: read up on that army, both its background and playstyle. Repeat 3 and 4 until you've found an army you like step five: download that army's codex (again, in the mega) step six: buy a start collecting! box if one is available for that army, otherwise buy a small starting force (about 500 points) step seven: give up 40k because you realize that its ludicrously expensive and the rules are terrible (just kidding, its still fun though)
Dylan Hill
Anybody use Chaosorcs superstore?
Nolan Turner
defectivehormagaunt.jpg
Jacob Diaz
>read battle brothers FAQ >it only matters to dedicated transports and the units that those transports are dedicated to. >the units are the battle brothers who have conflict in trying to deploy in a dedicated transport dedicated to another unit
And you had me worrying that i was playing against the rules this whole time.
Aiden Jones
What have you done. Don't bring this back up again!
William Hernandez
I think that it is essential for us all to know the rules :^)
Noah Diaz
Someone post that unbound ork list with the blitz brigade in it :^)
Chase Sanchez
You probably want the 40k rpg general. This is for the same setting but in a munerature wargame setting. The pen and paper games are rather decent
Samuel Cook
Buff walkers, make the tau suits walkers Decrease stomp
Christopher Richardson
Why.
Angel Wright
Is there any army where I can take all monstrous creatures? Or all walkers? Basically I want stompy robot or monster troops.
William Lopez
Vechicles are fine (or maybe add some roll if damage table should be applied after pen).
Problem is: - D everywhere - Lance everywhere - GMC being simply better - Stomp > blitz -Grav bullshit
Kayden Rodriguez
Would Deathwatch style squad construction benefit Tyranids? IE You take a squad of Warriors, add on a Hive Guard and a set of gaunts to flavor?
Brayden Davis
Farsight Enclaves, maybe Tyranids too?
There are formations for marines and CSM that let you take almost only dreads/helbrutes.
Joshua Cooper
Whats the problem with this? It's balanced unit.
Not bullshit OP like wraiths.
As Necron player, i would never use it. At this price i would field C'Tan Nightbringer for fun game.
Lincoln Williams
>its balanced unit >i would rather field a c'tan Great balance you got there
Kayden Turner
>Necron robot immune to poison and fleshbane Well okay I guess. >Mechanicum robot only gets pseudo immune to poison and re-roll on fleshbane Yeah fuck you too ForgeWorkshop.
Hudson Mitchell
I'm loathe to suggest it, but Eldar can do it too, if you don't want any friends
Jacob Cox
Not really due to the majority toughness rule. only works for deathwatch since they're all T4
Ryder Anderson
Speaking as a Mechanicum player, the robots are fine as is.
Andrew Price
Well if you're willing to delve into the dark expensive depths of 30k, you can take a full beep bloop monstrous creature army with the Mechanicus that isn't even bullshit OP.
Nathan Richardson
>Nerf Haywire, Grav, Deep Strike, and MSU. All of these are major contributors to vehicles dying too easily.
>Nerf the OP monsters. Vehicles are supposed to gain immunity to small arms fire in exchange for suffering crippling effects from the heavy weapons that do harm them. Monstrous Creatures on the other hand are susceptible to small arms fire but don't get crippled. A handful of monsters completely fuck this over by being so stupidly durable that they might as well be immune to small arms fire. Riptides and Wraithknights are the primary examples. FMC's are also problematic, but that's due to the way fliers were Frankensteined onto the rules.
Make non-Assault vehicles viable transports for assault units- bringing back assault out of stationary vehicles largely accomplishes this. It's not a big issue for a lot of factions, but there are a handful of mechanized armies and units that desperately need this buff. Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Chaos Space Marines, Howling Banshees.
Jason Long
Yeah, I'm fine as it is, despite how useless a re-roll on fleshbane is. But why does this robot get an even better version of that rule?
Ayden Long
>Necron robot immune to poison and fleshbane
It IS an inorganic construct made out of regenerative space-mithril. The AdMech still uses organic components as the base of all their machinery because AI's are really, really bad, so it makes since they can still be somewhat affected by them.
Alexander Thomas
Pic related.
Matthew Murphy
It's not though. It's about any transports belonging to a Battle Brother. Levels of alliance only matter to units outside your faction.
Liam Gonzalez
Well you can repair them with space tech magic so I imagine they must have some kind of regeneration tech.
Matthew Sanders
Thats not true at all. We got into this last thread, levels of alliance apply to ALL MODELS.
Christian Johnson
Page 126, Allies >this section tells you how models from different Factions fight alongside each other. >The Allies Matrix below shows the levels of alliance between units that have different Factions in the same army.
Someone literally posted this page last thread.
Elijah Rodriguez
>mfw Chaos player with this Codex and IK
Why is life suffering? Why must I be limited to one fucking sheet instead of all the fun stuff?
Jacob Smith
It dies without accomplishing anything every. Single. Time. I field it.
Jack Lee
Don't worry. There's like 50/50 odds that Traitor's Hate is just going to be some evil knight titan formations (all Khorne themed of course) and a new Kharn datasheet.
James Turner
Khârn's Chaos Kuhnigget Crew
Khârn the Betrayer and 8 Chaos Knight Titans
All models in this formation gain the Rage and Hatred special rules. Any model from this formation that rolls a 1 to Hit immediately hits the nearest friendly model with that attack instead.
Brandon Campbell
Yeah, but they'd still have to shoot through all the gaunts to get to the warriors or whatever. Imagine if gaunts were just an upgrade rather than a unit unto themselves. Just ablative wounds as they're fluffed to be.
Dominic Ross
So I shoot down Kharn for a piss easy first blood I guess.
Carter Cox
Blood for the Blood God!
Isaac Robinson
>Traitor's Hate What?
I've heard nothing of this. The only thing I know that's rumored right now is the 30k box set with yiffs and predusties
Jose Smith
I believe supposedly we're getting (Another) khorne themed CSM campaign / release featuring a new kharn model
Tyler Edwards
Traitor's Hate is just the rumored name for the CSM supplement atia mentioned. >"First monthly white dwarf has the new Khârn in it (leaning forward charging).
>Also a campaign type book with new rules for Chaos Space Marines. It's not a new Codex, but does have cool new rules.
Samuel Martinez
Still no IA14
Adrian Brown
isn't that coming out sometime this year?
Kayden Ross
Anyone got the new Deathwatch codex yet?
Jose Smith
>more Khorne shit God fucking dammit
Don't get me wrong, I love Khorne but why the fuck do they give CSM players the shaft? I'm just regurgitating shit everyone already knows but what does GW gain by fucking us?
>not updated since 6e >re-release old supplements >fucked for vehicles unless you want FW books >Renegade Knights finally, but bare as fuck with a meager buff for running three compared to the Imperial Codex
And people wonder why I run IA:13. Gonna grab Siege of Vraks basically for Zombies and Renegade Leman Russ tanks whenever I have the extra $80.
At least I don't play Orks
Sebastian Wright
>Yeah, but they'd still have to shoot through all the gaunts to get to the warriors Unless you know, they shoot at you from a different direction than where the gaunts are at the front. plus gaunt are piss easy to remove.
and if gaunts were an upgrade they still wouldnt work. Tau have a system like that with their drones, and it only works due to the drones sharing the same toughness as the suits they'll be joining.
don't think i'm trying to flunk you for the idea, i'm all for little rules that'd fit the way a unit is described in the fluff.
Nicholas Turner
Deathwatch Codex and painting guide PDFs when? Also the fluff booklet from the limited edition.
Joseph Cox
Damn heretics, trying to smooth their self-conscious by justifying their slaughter with honor...
Evan Campbell
With Space Wolves (some detachment)and Blood Angel allies (Libbie Dread and Cassor for required slots), you can have a bound Dreadnought exclusive army.
Robert Williams
I've heard its coming out in December.
Zachary Stewart
I've heard July and August. Then September. And the rest.
Lincoln Gutierrez
GW Facebook page just revealed new Kharn model. I'm a dirty phone poster otherwise I'd link
Camden Rivera
I really wish FW would at least say what quarter its coming out in. It wouldn't be that hard.
Elijah Jones
How's my first Khorne marine?
Jonathan Cooper
BREAK THEIR BACKS!
Michael Fisher
I'd give you an A for effort on your first try. What's that purple thing on the base though?
Justin Green
Read the FAQ slowwwwwlllyyyy... i.4cdn.org/tg/1471965538939.jpg >Q: Can units that are Battle Brothers embark in each other’s Transport vehicles during deployment? >units that are battle brothers >UNITS >each other's TRANSPORT vehicles >*each other's* is implying that those TRANSPORTS are dedicated The units are the battle brothers in question not the transport vehicles. You CAN embark during deployment if the transport is not a dedicated one. Dedicated to another UNIT.
Eli Campbell
>New chaos models I FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING ME IT IS A GOOD model
Gabriel Taylor
Looks kinda shit. Is he tripping? And those thigh plates look like overdesigned AoS crap.
Jack Ramirez
>not Slaanesh Don't care. GW doesn't care about chaos anyways.
Jace Green
FUCKING FINALLY. PREORDER CONFIRMED
NOW GIV PLASTIC ZERKERS REEEEEEEEEEE
Jaxson Robinson
PLASTIC ZERKERS ALREADY EXIST, GOYIM. JUST LIKE PLASTIC CSM TACS AND POSSESSED :^))))))
Aaron Young
Early next year, they are busy with Inferno.
Gabriel Turner
They do care, especially about Slaanesh. In fact they care about Slaanesh so much that they are actively going to kill it in the lore!
You think Eldar totally failed to rebirth Ynnead? Think again!
Anthony Ward
I think thats a very unflattering angle. check the vidio, you get about a second of rotating mini
Elijah Perez
Theyre rumours of a plastic KoS and the guys at GW said some big shits coming out for slaanesh
Parker Cooper
They are rumors of plastic LoC, not KoS.
Jose Parker
plastic LoC rumours died out a while ago. KoS is the new hot rumour
Kayden Bell
GIV PLASTIC DREADCLAW AND NEW PLASTIC ZERKERS NAO
REEEEEEEE
PLS GW I NEED FOAR 30K
Sebastian Sanchez
It's a eldar helmet First time trying out basing as well
Levi Johnson
>Eldar helmet A+
Elijah Sullivan
>leaked miniature >GW one-ups the leak
Fuckin' GW.
Angel Martinez
Guys, all of the Khornate dubs, trips, and quads from the recent threads have finally done it. Khornate junk confirmed. HE HAS ARRIVED! Al'Kaps, you didn't say please.
Nathaniel Torres
>KoS They keep censoring Slaanesh so i am completely uninterested in their new models. The chaos god with my favorite lore is kill.
Isaiah Jones
Are there any interesting ways to pose a Furioso Dreadnought?
Joseph Gonzalez
what is this new and glorious world we live in
Jackson Brown
upside down
Owen Rogers
It feels like the villain has reformed. I still can't trust them yet but I have hope.
Daniel Brooks
Can someone explain why I would pay as much as a landraider for fag cannon Deathwatch?
S6 Rending flamers can't penetrate AV14, unlike the lascannon's S9 AP1 heavy 2.
And don't even try to compare T4 3+ against D-Thirsters/Smashfucker
Isaiah Cox
i like you
i kill you last
Matthew Edwards
3rd edition rulebook pdf anyone? cant find in op unless i'm a tremendous fucknut.
Luis Nelson
pretty sweet
don't think I'll buy it, but about time
Adrian Ortiz
Can someone explain why I would pay as much as a landraider for plasma gun sternguard?
S7 ap2 rapid fire can't penetrate AV14, unlike the lascannon's S9 AP1 heavy 2.
And don't even try to compare T4 3+ against D-Thirsters/Smashfucker
Thomas Davis
Can someone explain why I would pay as much as a landraider for exarch warpspiders?
S6 wounds on initiative can't penetrate AV14, unlike the lascannon's S9 AP1 heavy 2.
And don't even try to compare T3 3+ against D-Thirsters/Smashfucker
Jace Watson
Exactly
Deathwatch are completely useless.
Gavin Clark
Can someone explain why I would pay as much as a landraider for missile broadsides?
A million S7 can't penetrate AV14, unlike the lascannon's S9 AP1 heavy 2.
And don't even try to compare T4 2+ against D-Thirsters/Smashfucker
Xavier Brooks
>S9 AP1 Heavy 2
Since when Lascannons stop being S9 AP2 Heavy 1?
Aiden Jones
Source?
Eli Torres
I have no idea. But that post is clearly mocking landraider-lover
Easton Brown
Can someone explain why I would pay as much as a landraider for a landraider redeemer?
S6 Assault and Flamestorm cannons can't penetrate AV14, unlike the lascannon's S9 AP 1 heavy 2.
And don't even try to compare AV 14 against D-Thirsters/Smashfucker.
Nathaniel Brooks
Can someone explain why I would pay as much as a landraider phobos for a landraider crusader? S6 Rending assault cannons can't penetrate AV14, unlike the lascannon's S9 AP1 heavy 1 twinlinked.
And don't even try to compare AV14 against D-Thirsters/Smashfucker
Hunter Sanders
I misspoke. Sue me. I don't see how that has anything to do with lascannon having two shots, which they don't.
Why do you care so much? I'm not going to stop discussing rules just because I made a mistake or two and that triggers your autism or something.