Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

Something like that. Trolls tend to adapt quickly to their surroundings.

he just needs magical bodily excretions

>playing total war:warhammer

>blizzard will never steal those ideas and make Warcraft: Complete Conflict with a shit ton of waifus and low quality gameplay that blizzdrones praise.

Why did the rts have to die?

Runemaster and Necromancer were originally set to be classes, but they got rolled into Death Knight for a hero class.

As for more classes, I could honestly see them going the route of racial single-spec classes that sort of work off of other ones.

Wardens for Nelves that go to the Dreamgrove, Knights for Humans that go to Light's Hope, Mountaineers for Dwarves that go to Trueshot, etc. etc..

The biggest issue was loot distribution becoming skewed, but now with Personal Loot things can change.

>Warcraft 3 Remaster is in the works already

I mean I get your pain but at least there's some recompense.

I always wondered why blizzard never made different classes for different races like the Age of Reckoning.

Players bitched enough when Shaman and Paladins were faction exclusive.

>remaster
It seems like yesterday I was on bnet playing tides of blood.

Now I am thirtysomething,

Honestly, Balance and Age. Old systems couldn't allow for personal loot so they tried making it where each armor class and weapon class was spread equally, so too many people weren't rolling on one piece of gear.

Lore too, since Pally and Shaman were faction locked before TBC, which made numerous issues for PvP Balance since one faction had a plate wearing support tank/healer while the other had a mail wearing mitigation healer.

should have been tides, or starcraft

also, they couldn't add bloodlust until shamans were faction balanced. Imagine the fucking uproar if only Horde raids got it

They're not scourge.
Regards, Bolvar fordragon The Lich King CEO and new owner of Scourge inc. ex-subsidiary of the burning legion.

When do DK and DH interact m8?

>Warcraft 3 Remaster

If a dead body could feel anything, this would be a tickling.

I HAVE SACRIFICED EVERYTHING
WHAT HAVE YOU GIVEN

Playable vrykul fucking when blizzard....

After you bend over and take all 3 inches of metzen's cock

Go be a warlock.
Blood elf girls like hot stuff.

What's cooler brehs, Dwarf or Draenei Shadow Priest?

Trolls were already adaptable, and magic already mutates things.

Stumbling upon Azeroth's leaking magical amniotic fluid only accelerates the process.

Allies had better buffs, and the ability to heal for free if the spell crit rate was decent.
Coupled with the anti fear buff of Dorf priests made ally pve a shitload easier.

I was always a fan of the tieflings, the only alliance race I really liked actually.

Warcraft died with Vanilla wow.
99% of raids/major story developments are just rehashed elements/retconns to allow players to go fight pre existing major lore characters.
But now with WOD/Legion they went and did the ulitmate retconn completely nulifying the point of WC3's awesome story by saying demons cant be killed except in the twisting nether...ok then SO WHY THE FUCK DID MEDIVH COMES BACK THEN THAT LITERALLY MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE.

WOW IS JUST PURE CANCER TO WARCRAFT BECAUSE GAMEPLAY AND THE DESIRE TO CREATE SALES DRIVES BLIZZARD TO SAY FUCK THE LORE.

I mean for fucks sake warcraft's story is such a joke in wow now everything is so over the fucking top its like a soap opera fanfiction of warcraft.

Oh yeah they also forgot the Lich King had the power to fucking look into the future and manipulate events to his favour as what he did to illidan

Just my eternal soul and the peace of the grave.

>WC3 story
>awesome
it's literally the Star Wars prequels with a less faggy protagonist

Personally I really don't like the scale of how things have gotten. It took me days to work out why I wasn't enjoying Legion as much as I wanted to and I think its because I feel like the stakes have gotten too high.

I just want to go back to being a random bumfuck merc investigating Blackrock to find out what happened to Magni's daughter.

You do realize WC3 had demons who were able to resurrect themselves in the form of dreadlords, right? Like, it's directly mentioned.

Fallen hero stories are as old as the dirt user.

Really its an Elric rehash or an inversion of Arthurian myth, with the Prince pulling a sword from the stone and the world turning into shit rather than the golden age of Camelot.

Which I guess is what Old Man Merenthil is referring to in the Wrath cinematic.

I think I've made a lot of sacrifices, you know, I've built buildings, I've hired people, I've made tough decisions.

ah yes, choosing your garrison followers was such a chore

Me too Bro, willingly You died like a champ for a cause you believed in, what happened afterwards you had no say in, what have you actually given?

Vanilla WoW was fine. It expanded on a lot of things and really fleshed out the world. The PC was just some random schmo mercenary getting involved with the conflicts in each zone which were often localised.

Obviously though the biggest flaw is the forced Red V Blue which added Nelves to Alliance and Forsaken to Horde. It was clear that was going to cause big problems for the story, it should never have been Red V Blue. But at least vanilla WoW was a direct continuation of WC3 where it was a bit of a cold war where the factions didn't completely trust each other but put aside their differences because they were dealing with shit on their own turf.

It's not great or anything, but WC3 tells a story from the eyes of the different factions involved in it coherently. It's entertaining and it makes sense. The story obviously had thought put into it and was executed well. Can you say the same for WoW?

Mobility for class fantasea.

>willingly
>"Ayy ho, hol up. So you be sayin' eating demon gibs me dat fel power?"
>smacks lips
>eats fel heart.

>Your will status:
[] Your own
[X] Not your own

>our will is our own
>disregard the demon that inhabits our body

The delusion. Can't wait for papa bolvar to unleash the scourge.

ok i laughed hard.

>Me
>Controls my demon
>You
>Literally owned and brainwashed by a frozen 33% orc corpse

>biggest problem is war in warcraft
Go fuck yourself you worthless little shitcunt.

Demon hunter
Hunter
Warrior

Which should I start leveling next? And which artifact?

Technically speaking they gave their lives fighting the scourge, and then chose to use their forced unlife in continued service of their people . Becoming a DK wasn't a choice, but what they do with it afterwards definitely is.

demon the hedgehunters have only given up any hope of having good taste in anything

>I totally control my demon guys, ignore the horns coming out of my head.

Warrior arms.

this.
The PC DKs choose not to return to the grave but fight on for azeroth.
DHs remain edgy all the time and mope around at the back of the class.

>We have free will!
>LKVoice: YES THEY DO. NOW PURGE THE LIGHT FAGS SCOURGE WARS NOW. BRING ME THAT BODYBAG.

>DK's don't question others on what they've done and just do what they need to do, no bitching involved
>DH's go MUH DEMONS WUT HAV U DUN MUH DEMONS MUH DEMONS MUH SACRIFICE
>Their boss gets kidnapped

When will they learn?!

>DKs tell the LK not to unleash the scourge and they will take care of the demon problem.
>DKs are still on standby in case the scourge is loosed.
>DHs mope around with animu fighting styles and flying on chicken wings with an OC donut steel story that does literally nothing.

DKs are the guy in school who had a traumatic childhood but tries to help their chums even when they are not the most social

DHs are suburban kids who are going through their angsty phase.

>DK
>Doesn't like first boss
>Kills him
>DH
>Doesn't like his first boss
>Preps the adventurers and uses them to kill 4 underlings

DKs are superior because they were the thematic class of an expansion which was arguably the highest point of warcraft in terms of story and lore.

DHs are a last minute abortion made by blizzard and filled with retcons because the MMO model is failing.

>DK
Local metalhead, smells weird and you're sure he's too old for whatever shit he's doing. Nice if you know him
>DH
Local emo.

metalheads are pretty based as far as weird people go, on par with bikers who take it easy.

So do you think Legion will be end or beginning of the end? I mean where can they go from here, without it getting way out of hand?

I'd be curious about the numbers, I imagine there will be a rise over the next couple of months before it starts dropping again. But I might be wrong.

voidlords and close shop.
I'd enjoy if we don't get another xpack and just shitload of content for legion ending in voidlords.

I suspect MMOs are over. There is whatever genre Overwatch and Heroes are which is where I think most people are heading, certainly among the people I hang out with it's what most "Nomies" play at least.

Titans come back somehow and they're really pissed and want to destroy creation. Go stop them, hero. Also, the factions are united under Sylvanas's enlightened leadership, because she the chosen one spoken of in ancient prophecy.

People don't have time anymore, that's why MMOs are dying.
As are all time-consuming things.
Thanks globalism!

actually there seems to be some kind of interest in MMOs of old that are about the RPG parts of MMORPGs.

but yeah, the market is increasingly catering to the less particular gamers since their money is as good as the other.

Is this before or after she and Illidan have fused their minds and souls with Azeroth to form the final ultimate titan?

Except there was always plenty of war in the game. Any sane person fights one war at a time - they don't want to open new fronts if they don't have to. I'm not against Red Vs Blue - I'm against Red Vs Blue that doesn't make any sense.

Might just be our generation growing up and getting work, the late 90s/ early 2000s crowd seem to prefer candy crush and whatever else you get on their phones.
I'm actually having more fun playing on a wrath server and experiencing the old content than I am playing retail. It feels a lot heavier and significant, while current retail feels almost cartoony.

>globalism
>wow was one of the first instances of massively popular virtual spaces where people all over the world mingled.

Man, blizzard secured their place in history eh?

VOID LORDS COMING

>Void lord name is d'roth'zzild

That would rustle my jimmies quite a whole fucking bit

>I'm actually having more fun playing on a wrath server and experiencing the old content than I am playing retail. It feels a lot heavier and significant, while current retail feels almost cartoony.
its because Wrath remains an RPG in terms of world interaction and to a lesser extent class mechanics.

Cataclysm and beyond was when blizzard went full themepark. Instead of azeroth being a living breathing world full of character interactions, it got turned into a bunch of attractions you rush through while levelling before hopping on the raid/PVP train.

>Jeo'or'Soroe

I don't get it.

t. Alexios Jones of infocrusades.epl

Buy his Light Filters (tm) to ensure Fel Corruption isn't getting into your supply.

THE FORSAKEN ARE PUTTING PLAGUE IN OUR WATER.
BUY MY FILTERS

This one is the Rothschilds, and is George Soros. Favorite targets of Alex Jones of InfoWars. Curiously, they seem to have forgotten MINERAL FUSION, which means that while they can filter the VOID, they can't bulk up to prevent it from ever affecting them.

EAT YOUR 100% SCOURGE CERTIFIED BITS TO BECOME UNDEAD AND IMMUNE TO THE OLD GOD CORRUPTION.

COMING UP WE INTERVIEW THE KING OF GILNEAS, GENN GREYMANE, ABOUT HIS UNIQUE APPROACH TO IMMUNITY FROM THE UNDEAD PLAGUE.

AFTERWARDS A SPECIAL REPORT BY GRAND MARSHALL GARATHOS ABOUT THE ELFISH FALSE FLAG ATTACK THAT LEFT US WITHOUT OUR KING AND SERVING AN UNDEAD ELF.

I'm sure this has been discussed before but is there a consensus on Xal'atath's origin?

This quote from Xal'atath is curious....

>"To see Yogg-Saron's nightmare in full bloom fills me with jealousy... and some pride."

Priest order hall says:

>There are many theories concerning the blade‘s creation. The more outlandish claim that it is all that remains of a forgotten Old God who was consumed by its kin in the early days of the Black Empire. Other theories state that Xal'atath is the claw of Y'Shaarj, ripped from the Old God's monstrous form and bestowed upon its servants for use in ritual sacrifices.

If the chronicle is to be believed there should've only ever been four, right? Though I guess there's a chance she really was an Old God but was consumed before the titans came.

They keep flipflopping on the number of Old Gods, I'm sure they'll pull a secret one out of their ass later on. Or the Void Lords will send them down en masse like non-elite mooks.

>old god trash mobs incoming.

>next expac
>after defeating the legion, the skies start to light up
>looks like shooting stars
>suddenly 1000 old gods

Depending on how far Blizzard is trying to tie its universes together with thematic plot points, if we look at Diablo and Tiamat, there might be as many as 7 Old Gods. Though I dislike the Tiamat concept, it might be cool here showing that the Old Gods give no fucks and will fall upon one another given the chance.

>tfw you pop BrainForce™ and DNA Force™ in a raid and top the DPS meters

I'm hoping she really is a dead Old God, it makes my boner that much harder if so. Best dagger waifu is too pure for just some claw bullshit.

Also, while I dislike the thought of Old Gods becoming trash mobs. I admit it would be awesome seeing them rain down in a future expansion. If Blizzard goes that route I hope they reveal it in the cinematic.

I can see at least one Old God crashing into the planet, specifically the supposed hidden landmass on the other side of Azeroth. We'll go there, see new lands (again) and beat up an Old God after finding out how to kill it properly.
>>World of Warcraft: The Stars Are Right

On strange tides maybe, (might already be a thing, is it?), can have a naval/ coastal themed thing with Naga and aquatic goblins and shit.

>other side of the planet infested with Old Gods
>there's still trolls and tauren

>>trolls are STILL we wuz kangs
They should be genocided already.

Garrison-ships. Upgrade your ship, sail it around, fight other players in naval battles.

>tfw you need to choose between building a mage tower or a dwarf tower on your boat to fight the filthy horde and their ship which has a troll tower they stole from the local beach trolls.

>>Alliance gets Chapel of Light
>>Horde gets Oogabooga Dindunuffin Projects

>death knights get to fly Acherus over again

>Archerus
you mean we get back naxx.
>Pros
Naxx
>Cons
We're a democratic state so we all have to vote on what upgrades to get.

"Attention Champion, this is your Warchief, Sylvanas Windrunner. After my last attempt to kidnap a god of a race of people who were minding their own business and had no need or desire to be involved with the conglomerate of various undesirables that is the horde, I have decided to find some new barbarians to harass.

You will take our new ship, Triumph of the Dark Lady, and steal the local Troll variant's Loa. Do this Champion and the Forsaken will triumph... And the rest of the Horde too of course, don't defy me you filthy Troll."