Horus Heresy General /hhg/

Are the Questoris Knights Paladins any different from Imperial Knight Paladins aside from the gun? I need the rules for one as a filler for one game.

You done did goof, son.

>The picture
What the...?

I expect nothing occurs until he reaches true death.

As for BA it would make sense, seeing as Omegon could feel it across half the galaxy

Are the Domitar-Ferrum any good?
Are Lascannon Havocs worth it?
Why does the missile launcher look stupid?

>destroyers with jump packs
>can take one power weapon
>325pts.
>assault squad with forge lord with servo-arm jump pack and rad grenades
>can take up to 4 power weapons
>290pts.

>destroyers with 2 rad missile launchers
>300pts.
>techmarine with rad grenades and 2 servitors with rad missile launchers
>119pts.

I will never understand Destroyers.

Oh, cool, the range-ban is gone. Now I don't have to wait until I get home to post.

I dunno mate. They're so cool, but they suck so much. It's weird that the SW and not the DG are getting a special Destroyer unit.

DG aren't special snowflakes, SW are.

>Desire to cross the mass grave intensifies

FW needed to sell ass marines, but not even them knew how to fix destroyers
>Too few people take ass marines, so we're making them cheaper
>Too few people take destroyers, so we don't have any data with we can work with.

DG are all basically destroyers.

Are the SW destroyers even confirmed?

DG are heavy infantry first and foremost.

I guess they calculated that if rad grenades are 10pts. and all Destroyers have them, that's 100pts. right there. Second bolt pistol is like 2-3pts. per model and the rest goes into the Counter-Attack USR. That explains the 150pts. difference between 10 Destroyers and 10 Assault Marines.

Yes. Confirmed at the last Open Day, Nurgle.

>chem-ammo for every flamer
>two special terminator units stocked with chem-ammo and poison grenades
>RoW that lets just about every unit have rad grenades

>Reaping DG sgt gives his 20-man ass squad rad grenades for 0.5pts per nigger
>A squad meant to kill unkillable lifeforms uses two pistols as main weapons.

Meduson was one of the more sane remaining and Amadeus DuCaine held his shit together the same in his last moments, although it must be taken into consideration that they were both Terrans and their gene-seed wasn't extracted directly from the primarch, but from the Emperor's remaining primarch gene-samples, so the connection between them may have been weaker.
Another argument supporting this is the fact that most Terrans from the traitor legions were expected to turn from their primarchs unless there were other factors like the Nails or psychic ability.

They operated alongside the SoHs using hammer&anvil tactics, and Istvaan III and Galaspar were infantry battles and ZM.
They simply fought on death worlds more often than other legions, and were undaunted by the prospect of using chem weaponry.
Poison ships, however, those guys are full destroyer cadres.

It still doesn't give the Wolves any excuse for a Destroyer special unit. Didn't Sevatar said whenever the SW were ordered to kill something they'd do so warrior vs warrior, presumably using chainaxes as well?

>whenever the SW were ordered to kill something they'd do so warrior vs warrior

Give their Destroyers power weapons and I'm sure they can do it.

>presumably using chainaxes as well

Free chainaxes?

So seekers seem pretty decent, bs5 is pretty sweet. But should I give them combis or just stick with the basic bolters with ammo?

Why wouldn't the Emperor's Executioners have a Destroyer Unit specifically-tailored to kill Power Armoured enemies?

Special ammo gives you range, blasts and AP2 shots. What else do you need?

Could be that they'll be focused more on phosphex than rad, it would suit the viking image as pillagers and arsonists.

Forgive me, my lords.
Give the dead respect or their disturbed spirits will seek revenge, user.

Then it'd be even weirder how they failed to annihilate the TS with Custodes and SoS support AND Destroyer units.

Yeah, but in 40k phosphex is worse than rad.

Meltaguns?

IIRC phosphex was only regularly used by the DG, and even then not that much, SW probably consider it inhumane

Depends. Do you regularly see big 2+ deathstars or non-AC vehicle spam? Then yes. Otherwise though, fuck that. While plasma is a big investment, its much, much better than the heavy requirement for the new shells-the one time i've seen seekers earn their points back easily it was against a big NL praetor+termie-brigade that'd teleported down the turn before into a DG mortar battery, where plasma death was unloaded from their land raider without having to snapshot

>As for BA it would make sense, seeing as Omegon could feel it across half the galaxy
Thought so. Horus did want to be cruel as he could be went he killed Papa. He wanted all of the BAs to feel it.

If you want outflanking (combi-)meltas, why not vets?

So you don't consider seekers worth taking? They are pretty expensive I suppose.

Yeah but they also want proper fights against tough enemies whilst Vikings picked on unarmed and defenceless communities like the niggers they were

Imagine the SoH were fucking them over pretty bad.

Special ammo is good enough now that Scorpius is AP2.
Combi-weapons become useful for deathstars such as 2W terminators and primarchs, melta for the former and plasma for the latter. I'm not sure about flamers, but volkite and grenade launchers on seekers are useless.

How so? Phosphex at least denies AS.

What about the Dreadwing? We didn't know about that until few months ago, the Wolves' secrets are still to be revealed, and they very quite a secretive legion from the go, being in the batch with XVIII and XX. And the gene-seed issues pre-primarch are hinted at in Massacre, but we don't know about it (and primarchs other than Horus definitely don't) as Russ was found early in the Crusade. So there's a lot to work with for mr. Bligh.

It'd be an explanation: SoHs sent to oversee the Warmaster's command is carried out...yet subtely preventing the total destruction of a faction that would eventually join the traitors.

That doesn't fit with lore though, Horus (and the daemon) wanted SW and TS to destroy each other. He botched it up real good, since the SW survived and a decimated TS joined him, but did almost nothing

>volkite and grenade launchers are useless.

FTFY

10 vets with 10 combi-weapons, Sniper and Outflank is 260pts. 10 Seekers stock is 255pts.

My Volkite Carronade begs to differ.

You do know we're talking about combi-weapons, right?

Actually they hide much bestial cunning under the noble savage image, Russ himself admits he wouldn't hesitate stabbing someone in the back if that was what was required to get the job done.
And Russ and the Wolves appear alongside Curze and his legion in Lorgar's thoughts and visions, first that he fears those two being sent after him, the second when Ingethel shows him a possible future where Russ and Curze rip his heart out and enact the ritual meant to kill his gene-sons.

But then Magnus fails again. Up to now, it was his sulking that foiled mutual destruction of the two legions, the outcome Horus had wanted. Let's just wait and see what they come up with.
This.

That's all fine, but Vets don't have Preferred Enemy nor BS5, two things which in combination with combi-weapons wreck shit.

If Preferred Enemy against one unit and +1 BS is worth 95pts. to you, by all means.

Basic seekers full squad is 255, firing scorpius that's 4.938 terminators dead or 7.407 MEQ

Seekers are awesome.

Dig deeper

Just they don't need combi weapons, keep 'em hunting infantry.

Maxed out Seekers will kill a Primarch or a Deathstar (much as I'm not fond of the term), or will at least seriusly damage them, Veterans won't.
After spending their combis they have an open field to harass enemy units with Special Issue Ammo.

So are they abandoning the Omegon=Janus storyline? such a shame

Vets also have Implacable advance and still rock around with sniper after that.

Indeed, that's their main role. You can add some combis if you have spare points.

If I have enough spare points to kit seekers out with combis, I'd look at taking a predator or something, fit the thing with a heavy conversion beamer if I had a few extra points spare.

It depends on your army synergy/plastyle/RoW/Legion :)

AL/RG infiltrating seekers for the lols.

Seekers have it too. If Sniper is the only thing you use Vets for, you're doing it wrong. Vets are supposed to be flexible while Seekers are more focused unit, and it shows in profiles.

next round; 5x (post pic of own minature + list containing it) = surprise

Probably the killing fields in Cambodia

But sniper is super flexible. Its affixed to all thier shooting attacks, and isn't affected by movement. And outflank gives you a respectable ability to pop up in the backfield, and being they have pistols, combat weapons and 2 attacks base which makes them nasty in close combat.

DG are happy to walk right through the poisoned ground they've left. Everyone else flies over it.

Nigga did anything even come of the last time you posted this shit?

yeah, I gave about half of what I've got until one user posted his mini + list and then the thread died.
I'd say you have about 6 hours until I leave this thread one way or the other.

Hey I thought nobody saw that. That was me. Just wanted to post my list desu.

Some hexadecimal scrapcode.

I agree with everything you said. They both have different roles.

Hold on, motherfucker, I just prepared my wet palette. I'll try to post a marine in the next 3 hours.

I count 4 lists.

ah, very nice. Unfortunately they posted after I left the thread. But I am no dick, so here are 4 of 8 parts:
096B-F263-36B3-2036
Now give me more for the remaining parts.

4 parts of what, exactly?

first few layers of my Luna wolf rhino for a 1000 point list comming up next weekend.

Delegatus, AA, RF, MC Power axe
Tactical Squad 10 man, extra ccws, vexila, sergeant with PF, Combi plasma and AA, squad has a base rhino
Tactical Squad 10 man, extra ccws, vexila, sergeant with PF, Combi plasma and AA squad has a base rhino
Assault Squad 10 man, sergeant with artificer and thunder hammer

Vindicator

Is there some Alpha Legion infiltration going on here?

Remove the eagle. Don't paint white paint grey and highlight with white. Celestra grey is the colour you need to base with to paint white.

Sounds like what an Alpha Legion infiltrator would say!

...

I haven't gotten to white yet, just first layer of off white.

Guys, how many assault cannons could a 20,000 point BA list bring? I'm curious.

only some random characters that popped into my mind. I don't need them, user can have them. It's that simple.

I don't know what you mean.

B316

>Emperor is usually surrounded by hundreds of Sisters of Silence
>Their combined pariah effects seem to affect him not
>It's widely known that a single pariah's aura can ravage the minds of powerful psykers

What gives?

Fuck you E do what he tell you.

he's that good.

Well at that point you're playing apocalypse so check this list out:
70x Ten man heavy support squad with ass cans: 285x70 = 19950
One land speeder with an ass can and a HK-missile = 50
So 701.

>only EC have aquila in 30k

FW laughs at you.

I think at that point I would become Zardoz's chosen.

This, the Eagle is simply not a common icon in 30k, the Emperors Children are a change from the norm that they all have the right to bear it.

You don't put eagles on your mass-produced, expendable transports moron. Its a mark of honor.

This is legionary Alpharius of squad Alpharius with one layer of basecoat, because I won't manage to paint him today.

Here's the army list:
Alpha Legion - Zone Mortalis 1000 Points

HQ:
Autilon Skorr - Rite of War: Coils of the Hydra

Troops:
Legion Tactical Squad - 10 man, Combi-weapon
Legion Tactical Squad - 10 man, Combi-weapon

Elite:
Mhara Gal Tainted Dreadnought
Apothecary, Combi-weapon
Apothecary

Heavy Support:
Legion Heavy Support Squad - 7 man, Heavy Flamers, Hardened Armour

1000/1000 Points

COTH requires 3 troop choices.

Fuck, I can't combine rites with ZM charts?

And simple transports aren't worthy of honoring?
Their crews haven't acted with valour?

>mass produced transports can't gain honor

FW continues to laugh.

Can you take the Mhara Gal? Even with Coils of the Hydra doesn't it require Legion Astartes usr?

CE9E

it just says "Legion unique unit" so you can steal the mhara ghal and the iron circle.

You're one of them, aren't you?

And the Duckwing and the Anvillus Dreadclaw (SoH) as Elite.