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Really? Odd that I've never noticed that wording before. Oh well, I have the dumb.

Any Blood Angel players who can help me figure out how to expand this collection? With the possibility of Blood Angels getting a decurion, I figured it was time to help my sister actually make a decent list. So I was wondering what models she should buy in the future to expand her army in a way that'll help her now and possibly when the next supplement hits.
She has a Librarian, Astorath, Sanguinor, 2 Death Companies, Jump Chaplain (played as Lemartes), Sanguinary Guard, 20+ Tactical Marines and a Rhino.
I figure she needs more transports, some Dreads and Dante and/or Mephiston, but other than that I have no clue what to recommend to her.

off the top of my head, at least, the warrior/wych elite upgrade uses that term (may be upgraded to true born, changing their battlefield role to elites)

I don't collect either army, but I was really looking forward to the Space Wolf vs Thousand Sons grudge match. I hope that they're just holding on to it to coincide with the HH Inferno release. although I doubt it.

How viable would the new possessed formation, a nurglemace prince and the warpsmith + three land raiders formation be?

Thoughts on my black legion list?

Was 2k points but had to take out mah land rayder formation.

Tried to trick Army builder into doing Traitor's hate stuff?
Nearly pulled it off, too.

finally, a way to field defilers without a bunch of other things

>le ebbin "what good is a combi-weapons" may-may

Based on advice from last thread, here's my updated KT:

SoB KT 200pts

Celestians x5
Flamer
>Specialist - Infiltrate
Heavy Flamer
>Specialist - Exploit Weakness
Superior w/ Bolt Pistol and Chainsword

Dominions x5
Melta x3
>Specialist - Eagle Eye
Melta
>Leader
Veteran Superior w/ Bolter and Bolt Pistol

I went with Celestians because they have Furious Charge, Ld 9, and 2 attacks base for only 5 points more than a battle sisters equivalent.

It's shit. Either the Land Raiders are blowing up transports, in which case they aren't getting the Possessed into combat, or they're getting the Possessed into combat, where they'll be forced to attack transports and promptly get shot to death by the occupants.

Don't worry though, I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell you that the new formations are excellent and you'll be fine.

That's the kind of off the wall bullshit that the Thousand Sons need! How do you feel about having your soul bound to a suit of armor, son?

I want to pick one start collecting box to play some kill team games at LGS and paint the minis with my Age of Smegma paints . Which one should I buy? Tau and Space Wolves seem to be a decent choice with pretty varied miniatures pool in their sets.

1500 pt tourney coming up at my lgs at the end of the month. First one for me. Maybe ITC or Nova rules. Lot's of hard hitters because I live in Virginia. Been getting my ass handed to me by the tau tourney guy at the shop for practice.

1500 Grey Knights with allies

NSF formation:
Brother Captain, psycannon - 170

5 Terminators, hammer, psycannon, meltabombs - 200

1 Dreadknight, greatsword, h. pyscannon, h incinerator, personal teleporter - 225
1 Dreadknight, greatsword, h. pyscannon, h incinerator, personal teleporter - 225

IK Oathsworn Detachment:
1 Knight Warden - 375

Librarius Conclave Formation:
Chief Librarian Tigurius - 165
Librarian, m1, force axe, stormbolter - 70
Librarian, m1, force axe, stormbolter - 70

1500/1500

Idea is to have 4 different units/threats that are hard to kill for the average unit, as well as dish out firepower. Will struggle hardcore vs msu armies on objectives though.

Chaos Space Marines just got an awesome, powerful, and revolutionary new supplement. You should pick them.

Does anyone here use flyers often?
I'd love to use this thing but I doubt many people keep AA handy

tyranids and orks are the 2 strongest armies right now

also their start collecting boxes have the best value

Holy shit, is this stuff actually almost kinda maybe just a little not utter garbage?

...

>Why dont my formations let me kill my opponent with no resistance or obstacles at all waaah

You're right it's not complete and utter garbage. It's still shit that does fuck-all to actually help the faction.

I tried to use my xiphon interceptor a few times, but most people at my shop don't like to play against flyers, so I just keep it around if someone else brings their own flyers.

For casual games it actually looks like it could make it FUN to play CSM for a bit

Nice maymay bro :^)

We went over this. Imagine how stupid you look to ork players right now

>ALL units in the formation get objective secured
neat, but not that neat

>chaos shit talking any army
>when they're celebrating over getting some mediocre formations, including one shitty version of the loyalist ones

its not a meme

they actually are the best kill team armies, and their start collecting boxes do have the best value.

There start collecting boxes do not have the best value.
And eldar still exist, so no, they are not the best kill team army.

>There start collecting boxes do not have the best value.
they do
>And eldar still exist, so no, they are not the best kill team army.
they are better than eldar

Remember, Chaos Space Marines can't have Drop Pods, because that would just make them spikey loyalists.

>Orks - Total: $129.50 with savings of $44.50
>Nids - Total: $133.75 with savings of $48.75
>Tau - Total: $141 with savings of $56
So no

>saves like $50
>not a good value
just keep flinging shit at the wall

im sure itll start sticking sometime

His point is that Tau have a BETTER value than they do.

And in terms of effectiveness, Tau also has a leg up.

>they do
No, that would be skitarii. Who give a saving of 56 dollars, compared to orks 44.5$ and nids 48$. So no. Not best value. By 8$.

Anyone that thinks that getting fucked over by GW is a zero sum game is a retard whose opinion isn't worth noting. GW has more than enough shit to give all the NPC races a good smear.
The free boon every turn working with the roll twice benefit is neat, and should be fun for casual games. It's just a shame that they did fuck all to fix the army's issues and the faction is still fucked on the competitive scene. This release also blows all the formations released with the BL and CS reprints back into utter irrelevance, which is just an extra slap in the face.
Powerful factions like Eldar, Space Marines, Tau, and AdMech getting better formations than shitty factions like Orks and Chaos Space Marines is bullshit, shitposter-kun.

You said BEST VALUE - not GOOD VALUE. Pls stop this cancer, save it for your family or something

not him, but how would orks or nids even deal with a few windriders backed by warp spiders? I mean the speed and maneuverability alone seems disastrous for nids and especially orks?

>claims something has best value
>get proven wrong
>hurr durr it's still a good value.
Nobody said it wasn't a good value mong. But it's certainly not the best value.

unfortunately most of the start collecting boxs have one MC or vehicle you cant use in kill teams

Remember, 30k Marines do get drop pods, because who the fuck wants to play CSM without all the cool loyalist shit?

Nice goalpost shift, shitposter-kun.

>And eldar still exist, so no, they are not the best kill team army.
can't split fire in kill-team, outside of one specialist

Hordes and toolbox units like deathwatch/sternguard are the more useful dudes in kill-team.

Chaos Space Marines already have drop pods in the fluff and there's no thematic reason that they shouldn't have them in-game.

>can't split fire in kill-team, outside of one specialist
Yes, and? Every man for himself is a thing.

by having like 40 models

Actually I would like to play a Nids army but their SCBox looks poorly compared with other boxes. I mean, I want to play for fun and shit so only 3 types of minis? No, thank you

Maybe if Chaos ever had drop pods the model would look less fucking gay than the loyalist one.

I can't be fucked looking at all those photos and the tiny text on my phone. Is there a Death Guard/ Nurgle helpful formation in there?

>csm models
> ever looking better than loyalist equivalents
Yes, stick spikes and weird shit on loyalists models, that looks sooo much better
in all seriousness, there are a few that look better, but for the most part GW design strategy for chaos is that

no cult anything except berserkers

This is a chaos undivided release fag

Honestly the Sons need something. I'd argue that the only reason people like them is what they were like pre-heresy and their paint scheme.

All they do is get jobbed by the Wolves with an unclear recruitment or replenishment method. Magnus is getting rekt by BL and with him gone maybe even Magnus-posting will die out (One can hope). Ahriman is still stuck almost doing something worthwhile I guess, but retcons so who knows.

The Rubric was supposed to be a power up for those that survived it yet theres no sense of how scary it should be to come across one of these guys.

>Yes, and?
It means you can't just apply scatter lasers and death spinners to your problems.

Killteam is far from balanced, but the typical eldar strengths aren't what breaks it.

M80 if I didn't bumlove all the spikes and weird shit I'd play another army.

So how would I turn my Scion Army perfect for HoA kill team into some GW rules would like?

Some people I know would rather play it so yeah :P

I have 2 Scion Squads and a command squad at my disposal with a offico perfectorum commissar aswell

I started playing in 2nd Edition, when Chaos was one faction. Chaos Space Marines, Daemons, and even the Lost and the Damned were all contained in one book. A daemon prince was a true nightmare on the tabletop. Heck, I could even include stuff from Imperial army Codexes for a points cost markup.

My question is this: Is Chaos in a better place now than it was back then? Can they do more? Or are they more limited?

Chaos are absolutely cucked and I'm saying that as a Chaos player.

>Is [army] in a better place now than it was [in 2nd edition]?
no

Chaos overall is in a better place.
Chaos space marines just using the GW stuff, not so much.

HEY

NIGGER

YOUR EMPEROR IS A CORPSE LOL

WHAT ARE GUARDSMEN EVEN FOR IF ANY CHICKENSHIT CHAOS SPAWN CAN KILL HALF OF THEIR REGIMENT LMAO

YOU FUCKING NIGGER CUNT

AAAAAH KURWAAAA XD

One or two threads ago we discussed it, basically here's your list:

Militarum Tempestus Scions

Troops - Scions - 100
2x Plasma Gun

Troops - Scions - 100
2x Plasma Gun

Give your plasma gunners specialist things to make them not die (preferred enemy, master crafted, feel no pain).

You could also run a platoon of them out of the IG book if you really wanted a Tempestor, but having one extra wound, WS 4, Ld 9 may or may not be worth it.

NO DROP PODS
EVER YOU FUCKING SHITPOSTER

I actually like Rubrics but dislike the pre-heresy Thousand Sons/Color Scheme

But then again I like Rubrics so take that for what you will

And guard can have like 60, so I guess they are the best of the best.

>bs2
>t3
>best of the best

depends on what you want from him

If yo have a 5 man team with melta a combi melta is good, to have a better chance to do damage. A Meltabomb might be handy, too and not too expensive.

If you have a 5 man team with a missile launcher in the backfield, ever point for upgrades is wasted, vet-sarge- shooting weapon etc.

If you want a midfield unit to clear out enemy not-so-strong infantry or support your heavier hitters a powermaul might be good, to get some S6 attacks which are useful against vehicles (almost all have rear armor 10). It might also be a good idea to 'intercept' a challenge for an ic especially by a model that hits before the ic does

normally I would suggest to save on points as they wont get into melee with anything where a weapon would make a difference.
Meltabomb is always something to consider, coz cheaps and you get a second grenade attack as its one grenade per unit and per type

Well it's so easy to tie people up in combat in KT that you could have 2 dudes per MEQ and then just focus-fire whoever's open.

>Abimtoo babimtoo le for the emproneh xD

What did he mean by this? Could he mean that he's a fucking cunt and a whore? Could it be possible that Space Marines are the shittiest faction in all fiction? Could he mean that everoyne who likes them is a faggot?

Anybody got the Kill Team rules download? I downloaded it but I can't find the file. Maybe I didn't. I know I had to fuck around with readers to read it...

Any help would be appreciated.

Fuck I only have one plasma gun each in my models eh ill just say one of the hotshot lasguns is a plasma gun.

Just the idea or the execution? Cause honestly I cant think of a single piece of fluff where they 'achieve' something.

Also not shitting on you. Thats just my opinion from talking to 1ksons fans.

>he says
>while defending fucking orks
I2

youtube.com/watch?v=08CPnOxcdn0

fuck Imperium

Stick a priest in that mob. When it comes to tarpitting they really are the best of the best.

>you will never be this buttmad

they are pretty much generic religious knight fanatics.

Just plasma guns not HSVGs? I like the list but I guess plasma is better and less cumbersome than the volley guns

>t4

30 orks would beat the shit out of 60 conscripts

Drop pod would be good. Also Razorbacks as you can easily make them dual use as rhino/RB
Landspeeder/ attack bikes with multimelta
Something that has ranged firepower
vindicator is something to consider, especially for BA due to being fast.

I would refrain from too many HQ units. Maybe get a cheap librarian with jumppack

If you want, try converting extra plasma guns out of the plasma pistols and grenade launchers.

You could also justify using HSVGs if you make the guy Relentless, since then he's got a 4 shot AP 3 bolter, which is nice.

orks have T4, which is relevant in 200 point games

that said, guard have way more variety

I love the idea of ultra-powerful sorcerers using the souls of their dead kin as golem bodyguards. I also like the pre-Heresy Sons. It's a shame that the one is absolute garbage and the other doesn't exist yet.

Yeah, you're getting the same number of shots (since you're on the move all the time in KT) with better strength. As I said inthough, you could make the case for an HSVG as your Relentless specialist.

>plasma guns with PE
>not volley guns with relentless
You do remember that 3+ is as low as armor saves can go, right?

Holy fuck, Poland, calm down. God damn.

How obsessive do you get with making your own character models? Do you just use GW's kits or modify them? Do you make your own?
I've kit bashed a full libbie conclave, three techmarines, and am going to end up doing a few more librarians for the deathwatch because I just have so many parts for them

BLUEEERGLEEEH

A

FUCKING

FLASHLIGHT

A FUCKING FLASHLIGHT ISSUED TO SOLDIERS AS A WEAPON

IT'S UNIRONICALLY

A

FUCKING

PIECE OF SHIT

FLASHLIGHT

IMPERIUM TOO POOR TO AFFORD GUNS

AAAAAAH FUCK

In the previous thread, someone was talking about running Crimson Slaughter with the Traitor's hate Possessed Detachment (1 Daemon Prince + 3-5 Possessed), and then taking Malefic Daemonology to give the Possessed 2++ (3++ from one of the Possessed mutations which you get automatically, then Cursed Earth).
As long as you bear in mind that the effect of the formation happens in the Fight sub-phase, (meaning no beast movement UNLESS you roll that mutation in the movement phase anyway), it works. It's probably a better idea to make the Daemon Prince a psyker for Daemonology instead of taking a sorcerer for it; it saves points, and the possessed have to be within 12" of the DP for the formation to work anyway.

This is assuming you can field any formation with a Daemon Prince in it as Crimson Slaughter in the first place, as it's contentious as to whether or not you can - on one hand, Renegades of the Dark Millenium says "No Models *can have* VotLW", and Daemon Princes/every special character (also Thousand Sons, but nobody mentions them because they're so bad nobody cares just kill me now) come with it; on the other hand Daemonheart specifically says that it can't be taken by Daemon Princes, which would only make sense if you could take DP's in a Crimson Slaughter force anyway.
It's a grey enough area that you could argue for it with good grounds, in my opinion, and only the most anal cunts would throw a fit over it in the first place.
Though having said that, if you're fielding 2++ possessed, you may want to be ready for some grumbling from your opponent, in either a tournament or casual setting.
I reckon the formation is balanced though, even with Cursed Earth shenanigans. It relies on positioning, Possessed have no grenades, are expensive, are strictly a close combat unit, and you can always just shoot the fucking daemon prince anyway, same way you deal with Tyranid synapse.
TL;DR Crimson Slaughter + Traitor's Hate Possessed Formation + Cursed Earth = Probably Yes

It's the slav shitposter doing his new gimmick, just report and ignore.

I don't have the rules for KT, but is it possible to take Priests or Pyskers? If they could get that Rending power thing, it'd be neat.

And even with the HSVG's S4 you wound MEQs on a 4+, and can't even glance their Rhino except from the back.