I leave you guys alone for ten minutes and you tie up one of the contests? What's that all about?
Liam Murphy
the angel and devil parallel is too good you may have to tiebreaker it yourself
Christopher Brown
How goes recovering your Steam?
Anthony Gonzalez
Also
If it comes to a tie I'd give it to Laurela, Cala doesn't seem well suited to a stand up fight, while her opponent is an angel.
Ian Ward
If that tie isn't broken in the next seven minutes, I will break it personally.
If you haven't voted, then vote.
Thomas Wood
It's back in my shitty hands. The time it was spent stolen is the only time my account has ever played CS:GO. Fucking Russians.
Already done, friendo. Time to expire.
Cameron Smith
Cala herself may not be up for a standup fight, but I bet she could swarm Laurela with summoned devils. Picture, if you will, a zerg rush.
Ryder Gonzalez
Time's up. I have elected to break the tie in the first battle via virtual coin flip in order to remain impartial. The flakes of this segment moving onto Round Two are as follows:
>Cala >Emile >Sydhar >Inzhu
The next bunch of flakes are as follows, and I have no recommendations for disqualifications:
If I hear no recommendations for disqualification within the next 10 minutes, I will reveal the match-ups.
Evan Peterson
kathos gon get dunked on, poor guy. What is it with the money guys and just not having the brawn? but for real, none seem up for disqualification.
Owen Collins
Iosha has an interplanar ship which Graveborn proved isn't kosher post mending. Naran is another "ignore the plot of DTK" flake
Joseph Anderson
Just under the wire with that one, I almost started the match-ups.
Does anyone else want to weigh in on this?
Nathaniel Martin
isn't Iosha working on the lgoic that whatever venser was doing might have succeeded? IIRC, wizards hasn't given confirmation on that, but Koth seemed to think it would have. I mean, I'll support disqualifying graveborn because he breaks more than just that, but planar ships are still a subject of relevance in the story, they just haven't confirmed or denied anything about them yet.
Ian Barnes
While Iosha's ship is lore-breaking, she herself is not. If we just remove her ship from the equation and keep her artifice, she's perfectly kosher.
I'm not done reading Naran yet.
Hudson Jones
As a reminder, flakes are assumed to begin with no set-up and pre-summons when these battles begin.
Juan Jones
Naran interacts a bit too closely with canon, for my taste. I'll leave it to your discretion.
Chase Thompson
That was suggested in the flake point, replace it with a bag of holding, but she chose to keep the airship in in her current section.
Lucas Roberts
Having read the discussions, I think that we will be fine with no disqualifications. The match-ups are as follows:
>Anastasia VS Tien Sheng >Ussa VS Cadros >Evantu VS Iosha >Kathos VS Naran
BEGIN DISCUSSION! POLLS WILL BE UP SHORTLY!
Angel Bennett
Anastasia vs Tien Sheng is pic related Ussa fucks Cadros into submission Iosha wins Kathos wins.
Michael Butler
Since we're in a new thread, I will re-post the rules of the Ice Age:
>During each round, flakes will be assigned to random opponents in single-elimination tournament fashion. >Flakes will be treated as though they are all neowalkers in order to create a balance of power. >Flakes with meme-levels of power will be treated as though they weren’t. >Flakes that directly contradict lore, especially by going against or interacting inappropriately with canon characters, will be disqualified. >Flakes that are joke or troll flakes will be disqualified. The use of silver-bordered cards in a flake’s preferred spell list automatically disqualifies them.
>During the first round, all flakes will be placed into the roster randomly. Flakes that are disqualified will give their random opponents a bye for the round. >During the first round, flakes will be revealed in smaller groups, noting disqualifications and asking the thread if they wish to disqualify anyone else.
>During each round, small groups of flake match-ups will be revealed >Arguments and votes will be taken from the thread over which flake is likely to prevail over the other. >After each round, the flakes that move on will be re-randomized on the roster to make match-ups unpredictable.
>Match-Up rules will treat both competing flakes in a match as though they are both forced into conflict with the other, and neither is allowed to planeswalk away until a winner is determined. Flakes will be treated as though they start with zero assisting summons and will not have prepared for this encounter.
Andrew Bennett
Hmmm.
>Anastasia VS Tien Sheng Well, Sheng is clearly more experienced in combat, but Anastasia has probability manipulation. If Tien Sheng had some of his army with him (since that's his big thing) I'd give it to him. But 1v1, chaos powers are just a bit op. Anastasia takes it.
>Ussa Vs Cadros I've gotta give it to Cadros. Ussa has some excellent hypnosis powers, but she's really not proven herself in a fight.
>Evantu VS Iosha Iosha is a great artificer, but Evantu is a highly trained physical combatant. I think it'd be close, but in the end, Evantu would take it. Training counts for a lot.
>Kathos VS Naran Probably Naran. She has a wider repertoire of spells. Also, poor Kathos is just a jeweler.
Tian Sheng has his fight down as far as I can tell, Anastasia seems to be too, well, vanilla to be of note and I'm simply not convinced her skills in chaos can beat his selection. Even if she can do 150% of a normal fighter's power 50% of the time, Tian's got 100% 100% of the time.
In Ussa's fight, while she lacks diversity good god does she have power in her summons. Hypnosis or not, Gaea's revenge is something you just don't throw normal people at.
Evantu might as well be a top-tier flake with all his power, Iosha's neat but can't match whatever the fuck he is. He's a monster, she's a woman with a boat.
Naran wins their fight, Kathos just likes shiny moneys, I don't even think he can throw a punch, let alone a powerful combat spell beyond gild.
Gabriel Parker
Kathos is a jeweler, not a fighter. Poor dude's done Unless his age is catching up to him, Tien Sheng has got this one for being a general from edgy proto-Tarkir. Ussa is lazy but terrifyingly strong. Plus her summons are huge. I'd give it to her, but it'd be close Iosha just seems like she'd win to me.
Zachary Lee
Why Iosha? While I do like her and her powerset, I don't think it can topple the thing Evantu is, what's your reasoning?
TEN MINUTE CALL, FOLKS. Make your last arguments and votes, because in ten minutes, I am calling the winners and revealing the next bunch of flakes!
Jaxon Nguyen
hehe, someone had a poll highlighted
what are you calling the winners? bad names?
Carson Richardson
My main difference is experience. While he has a fuckton of spells, he seems more interested in training than anything.
Iosha also claims to be fighting phyrexia somewhere. That's always notable.
Grayson Brown
IN THE BEDROOM WITH NISHAL DAILY NIGHTLY EVER SO RIGHTLY
Lincoln Collins
fair enough. While I still think the nature of the creature that Evantu is makes him a higher tier of power than most, Iosha's skill would definitely not make it an easy fight.
Levi Cooper
Dude, Evantu is just a highly trained human monk. Don't let his pic fool you.
Angel Brown
Time's up, folks! The following flakes will move onto Round Two: >Anastasia >Ussa >Iosha >Naran
At this time, I recommend Gotyr for disqualification on the premise that Avatars are not their own beings and should reasonably not be Planeswalkers.
Kayden Nelson
I agree. Gotyr should be disqualified. There's no confirmation an avatar can have a spark.
Aiden Walker
Not sure if Gotyr works, may have to be disq'd. I'd be ok with his avatar race if he was something else that became an avatar rather than being born one, but he wasn't, so I think he has to go.
Evan Martinez
I'd agree. I personally like Gotyr, but the avatar thing does kinda mess that up. Plus, him and sock both being out means we can have a round with no byes.
Alexander Reed
It's amazing to think that after this set of flakes, we'll only have gone through about 1/10th of them.
Jose Hughes
hue
Nolan Cook
I could do it that way, but I won't. I assigned everyone to their opponent randomly before I even began doing this. Instead of no byes, this round will have TWO byes, and it's because the match-ups are nigh:
>Miyja VS Maxwell
>Sock VS Double [Sock is disqualified] Double gets a bye to Round Two due to Sock's disqualification.
>Terut VS Ombretta
>Bavara VS Gotyr [Gotyr is disqualified] Bavara gets a bye to Round Two due to Gotyr's disqualification.
START DISCUSSING! Polls will be up shortly.
Caleb Harris
I think Terut might be too skilled at keeping it in his pants to lose to Ombretta, not to mention being very offensive in magical focus.
I don't like Miyja, but Maxwell is just a petty magician of cheap burn tricks, he's outclassed in power.
Jose Edwards
Maxwell is a magician. Miyja summons big-ass wurms. Miyja wins.
I can't bring myself to read Terut or Ombretta. Too tired.
I'm saying Maxwell takes this one. Miyja has WURMS, but that's also her only trick. She doesn't seem like she'd be able to do too much before she'd gathered a fair amount of mana since her only strategy is rushing with big brutes. Maxwell can steal a march on her and his trickery is likely sufficient to make brute-forcing a win unlikely. Miyja has no backup plan and so she folds.
>Terut vs Ombretta Huh boy, two of mine got set against each other this time, huh...
Terut can absorb a ridiculous amount of punishment without decreasing his ability to fight at all, but he is at a disadvantage in that Ombretta's magic tends to affect luck and emotions, although since she relies on more lethal black magic to "seal the deal" when she can't talk her way out of things and that's not going to work on Terut, he can outlast her, and pain magic is not something Ombretta has the fortitude to withstand for very long. Ombretta will likely set the pace of the battle, but Terut would defeat her eventually. He'd pay dearly for it, but that's kinda business as usual for the poor bastard.
It might be a quicker bout if it's social combat. Terut is basically immune to seduction after the shit his body has been through and Ombretta would leave, quickly, if she saw what he looked like under all that stuff.
Matthew Anderson
Well I was saving this for when I got my next writefagging done, but since flakes are being used for something, it's best to put this out now so the information isn't outdated.
Noah Johnson
Terut is basically a nihilist battle-buddhist, ombretta is the master remover of pants, and also I guess an otherwise very refined lady. She does not appear to be combat skilled at all, save a few tricks.
Asher Russell
TEN MINUTE CALL!
Get your last arguments and votes in. The group of flakes after this one will be the last ones revealed tonight.
Brandon Smith
oh no! I wonder if mine will be in there?
Joseph Young
Maybe, maybe not.
I will tell you this: There are some names in the next set that are going to get everyone's attention.
Joshua Peterson
>inb4 diomedes and gaia matched up in a fight
Angel Gonzalez
>inb4 Vronak memes
Tyler Garcia
Set's over. The following flakes move on to Round Two:
As mighty as DIOMEDES is, I would like to bring everyone's attention to a particularly strange clause that I added to the rules here >Flakes with meme-levels of power will be treated as though they weren’t.
DIOMEDES is for sure a valiant warrior and incredibly skilled fighter, but should not be treated as actually unstoppable just because we have let the joke run for so long. If he is greater than his opponent, then victory shall be his, but do consider that in some cases that he might actually not be.
Charles Cox
Angerfish vs. Bluefingers. Compound names title bout. Make it happen.
Lincoln Wood
Mortemalo is an unglued flake, if I recall. Even then, he's undead. So no.
Jace Phillips
Good eye.
Goodness, that's three flakes removed from the contest. Will tonight's battle set be an anticlimax?
Owen Hall
Isn't Mortemalo a joke flake?
Thomas Williams
huh, zix is actually kinda powerful beyond his weak goblin body, and Perselus has the cheap trick of using eldrazi magic to win.
I'm not sure Thyranno should have a spark, but then again wizards is probably gonna pull some bullshit down the line with elspeth, so I dunno what to do about her. Mortemalo shouldn't have a spark.
>someone wanting a fight with my flake th-thank
Jason Rogers
Mortemalo is indeed unglued. Talo is from the last snowstorm and was added when this one started. Not sure if that matters too much to this.
Ryan Thomas
>Thyranno Surely this one is one that should be discussed.
What say the rest of you?
Logan Howard
I am discussing it, and don't call me Shirley
Andrew Rodriguez
All 222 of the flakes from the repository will be used even if we are disqualifying some of them, including Talo.
Carson Johnson
Gotcha. Just making sure. AS for Thyranno, she's definitely a bit iffy on the "how dead" part. One doesn't simply march of out of Nyx like that. Plus she's ancient. Liches are already a maybe area, but she's on the edge of that maybe.
Kevin Kelly
Matchups when?
I gotta go to bed now.
Henry Reyes
I think thyranno may have to go, but if their user speaks up later a rematch could occur?
Owen Mitchell
I must admit I am biased towards Talo since she is my favorite flake that I have made. Hopefully the samurai pulls through.
Henry Davis
Given the number of people that are questioning Thyranno, I am choosing to disqualify them.
The match-ups for the night are as follows. The poll will be up in five minutes, so start discussing.
>Zix VS DIOMEDES >Raoki VS Talo'ara [Raoki is disqualified] >Thyranno VS Chillbrass [Thyranno and Chillbrass are disqualified] >Mortemalo VS Perselus [Mortemalo is disqualified]
Xavier Cook
Poor zix...
Samuel Turner
I'm actually curious what people think on this one. Diomedes has meme-powers, but time magic is always a very powerful thing to pull. Is diomedes capable of countering time shenanigans? Earlier it was said that all flakes are lowered to an equal level of power if they're overpowered.
Anthony Kelly
Actually, what I said was
>Flakes will be treated as though they are all neowalkers in order to create a balance of power. Oldwalker flakes are treated as though they were weakened by the post-mending.
>Flakes with meme-levels of power will be treated as though they weren’t. Meme-walkers are meant to be considered as though they weren't memes.
Ryan Peterson
Huh, only one real matchup this time around.
It's an interesting one, too. Physically, Zix can't compete with Diomedes, but on the other hand, memes aside, Diomedes is never mentioned to be very magically capable of while Zix has a very powerful form of magic.
The question is, what wins? Dio's strength, or Zix's trickery? I feel like it could go either way, but time powers are pretty hax if you know how to use them, so I'm going to come down favoring Zix slightly.
Nolan King
>tfw diomedes might lose to dio's power that said, I dunno what to do with this one. I think I might lean more to diomedes by favoritism, but will admit on an equal playing field the battle would be extremely close to call.
Levi Russell
Zix vs DIOMEDES. As some of you can tell, this is a complicated kind of battle. And you get all night to think about it, discuss it, and vote.
I will return sometime later after I wake up to move to the next group of flakes, and I will give a ten-minute call when I am going to. If the thread is still alive, I will be able to easily keep things rolling. If the thread is gone, then it will resume even later than that, in the new thread.
Those of you interested in catching up, head back to this thread: Have a good night, snowstorm. The Ice Age has only just begun. When we're done, we will either have a reinvigorated storm, or we will have closure.
Eli Scott
yass thank you, Ice Age user, with Diomedes' entry into the fray, the snow wars have begun
Hudson Price
>strawpoll.me/11121429 I'm giving this one to Dio Zix's magic is nothing to scoff at, but he's not much of a fighter. Dio has an "In case of emergencies, go invincible" spell and Zix lacks any hard hitting spells. That said, this fight's going to take forever in the span of a minute to get through.
Jaxon Brooks
so, how bout' them slivers? when you think we'll see them again?
Justin Baker
When the devs run out of ideas/need a filler set, sure.
Jason Scott
I will say that Diomedes is blessed by The gods and is effectively immortal.
Can Zix deal with that?
Charles Gutierrez
I dunno, zix has time to try things a normal opponent wouldn't, literally, and recently even the gods have been realizing their powers aren't so special. I will say though that the type of immortality Diomedes has, ressurective in nature, does change things a bit, you'll have to be creative with figuring out how to challenge that. We don't know if it restores age when death is by old age, so that might be an edge for zix, forcing diomedes into a permadeath by being unable to resurrect his too old body, but if it does restore age to youth then zix would have to lock diomedes somehow, but such is technically possible with time shenanigans. This is a really good match, because we get to compare two very tough cookies, one mechanically, one physically.
Asher Diaz
I wouldn't try to take time travel over generations in account as X decades later, a flake could be significantly more powerful. So, I think it's safe to say that it shouldn't be measured in this tournament.
Brayden Myers
nono, not time travelling forewards, using time magic to age the opponent on the spot. This idea is used more in demonic concepts or evil wizards, but is an obvious thing for time wizards to try. We don't know if diomedes' resurrective power can counter forced aging. If it can, zix is at a disadvantage and must rely on stopped time and imprisoning diomedes somehow to have a hope of winning, but if diomedes' resurrective immortality doesn't, then zix may have an ace. I will say, though, that I have already voted, and voted for diomedes, because zix does require far more circumstances to be met to win, but not as many as others do. If someone can't disenchant him, imprison him or otherwise incapacitate him, diomedes has advantage.
Parker Hernandez
Hmmm...my phone isn't letting me vote. Probably some scripting error.
+1 Diomedes
I remember the stories where the characters were featured, and Zix just doesn't pack enough of a punch to beat the Akroan.
Robert Russell
Actually, in the lore the only people I know capable of doing that are Clockworkers. Which they don't seem to teach anyone their ways, as shown with Tezerret in Test of Metal.
Dominic Rodriguez
I'm sure if one plane can do it others can, we don't actually know much about zix, and I don't know if his author is around to confirm or deny the applications of time magic he actually knows, so I'm just assuming a little of everything.
If zix's author is here, can you tell us what zix can or cannot do with his time magic learned so far?
Eli King
Zix's author hasn't been around in a bit. But Zix has shown the ability to stop or slow time for a small duration. And he has been training with Will. His typical approach is to avoid conflict, but when the going gets tough he has been seen halting time and sabotaging his enemy, which honestly would be his best bet against Diomedes. But he hasn't shown the ability to travel through time or age an opponent yet.
Eli Williams
oh? is zix featured in flakepoint stuff? Ok, this helps. Yeah, timestop sabotage would be very effective against a very physical opponent like diomedes, but I do admit not having offensive time magic like past travel or forced aging does mean diomedes has the resurrective trump card.
Michael Cox
He's not in Flakepoint stuff, no. But he did have some very good writefaggings early on in the storm. I recommend them. They're some of the best to come out of the storm, imo. Zix has a lot of character.
Camden Young
This isn't a planar thing. This is an ancient group that have no home and live outside of just one particular time. Even running into one is highly unlikely as they tend to pick and choose what timeline and universe they want to live in. Typically choosing the best turn of events for the time they choose to live in. So, I doubt they would live in a time where the events of Tarkir took place.
Blake Wilson
I don't mean the organization, I mean the application of the magic. I'm sure that if the idea of forcing someone to age is an application of time magic one group knows, then we here at original the character central can make other charaters that also know it, BUT, we already have near-confirmation Zix does not have access to that kind of magic, and as such would not be able to use it, swinging favor to dio.
Ryan Martin
That's treading on thin ice with this statement of "if someone canonically knows it then we can surely make a flake know it also" as we got both Nicol Bolas post-Mending making planes, forcing neowalkers and non-walkers to planeswalk, and even Ajani summoning a legendary Nicol Bolas to fight said real Nicol Bolas. Which the real Nicol list to the fake Nicol. This is basically justifying all of despognak's flakes as being non-lore breaking.
William Green
I'm pretty sure agents of artifice or whichever one with clockworking isn't canon. So can I get a source for the 1st 2 claims.
Grayson James
Test of Metal. And it is canon.
John Miller
Also, are you really asking for source on the entire story of be Alara block? There is even a duel deck based around it. If you don't know one of the most pivital storyarchs in the lore, Look it up yourself.
Evan Clark
Help! I'm new to this thread (and MtG lore in general), and there are apparently 222 steel donuts here! How do I get oriented in what's going on?
Nathan Adams
Over fifty of them are made by one person, get out while you still can.
Noah Martinez
Test of Metal is deemed mostly non-canon due to conflicts with the established continuity, Agents of Artifice is perfectly fine.
Elijah Young
Nicol Bolas can't make planes post mending. He just took advantage of the shit Alara does naturally to get a huge powerboost back to legacy/sort of oldwalker status.
Dominic Miller
Are they at least good at it?
Ryan Perez
The events are canon, but the books themselves come with a whole salt shaker. Liliana and Jace dated, but it's questionable that Tezzeret has insane vertical time manipulation powers and isn't just a really good artificer.
Jason Scott
I will post five of the ones he has made and let you decide how good they are.
